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I, Extremist – Culture

As part of my continuing examination of my extremism – because Janet Napolitano believes that as a conservative pro-life low-tax second-and-tenth-amendment activist, I must be an extremist – let’s look at our culture.

“Culture” is a huge topic, and it’s hard to even define where the left and right diverge, or on what each side actually believes, to say nothing of what their opponents believe.

For example, one of the putative big battles in the “culture war” twenty years ago was the campaign by Tipper Gore, wife of then-future lisping fraud and Vice President Algore, to put warnings on music that had “offensive” lyrics.   Was it conservative?  Was it liberal?

Perhaps a little bit of both – and who cares?  Because while that particular argument, like many, mixed elements of both sides of the aisle – conservatives fretting about the downfall of civilization, liberals  about the system that’d make young males write the kind of rap and metal lyrics that’d make them be so antisocial in the first place – it was fairly irrelevant.

Because while there are many facets to what both conservatives and liberals believe what our culture is, and what is should be, it really boils down to two major differences of opinion:

  • Conservatives believe that our society is a free association of equals who create a government that governs by consent of the people, and should generally operate within restrictive boundaries – the Tenth Amendment, for a quick example.  Liberals believe that society is – I’ve heard an amazing number of liberals use this exact description – a parent, riding herd on his/her unruly or needy children, trying to help them grow up to be good citizens, kissing their owwies and putting them in time-out and keeping them out of trouble until they’re ready to take over for themselves.
  • Conservatives believe that while mankind is deeply imperfect and utterly imperfectible, the concept of the United States is in and of itself one of immense nobility; it is a “shining city on a hill”, a place where government is a useful subordinate to the nobility of the individual.  It’s an ideal toward which most of the world – the sane part – aspires.   Liberals tend to believe that our society is perfectible, through the graces of a benevolent government rather than any intrinsic virtue in the American system.

Now, the battle is usually expressed through an endless series of group ad homina; liberals slur “Tenthers” as advocates of slavery; conservatives see liberals as hive creatures, Borg with no identity outside the larger organism.

At any rate – I believe that America works best when we not only do see ourselves as a free association of equals, but act like it.  And when government limits itself, rather than  you or me.

Yep.  I’m a radical!


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13 responses to “I, Extremist – Culture”

  1. mnbubba Avatar
    mnbubba

    I think the “candy store” attitude is far more prevalent among those that are already here than it is among newcomers.

  2. mnbubba Avatar
    mnbubba

    The above remark was offered in comment to an earlier version of this piece and (it should be obvious) is no longer on point. AFAIK, there is no way I can withdraw it.

  3. K-Rod Avatar

    She also called for “the continued need for vigilance against… ideologies… , so that we can recognize their signs in our communities and stand together to defeat them.”

    Mitch, you have an opposing “ideology”. Will JanNap organize your community to defeat you?

    http://stark-raving-sane-dont-go-in.blogspot.com/2010/04/napolitanos-call-to-war-against.html

    “Don’t worry, Mitch, I got your back.”

  4. DiscordianStooj Avatar

    krod, have you ever quoted someone honestly? Ellipses are used to remove irrelevant information. I’d say the word “violent” in that quote is relevant, especially considering that in your post you agreed that everyone is against violent ideologies.

    You managed to take a quote you agreed with, remove one word, and turn it into something different to make an irrelevant point.

    That’s what you claim liberals do, krod.

  5. Mitch Berg Avatar
    Mitch Berg

    I’d say the word “violent” in that quote is relevant, especially considering that in your post you agreed that everyone is against violent ideologies.

    While you’re right about ellipses, Krod is right that DG is using a very dubious form of guilt by association – selectively finding groups that are…well, not even violent, for the most part, so much as radical-sounding, and applying broadly to conservative dissent from Obama.

    Leaving out the “violent” was a misuse of ellipsis, but in point of fact didn’t end up making his statement inaccurate, given the background.

  6. K-Rod Avatar

    “krod, have you ever quoted someone…”

    Yes. Words have meaning. Maybe those that I quote should have held their tongue. Janet Napolitano should not have incited communities to to defeat neighbors that have different ideologies. While I welcome others with different ideologies, I abhor violence as a means. Please do NOT confuse ideology with violent actions.

    ….

    Mitch, that wasn’t a quote from DG spewing left wing talking points. I understand how someone might expect it from DG, but I was quoting the head of HomeLandSecurity. Oy vey!!!

  7. DiscordianStooj Avatar

    All that quote says is we should be looking out for violent groups. Like how we look for radical Muslim groups looking to do harm here and abroad, without saying all Muslims are planning to attack America.

  8. nate Avatar
    nate

    Good analysis, Mitch. Liberal’s “kids” model is intrusive and offensive in precisely the same way as a Mother who can’t cut the apron strings. You’ll Always Be My Baby is government’s justification for tyranny.

  9. swiftee Avatar
    swiftee

    stool demanding honesty…tee hee! He make teh funny!

  10. Mitch Berg Avatar
    Mitch Berg

    All that quote says is we should be looking out for violent groups.

    Right. Like people who criticize the government. Like Tea Partiers, Second Amendment supporters, Tenthers, pro-lifers…

    The Administration takes great (and often justifiable) pains to distinguish between Islam and terrorism; it is currently taking great pains to do just the opposite with their peaceful domestic political opposition.

    Democrats: Don’t change the subject.

  11. DiscordianStooj Avatar

    So Tea Partiers, 2nd Amend. supporters (like me), Tenthers and pro-lifers are being … what? Arrested? Infiltrated? Censored? Talked about in an unkind manner?

    What has Napolitano done to non-violent groups like the ones you mention?

    krod, you are lying. Napolitano did not say “different” or “opposing” ideologies. Unless you have a different quote to show us.

  12. Mitch Berg Avatar
    Mitch Berg

    So Tea Partiers, 2nd Amend. supporters (like me), Tenthers and pro-lifers are being … what? Arrested? Infiltrated? Censored? Talked about in an unkind manner?

    The Administration said that being a dissenter from the government warranted watching, as it made one susceptible to committing violence – a message reiterated by Bill Clinton and Betty McCollum this past week.

    What has Napolitano done to non-violent groups like the ones you mention?

    Said that they were susceptible, due to their beliefs, to not being non-violent.

    Which is a whole lot more than anyone said about or did to Liberals for them to have spent the past eight years whining about their patriotism being impugned.

  13. K-Rod Avatar

    Swiftee, you are right; Stool is that dense.

    Stool, you don’t really think JanNap was taking about defeating her own ideology, do you?

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