Shot in the Dark

Dog Prays For Man

I was going to write about this bit here – about local gay Catholic groups complaining about Archbishop Nienstedt’s cracking down on LGBT services at a liberal local parish.

Brian “Saint Paul” Ward, however, beat me to it with a huge headstart pointing out correctly that…:

To put it in terms a journalism school graduate might appreciate, the Catholic Church not hosting a Gay Pride event is dog bites man. It happens every day.

Now, a Catholic parish hosting these events, as apparently St. Joan of Arc in Minneapolis has been doing so for the past several years, is man bites dog (i.e., an unusual, infrequent event more likely to be reported as news than an ordinary, everyday occurrence).

Reasonably speaking, that is what should have been covered the past few years. Maybe some shock headlines, “Catholic Parish Hosting Gay Pride Event” followed by quotes from founders of obscure pressure groups for traditional values accusing the organizers of spiritual violence and Christophobic hatred.

Of course, the local agenda-media coverage – Grow at the MNPost, Andy Birkey in the Minnesoros Monitor “Independent” – took the “man biting dog” angle with dreary predictability and impeccable punctuality.

…the most thoroughly dishonest portrayal comes from the new media. Here are excerpts from Doug Grow at the website MinnPost.

Remember when it was OK for Catholics to pray with gays and lesbians?

Be careful whom you pray for…Apparently with a straight face, McGrath said that this isn’t some new crackdown because Archbishop John Nienstedt is now in charge. Recently retired Archibishop Harry Flynn would have cracked down on this, too, had he known of it, McGrath said. Maybe…Many are saddened and angry ? but probably not surprised.

There’s got to be an award for reporting this awful. (A Pulitzer maybe?) Of course, this dispute has absolutely nothing to do with who you pray with or who you pray for. The Church encourages gay activists to attend Mass (sans sacraments, as with anyone in a state of mortal sin) and practically requires Catholics to pray for all those in mortal sin. At his age and experience, Grow should know this. In fact, comments testifying to these facts were in the article he linked to. But he ignores that, misrepresents the issue entirely, questions the integrity of the Church spokesman, and casts his favored actors as oppressed victims. Not bad for a couple of paragraph’s work.

The big question:  When did Doug Grow turn into Nick Coleman?

Grow is a former columnist for the Star Tribune. The only silver lining here is realizing he’s now at an online liberal ghetto like MinnPost, instead of working the monopoly newspaper in town. His ability to confuse the issue and demonize his political enemies in the public’s imagination is now severely limited. Let’s be thankful for small favors.

Andy Birkey?  This is your future!


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27 responses to “Dog Prays For Man”

  1. Badda Avatar

    Catholicism in particular is a subject journalists generally know nothing about, yet they willingly and ignorantly comment on the subject.

    A while ago I commented on a Yahoo! article about what they described as “new” sins in the Catholic church. The author used the article to demonstrate that either he had a dim grasp of sin and reconciliation or that he simply couldn’t write well about it.

  2. Mitch Berg Avatar
    Mitch Berg

    Catholicism in particular is a subject journalists generally know nothing about,

    The mainstream media is pretty fuzzy on faith in general. There are exceptions – Russert was Catholic, I know a few others who are notably Catholic, Protestant or Jewish. They tend not to be the ones writing stories involving religion.

  3. Chuck Avatar
    Chuck

    Not to be overly dramatic, but it really boils down to anti-Catholic bigotry. Go to the comments section of the Star-Tribune story for examples of this.

  4. nerdbert Avatar
    nerdbert

    Any institution with an established set of morals is discreditable in the eyes of the MSM and Leftists in general, especially if those morals are based on absolutes. Thus, Christians in general but especially the Catholic faith are abhorred, and only the Unitarians, who believe in nothing, are mildly acceptable (although Dean left them because he didn’t like their policy on a bike path).

  5. Yossarian Avatar

    and only the Unitarians, who believe in nothing

    HEY!

  6. swiftee Avatar
    swiftee

    Actually, as I understand it the Unitarians believe in everything.

    It’s the McChurch of religions.

  7. Mr. D Avatar

    I expect Grow and Coleman to bash the Church, but the real target is the new Archbishop, John Nienstedt. They’ve been setting Nienstedt up as this bete noire ever since he was named to succeed Harry Flynn. St. Joan of Arc has been a de facto protestant church for a long time now and Flynn (and John Roach before him) let them get by with it. So far, Nienstedt hasn’t backed down. We’ll see what happens.

  8. Mitch Berg Avatar
    Mitch Berg

    St. Joan of Arc has been a de facto protestant church for a long time now

    Uh, let’s hold on a minute.

    Let’s not be using “Protestant” as a synonym for “fashionably liberal”. For starters, I doubt you’ll find many Missouri Synod Lutherans or Southern Baptists sympathizing with the JoanOfArcians.  Even “liberal” denominations are hardly any more agreed on social issues than the Catholics are; Presbyterians rejected (at a congregational level, where the conservatives are) many of the more over-the-top temporal social initiatives (gay marriage, divestment from Israel) of the General Assembly (where the liberals are).  Other “liberal” Protestant denominations are duking it out just as angrily; the Episcopals will likely wind up fragmented over the ecclesiastical approach to temporal social issues, for example.

    While the staff at Joan of Arc seems to differ with the Catholic hierarchy on GLBT issues, it’d seem they want to ditch the whole “homosexuality (and abortion) is a sin” bit and keep all the other Catholic-y stuff; I see no sense that they’ve rejected the concept of the theological authority of the papacy (although they seem fine flouting it on selected issues) or come anywhere close to embracing any of the other theological tenets of Protestantism.

  9. Badda Avatar

    Just go ask my friend Mitchell at Our Word about Joan of Arc.

    hadleyblog (dot) blogspot (dot) com

    …tell him I sent you. He’s familiar with this stuff.

  10. Mitch Berg Avatar
    Mitch Berg

    It’s the McChurch of religions.

    I’m generally loath to bag on other faiths, since I know it’s a very emotionally loaded issue, and I get pissed when people do it from an uninformed perspective to my own (I’m Presbyterian).

    However, I always loved “The Unitarian Lord’s Prayer”:

    “Whoever,
    whereever,
    whatever,
    whenever.
    Amen.”

  11. swiftee Avatar
    swiftee

    “it’d seem they want to ditch the whole “homosexuality (and abortion) is a sin” bit and keep all the other Catholic-y stuff; I see no sense that they’ve rejected the concept of the theological authority of the papacy (although they seem fine flouting it on selected issues) or come anywhere close to embracing any of the other theological tenets of Protestantism.”

    Actually, the Arc-ers continually harp on the authority of the Church from the Pope to the parish priest (It’s a patriarchy Mitch, what’dya think they’d do?). That’s why they created a “pastorial council” to run the parish their way.

    They also hold lay “healing ceremonies” inside the church, and practise “Eco-spiritualism” which goes straight past Protestantism, and does not collect $200 on its way to paganism.

    Hopefully, St. Stephens will get the Archbishop’s notice next and then on to Pax Christi.

  12. Master of None Avatar
    Master of None

    Garrison Keillor (spit), had a joke along those lines about a quilt that was hung in a Sunday school room that said “Somebody or Something Loves Me”.

  13. Mr. D Avatar

    Point taken, Mitch. Would you prefer “heretical?” That would work, too.

  14. Mr. D Avatar

    One other thing, Mitch. Catholic also means “whole” and to the extent that St. Joan ignores Church teachings on any number of core issues, I have great difficulty saying that they are Catholic in the sense that I, as a lifelong Catholic, understand the term. “Catholic-y” isn’t Catholic. And please understand – I don’t mean to imply that they are in concert with Protestant teaching; they wouldn’t last five minutes in a WELS church.

  15. Mitch Berg Avatar
    Mitch Berg

    Messrs. D and Swiftee,

    Points taken. (“Eco-spiritualism”? Ew).

    Although I reject the premise that Protestantism is a midpoint on a continuum between Catholicism and paganism (and so, it would seem, would John Paul II, having declared that salvation can come from many sources), I agree. Joan of Arc should either substantiate or get off the pot; break with Rome formally, or toe the line.

  16. Chuck Avatar
    Chuck

    The old saying is that India is the world’s most religous nation, Sweden the most secular, so the US is a nation of Indians ruled by Swedes.

    I say many liberal protestant churches are made up of Indians and run by Swedes. It’s amazing how liberal the upper managment is of many large denominations, while the individual members are quite traditional. And clueless to what goes on in the upper branches of their organizations.

  17. Mitch Berg Avatar
    Mitch Berg

    D,

    One other thing, Mitch. Catholic also means “whole”

    True – although to my understanding that is usually the lower-case “c” version of the word (as used in the Presbyberians’ confession of faith; “I believe in the holy catholic church, the communion of the saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body and the life everlasting”).

    and to the extent that St. Joan ignores Church teachings on any number of core issues, I have great difficulty saying that they are Catholic in the sense that I, as a lifelong Catholic, understand the term. “Catholic-y” isn’t Catholic.

    And there, I agree. I’m continually amazed at Catholic (catholic? “Catholic”? catholic-y? Catholite? Catholoid?) churches that piddle on the Catholic Church’s teachings, hierarchy, authority and tradition – since tradition, teachings and authority are such integral parts of Catholicism – and yet cling to the label. Why?

    And please understand – I don’t mean to imply that they are in concert with Protestant teaching; they wouldn’t last five minutes in a WELS church.

    And there’s a question; where WOULD they last? Hearing what I have about St. Joan’s, it almost sounds like they really are Unitarians with incense.

  18. Mr. D Avatar

    The Presbyterian confession of faith is quite similar to the Nicene Creed.

    In truth, Mitch, traditional Protestants and Catholics believe many of the same things. The two main differences I see are the primacy of the Pope and the whole notion of justification by faith alone. I accept that Protestants and Catholics aren’t likely to agree on these issues in my lifetime, but I pray that someday we’ll get closer. And I believe that a merciful God will someday give us the wisdom to sort these things out. I know many, many Protestants of good faith who hope for the same things; many are my friends and neighbors.

    I can’t answer the why question you pose in re St. Joan’s. Guess they dig rituals.

  19. swiftee Avatar
    swiftee

    “Protestantism is a midpoint on a continuum between Catholicism and paganism..”

    Too late, Mitch. The die is cast, you’re going to Hell and we’re all going to that big shooting range in the sky, where the ammo never runs out , our barrels never overheat and every shot is a bulls eye. 😉

  20. swiftee Avatar
    swiftee

    Alright, alright. I kid…I’m a kidder.

  21. Mitch Berg Avatar
    Mitch Berg

    I accept that Protestants and Catholics aren’t likely to agree on these issues in my lifetime, but I pray that someday we’ll get closer.

    That’s one of the things I loved about John Paul II, FWIW.

  22. Mitch Berg Avatar
    Mitch Berg

    The Presbyterian confession of faith is quite similar to the Nicene Creed.

    (Shakes head, chagrinned at the flub)

  23. Mr. D Avatar

    We are all very fortunate to have lived during the time of JPII, good sir. And what the similarities between the two creeds just goes to show that we aren’t that far apart, as my Presbyterian sister always reminds me.

  24. Terry Avatar
    Terry

    I think the small-c catholic in the Nicene creed is meant to recall that the church is the body of Christ and so it is one and indivisible.
    Historically the Nicene creed was written, in part, to make a clear division between the nature of Christ as held by the followers of Constantine and the followers of Arius.

  25. Terry Avatar
    Terry

    One last comment:
    The Catholic Church and Lutherans have been holding talks on reunification for decades. The sticking point has never been woman in the clergy, acceptance of the homosexual lifestyle, or ‘eco-spiritualism’. It has been justification by faith alone.
    Which makes me proud to be a member of the LCMS.

  26. Mitch Berg Avatar
    Mitch Berg

    The Catholic Church and Lutherans have been holding talks on reunification for decades.

    As opposed to the Catholic and Eastern Orthodox, who’ve been holding talks on reunification for (if memory serves) 931 years.

  27. Mr. D Avatar

    Terry, you are correct. The sticking point is justification by faith. And it probably will be for the foreseeable future. I do hope that all Christians will continue to work together, though.

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