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The New Poll Tax

The Anoka County Sheriff’s office has announced, to some fanfare, that they are lowering the fee for carry permits from $75 to $10 for people on active duty in the military.

Which, on the one hand, is great.

But then I had two thoughts:

Rights:  I support our military – especially their right to not be as undefended as a pack of hamsters when not covered by Rules of Engagement overseas.

But are they more entitled to their civil rights and liberties than the rest of us?  Should government be deciding which citizens have easier access to their Second Amendment rights, any moreso than one’s First, Fourth, Fifth or Fourteenth Amendment rights?

This is, in a way, a throwback to the bad old days, pre-2003, when a law-abiding citizens’a access to their Second Amendment rights – their ability to get a carry permit – was directly related to their clout and access to local government officials. It’s more benign, of course – it’s the same shall-issue policy once the fee is out of the way – but $10 is easier to cover than $75, no matter who you are.

That’s the danger when government gets into the business of doling out our freedoms to us instead of us doling its power out to it; it starts picking winners and losers.  And that’s what this is, even if we generally support this particular group of winners.

The Sheriff’s Nest Egg:  Sheriffs charge a wide range of fees around the state; Ramsey County is up around $100, along with most of the other Metro counties, if I recall correctly; others are much cheaper.

But the fee covers the cost of a department employee taking an application (which the applicant fills out), filing it, and at some point entering the applicant’s data into one or more databases to see if there’s a disqualifying hit.  Then the state prints and mails a card.

What’s the actual cost of this process, in terms of government time and materials?  Estimates vary – law enforcement is pretty tight-lipped about it – but it’s somewhere between $5 and $20.  And I’m no expert, but I’d say Anoka County has just given us a “tell” about the actual cost.

Which means plenty of Minnesota counties are putting away huge nest eggs of carry permit application fee money.   It’s become a tax on law-abiding citizens exercising their tights – not much different than the poll taxes that got ruled out of existence decades ago.

Congrats, Anoka County servicepeople, and enjoy your new benefit in good health.

But think about it, everyone.


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13 responses to “The New Poll Tax”

  1. Dave Thul Avatar

    You could make an argument that servicemembers are more likely to be an easy background check, since they have already been given a deep background check on joining the military.

    Or maybe Anoka is just coming to the correct conclusion that more trained, armed citizens means less violent crime for cops to respond to.

  2. bosshoss429 Avatar
    bosshoss429

    Mitch, I understand your thinking on this, but as a veteran, I would like to throw these thoughts out.

    We all know that our military does get a boatload of benefits, yet their actual pay is a disgrace when compared to even the lowest level of other government employees. A janitor at the VA for instance, gets the same benefits and can’t get fired, has a starting pay level of about $22,000. Compare this to a slick sleeve private, that may get shot at or worse during his first year of service, which, last time I checked, is about $17,000.

    Further, as we have seen over the past couple of years, many service members that have returned from a combat area, may be arbitrarily put on a do not issue list and banned from even purchasing so much as a pellet gun.

    I don’t begrudge them the discount.

  3. bosshoss429 Avatar
    bosshoss429

    OK. Quick correction.

    Did a quick check on the base pay thing. Starting custodians employed by the US gubmint is only about $100 more per year than a private.

    But, for all of the other variables, I’m still OK with the 10 bucks.

  4. Seflores Avatar
    Seflores

    Now that we know, somewhat, how much of a discount off list price they can offer, do you think it’s possible Anoka Co could do other promo’s like Ladies Night (and the feeling’s right) or Twin’s related promo – two permits for the price of one whenever the Twin’s win a home game?

  5. Mitch Berg Avatar
    Mitch Berg

    I don’t begrudge servicepeople any benefits.

    But civil rights aren’t “benefits”; they’re endowments from our creator. Even the creator of non-servicepeople.

  6. justplainangry Avatar
    justplainangry

    If goobernment were a private entity they could offer discounts, etc. Since they are not, they are discriminating and run afoul of equality before the law clause. Should armed forces personnel be treated on an equal footing with vile creatures at EPA, IRS, Ed and the rest of the swamp? – absolutely!

  7. SmithStCrx Avatar
    SmithStCrx

    I tend to take a lot of heat from other republicans whenever I oppose treating veterans differently than non-veterans. I’m with you Mitch on charging the same filing fee for permits. I also think the DNR shouldn’t have special rates and times for veterans to hunt and fish. I think everyone should pay a flat rate income tax and not exempt military pensions.
    Now, you want to talk active duty pay, ROEs and the like, that’s a separate conversation I’m up for. It’s also an issue for your Congressman, not your County Sheriff.

  8. DMA Avatar
    DMA

    This is exactly how democrats think. We could have charged you $100 but we’re only gonna take $10. It’s like we’re giving you $90. You’re welcome.

  9. DMA Avatar
    DMA

    I was going to steal your wallet but I decided not to. You are $200 richer because of me. You’re welcome.

  10. bikebubba Avatar
    bikebubba

    If we really valued the lives of veterans, we’d make carry permits cheaper for everyone. Think about it; isn’t the safety benefit worth it?

  11. Brad Avatar
    Brad

    The most important thing here is that the law – MN 624.714 Subd. 21 – does not allow for any special treatment of classes of citizens. The sheriff may only charge the costs of processing the permit. These costs are essentially identical for all applicants as the process and steps are the same.

    Civil rights are for everyone, and if fees are associated, they legally must be equal for all.

  12. Troy Avatar
    Troy

    If you want to benefit veterans, give something to all veterans, not just the ones who can and want to get carry permits. In my mind, that would reduce complexity and increase fairness.

  13. bikebubba Avatar
    bikebubba

    wow…..Brad’s point suggests that we might do some digging and get sheriffs to drop fees very quickly.

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