Shot in the Dark

Black And White And Green And More Black

Doug Grow – DFL stenographer and reporter for the Joyce-Foundation-supported MinnPost – is convinced that the GOP is lying about the effects of the Warehouse Tax.

Exhibit A?

Grow writes about the Red Wing Shoes’ opting out of building a new distribution center in Red Wing; it’s something we wrote about here in SITD a few weeks ago.  

According to Grow, the GOP’s line is wrong because the executives involved didn’t step out on stage and burn an effigy of Tom Bakk as the cameras rolled. 

Business Is Hard:No, really; asked if the tax was the sole reason Red Wing Shoes deferred its expansion…:

Sachen couldn’t say that it necessarily would have.

Would the project definitely go ahead if the tax were eliminated?

Sachen couldn’t say that was necessarily the case, either.

He did say that the company, which has a facility in Potosi, Mo., is “in talks with Potosi.” But again, he wouldn’t say that there’s a direct link between the tax and the warehouse project.

Who’da thunk it; a businessman whose business depends, on a certain extent, on not pointlessly pissing people off over politics in this rent-seeking environment, gave an honest answer; there are many reasons that a company does or does not go ahead with an expansion.

Which on the one hand means there’s not a smoking gun hovering over “jobs that won’t be created” leading back to the DFL’s Warehouse Tax (point for Grow).  And on the other hand, it means that there never will be that smoking gun. (Take a point away from Grow). 

By the way – Democrats get hurt when conservatives say they don’t understand economics or business.  Reading this next bit, one would have to say “hurt” is probably less appropriate than “chastened”:

Additionally, it should be noted that the Red Wing Shoes warehouse wouldn’t create jobs — other than construction ones in building the warehouse. Rather, it would allow Red Wing to consolidate its current the five warehouses into one facility. Those warehouses, by the way, employ about 80 people, a number that would not increase with a new warehouse.

Er, yeah. 

Making the business – and the efforts of those 80 existing warehouse workers – more efficent gives the business more profit.  Which gets used to hire more people, design more shoes, improve existing products…heck, even just make staying in Minnesota more tenable.  Which means those 80 warehouse jobs stand less risk of becoming 40, or 20, or 0 warehouse jobs. 

It’d also speak to the long-term commitment on Red Wing’s part to keep those jobs in Red Wing, rather than someplace else. 

Leave The Gotchas To The Comedians: Of course, it’s not just Doug Grow.  Dave Mindeman of mnpAct thinks he’s got the DFL Warehouse Tax’s MNGOP critics over a barrel:

In addition, Rep. Garofalo apparently missed the June 28th Star Tribune clarification on where the tax actually applies…..

Myron Frans, state revenue commissioner, said Dayton has asked him to study the issue, and he has spoken with Red Wing officials about their concerns. He said the tax only applies when the producer or manufacturer purchases warehouse or storage services from another firm.

Garofalo offered no other examples of a potential problem. Thus the Red Wing Shoe factory will NOT be affected by this tax.

In other words, Rep. Pat Garofalo is, as usual, making it up.

And Mindeman deigns to condescdend:

I would hope this legislator will someday learn to get the facts right before making another condescending statement of inaccuracy.

Um, yeah.

Garofalo has actually worked in the private sector.  I know this because we worked for the same company, once upon a time; it was he that actually introduced me to the Drudge Report back when we were both minions at a local Fortune 500.

And he knows – as all of us who work in the private sector and pay attention to things do – that businesses rarely make decisions based on single factors, or on short-term stimuli.  Running a significant brick-and-mortar business (shaddap, consultants) is the ultimate long bet; it involves considering everything; access to the needed workforce, communications, supply chain, price to get product to market, taxes…

…and long-term outlook. 

Red Wing – and Laurence Transportation in Red Wing, who also held off on a warehouse expansion that will be directly affected by the DFL’s Warehouse Tax – is betting against Minnesota in the long term, given the way the climate looks now.

And since Mindeman wants to play the “they curiously ignored a Strib article” game, it’d seem he missed one too; Navarre is up and moving to Texas.  It warehouses products – providing the “value add” that the state is taxing – and also works in e-commerce, which is getting slapped by the DFL’s Amazon Tax. 

So it’s gone:

That was the first time the 30-year-old Minnesota firm had said publicly that it planned to move not just some of its warehousing operations but also its headquarters to the site of its recently acquired Speed FC e-commerce operation based in Texas. Navarre acquired Speed FC Inc. last November for $50 million in cash and stock.

Was it just the DFL’s Warehouse Tax?  Or the DFL’s Amazon Tax?

No.  But both of them, and other changes to the state’s business tax code, had to look ugly to a business that’s already losing money – money that will probably be made up by consolidating operations in a lower-tax locale alone. 

If you’re one of the almost 300 employees being pink-slipped, do you think it makes a difference?

They Also Think Penelope Garcia Is Like A Real Investigator: Back to Grow’s column, where in a quote of Governor Dayton’s chief of staff Bob Hume, he shows that…:

  • he is aiming his piece at economic low-information voters, or…
  • …he’s an economic low-information voter himself:

Hume is commenting on Garofalo’s call for a special session to get rid of the tax.  If you work in the  private sector, see if you can spot the clinker:

Bob Hume, the governor’s deputy chief of staff, made it clear that a special session is not in the offing.

“This is a stunt, not a solution,” Hume said in a statement. “The Legislature is coming back more than a month before this tax would take effect, which is more than enough time, if revenues permit, to review and possibly revise this tax.”

A whole month?  To make a decision affecting the profitability, well-being or survival of a business?

These decisions get made based on long-term outlook.

And while the state’s long-term outlook is subject to debate, let’s remember that when the DFL-shilling media says things like…:

To date, though, the Minnesota economy is humming at a far healthier rate than the economies in such business-friendly states such as Wisconsin and South Dakota.

…that the economy still largely reflects Republican policy, set when the state had responsible two-party rule (shaddap about Ventura) between 2002 and 2012.   The DFL’s tax and spend orgy still hasn’t largely gone into effect; even the first of the taxes have been wending their way through the process for about a week now, and the worst is yet to come.

Get back to us in a year. 

Around election time, preferably.

Comments

36 responses to “Black And White And Green And More Black”

  1. Dave Mindeman Avatar

    Your quote…”And he knows – as all of us who work in the private sector and pay attention to things do – that businesses rarely make decisions based on single factors, or on short-term stimuli.”
    So why, oh why, do Republicans think this a tax is so onerous that they need to call a special session? Frankly, I agree that this tax will probably go away. I disagree with the way Bakk put it into the bill. But these ridiculous publicity stunts that come from the GOP are just plain bunk.

  2. justplainangry Avatar
    justplainangry

    So it is not a ridiculous publicity stunt the way it was added and passed in the bill to gin up budget balance, but it is a ridiculous publicity stunt to call a special session to remove this tax that frankly will probably go away anyway? Am I the only one seeing hypocrisy and doublespeak in above thinking?

  3. Dave Mindeman Avatar

    And as for Navarre – they warehouse their own products for end distribution. They also would NOT have been affected by the tax. And the article you linked to offered little evidence that the warehouse tax was even part of the final consideration.

  4. Mitch Berg Avatar
    Mitch Berg

    Sorry, Dave. Check the article again.

    Or the website (http://navarre.com/). They’re a logistics company; they provide a brick-and-mortar distribution hub for other peoples’ products. That is exactly what the DFL’s Warehouse Tax is aimed at.

    Not saying Navarre is moving directly because of the DFL Warehouse Tax, but I’ll lay odds it was a straw that broke the camel’s back got them calling U-Haul.

    And I know of at least one other good-sized retailer that stores things that’s pondering moving. Again – not the only reason, but taking 6.5% off the “value add” – which is also known as “the company’s top line” – is a catastrophic hit in a tough economy and a market that’s got tight margins in the best of times.

  5. Mitch Berg Avatar
    Mitch Berg

    So why, oh why, do Republicans think this a tax is so onerous that they need to call a special session?

    Because it’d draw the peoples’ attention to the fact that the Dayton/DFL tax orgy is causing problems?

    But these ridiculous publicity stunts that come from the GOP are just plain bunk.

    You’re right. The minority should just shut up and wait quietly for the next election.

  6. Dave Mindeman Avatar

    If the “minority” is as fiscally responsible as they claim, then how do they justify a call for an expensive special session to repeal a tax that does not go into effect until after the next session starts and will probably be repealed anyway because Minnesota is doing so well economically?

  7. Chuck Avatar
    Chuck

    Dave M, in a multi-billion dollar budget, an extra session is minor, kind of like the UofM’s $3700 orgasm conference.

    So the tax doesn’t go into effect until next year? So maybe Governor Walker puts together a TIF package in the mean time.

  8. kel Avatar
    kel

    Dave,
    It’s very simple – only a failing business plans and executes on a month to month basis – successful businesses need to plan 18, 36 and 60 months in advance – what this tax does is bring an unacceptable level of risk and uncertainty to the forward looking process – the natural tendency of any successful business when confronted with this level of risk would be to look for alternatives that did not carry this burden of uncertainty (i.e. move the new warehouse activities out of state).

  9. Dave Mindeman Avatar

    Really – the people who comment on this blog act as though taxes are the only variable that a business ever considers on anything. Ridiculous. Taxes are truly an incidental. Minnesota has the BEST economy in the Midwest. Walker could only wish to be close to MN. His budget is going to tank Wisconsin further. Business economics never really changes – you need the market, you need a trained workforce, and you need the infrastructure to move goods. It is and always has been that simple. The Republican mantra about taxes as the driving force is still bunk.

  10. The Big Stink Avatar
    The Big Stink

    The states of Illinois, New York, New Jersey, California and New Jersey will soon be welcoming the Gopher State contingent to the dance of deficits. The blame, by media consensus, will be placed on Republicans for not objecting strenuously ENOUGH to protect their brothers engaged in Big Warehouse. In a scathing analysis, the Strib will do a four-part feature series highlighting the danger Minnesota’s warehouse out-migration is causing for state entitlement programs.

  11. Mr. D Avatar
    Mr. D

    Really – the people who comment on this blog act as though taxes are the only variable that a business ever considers on anything.

    Strawman.

  12. Mitch Berg Avatar
    Mitch Berg

    Dave,

    There is so much in your comment that’s just so wrong.

    Is MN’s economy better than Wisconsin’s? Well, yeah – WI is coming out of decades of liberal rule; MN had grown ups at least partly in charge the past 20 years.

    Another couple of years at this rate and it’ll be a different story.

  13. Mitch Berg Avatar
    Mitch Berg

    As to the DFL’s “infrastructure” canard? We have infrastructure. All the tax hikes sinus force all us private sector ripe sucks to work til we’re 70 so government workers can get their pensions at 55.

  14. Terry Avatar
    Terry

    The comments to this post are surreal.
    It doesn’t matter what the hell Red Wing says or does. Suppose RW ‘said’ that the warehouse tax wouldn’t keep them from opening their next warehouse, but would stop them from expanding in MN after that. What would that prove?
    A tax is an anti-stimulus. Adam Smith and JM Keynes BOTH knew this. It is literally econ 101. THE MECHANISM IS KNOWN AND UNDERSTOOD.
    Jesus Christ on a pogo stick . . .

  15. Chuck Avatar
    Chuck

    And it is about perception of business owners. My parents know the owner (the son of the funder and now holder of the majority of the stock) of a mid-sized company in Wisconsin. He said Obamacare will cause him and others to hire as many part timers as possible. 29 1/2 hours a week. He said many businesses that don’t require full time workers, will hire primarily part timers.

    You can argue if that is right or neccesary, but that is what he said. That is what businesses will do under Obamacare. If people here don’t believe me, I will email Mitch the company and owner info. Just don’t want the name put on here.

  16. Chuck Avatar
    Chuck

    To complete my point, businesses have options. Outsource to firms that do the work and pay workers way less. Outsource to China or India. Expand in pro-business states like Texas or South Carolina. Why put up Minnesota and its anti-business hatred.

    Wisconsin? Well, they could turn hard left as quickly as Minnesota did. Remember that Madison and Milwaukee have 900,000 people. About what Mpls, St Paul, Duluth and the Iron Range have. 900K voters that will always vote for the most left wing candidates.
    If I were looking at expanding, I would think twice as Wisconsin could easily regress.
    I think the hope for the right, and fear for the left, is that Walker’s policies will show good results before the state decides to look again at hard left Madison/Milwaukee politicians.

  17. bosshoss429 Avatar
    bosshoss429

    Can anybody or everybody point to other companies that have relocated all or part of their businesses away from this state because of the taxes BEFORE this warehouse tax was even an issue? Moneygram (formerly Travelers Express), moved their corporate HQ to Texas, with decisions currently being made on where to move the rest of the company, Lund International, one of the largest manufacturers of truck accessories in the country, moved to Georgia and a few years ago, Lyle Signs, the major manufacturer of highway signs, moved their manufacturing to South Dakota. You know, manufacturing, the industry that left wing politicians claim that they are trying to save? By the way, the decisions being made by Navarre, most likely during their due diligence phase prior to the purchase of SpeedFC. When they look at the bottom line, state and local taxes have a definite impact.
    Chuck, Walker’s policies have already saved several school districts boat loads of money. Further, the state’s AFSCME membership, as judged by those paying dues, has dropped from 60 some thousand to less than 25,000, because the economically intelligent members of their legislature, you know the ones that didn’t scurry over to Illinois during a temper tantrum, prevented the legal extortion by unions. Those members that opted out, now have a few hundred more dollars in their pockets each month.

  18. Joe Doakes Avatar
    Joe Doakes

    Now he’s Dave Mindeman? What happened to Dr. Strangelove?

    Okay, “Dave,” let’s assume taxes are a small part of the warehouse business decision. What’s the big part? Location, of course. Shipping distance warehouse to retailer, mainly, but also weather conditions and road conditions, as they affect the cost of transporting goods stored in your warehouse.

    Compared to Wisconsin, Minnesota’s distance is good but its roads and weather are the same. If the increased cost from warehouse taxes eat up the distance-to-retailer savings, then Minnesota has no advantage over Wisconsin. Then it comes down to perception: which state feels more business-friendly to the owner? Wisconsin wins.

    Minnesota needs lower taxes to overcome its disadvantages.

  19. swiftee Avatar
    swiftee

    OK Dave, I’ll bite. The GOP wants the special session because it will accomplish a necessary task, and because it will embaress Governor JimBeam & his dancing dimwits.

    One is no more, or less the consequence of the afforementioned dimwits actions than the other.

    Them’s the facts.

  20. Emery Avatar
    Emery

    To that I would add: The Government can’t do anything right except bailout the “free” market.

  21. swiftee Avatar
    swiftee

    Look at Peni…waving that Obama banner high as ever over the rubble.

  22. Joe Doakes Avatar
    Joe Doakes

    Emery, your 6:42 AM post conclusively demonstrates that you don’t understand the fundamental nature and purpose of government, as your prescription is exactly backwards.

    You now join Karl Marx, John Maynard Keynes and Paul Krugman in the ranks of the most well-meaning but utterly misguided individuals in history.

  23. Emery Avatar
    Emery

    @swiftpee
    Before attempting to be a mental giant, try spell check.
    “afforementioned” (sic): >aforementioned

    @Joe Doakes
    It’s called irony.

  24. Terry Avatar
    Terry

    I have no idea what Emery meant by his last post. Maybe it was supposed to be ironic?
    The free market is corrosive. One of the most effective ways to reward your friends is to protect them from market forces. One of the most effective ways to punish your enemies to expose them to market forces.

  25. Terry Avatar
    Terry

    Emery-
    Who do you think is pro ‘bailout’?

  26. Joe Doakes Avatar
    Joe Doakes

    No, Emery, “irony” is feigned ignorance. Irony works because the reader knows you know better.

    Based on your prior posts, there is no evidence your ignorance is feigned rather than sincerely held and jealously guarded.
    .

  27. swiftee Avatar
    swiftee

    Peni, you astonish me. Usually you dimwitted leftist twits rush, tears squirting all over your shoes, to drag out my homage to Johnny Cash when I’ve hurt your feelings. Spelling Nazi is old and busted.

    Never thought I’d say I miss AssClown, but there it is.

  28. Emery Avatar
    Emery

    @Terry
    I’ve never met a true free market conservative.

  29. Terry Avatar
    Terry

    That’s because conservatism and libertarianism aren’t the same thing, Emery.
    Where free market philosophy really falls apart is in its handling of intellectual property. There really is no natural law case for it, intellectual property rights can only be enforced by the State.
    Every business wants to pay only the free market costs of its inputs (including labor) but does not want, no-way, no-how, to sell its product in a free market.

  30. justplainangry Avatar
    justplainangry

    Minnesota has the BEST economy in the Midwest.

    Did Dakotas secede from the Midwest? Did I miss the memo?

  31. Mitch Berg Avatar
    Mitch Berg

    JPA,

    I suspect Dave, like most of the Minnesota left, is clinging to that Philadelphia Fed report from a few months back. It measured a baffling array of short-term growth indicators and ended up concluding that California, West Virginia and Illinois are leading the nation in economic growth, while Wisconsin and North Dakota are in the bottom 10%.

    Make of that what you will. Goodness knows the left has.

  32. Emery Avatar
    Emery

    @Terry
    The most profitable companies in the US abuse patent law and first-mover network effects to extract monopoly rents.

  33. justplainangry Avatar
    justplainangry

    Oh oh… Sicko Soci@list Marxist Emery is off his coherence meds

  34. Emery Avatar
    Emery

    @jpa
    Turn that frown upside down.
    Minneapolis-St. Paul officially has the lowest unemployment rate of any major American city
    http://www.bls.gov/web/metro/laulrgma.htm

  35. Terry Avatar
    Terry

    “Most profitable” is a term that needs definition, emery. So is ‘. . . in the US’. But for all I know you are correct.
    Individuals and corporations want to build barriers to marketplace entry by competitors. In an efficient free market, you cannot sell a product for more than it costs to produce. Businesses (corporate and individual) do what they are able to do to leverage market inefficiencies and so produce an economic profit.
    Not that there is anything wrong with that. Intellectual property is an example of a market inefficiency that most people would agree produces a social and economic good.
    However, the way we choose to allow market inefficiencies is not a rational process. It is a political process. The extension of the length of copyright on works-for-hire wasn’t chosen because it was economically or socially defensible, it was chosen because Disney didn’t want Mickey Mouse to enter the public domain.

  36. jpmn Avatar
    jpmn

    CA is losing companies and people due to taxes and regulations. Perhaps one of the most compelling reason for business to leave the Golden State was the decision to retroactively tax business over the past five years by nullifying an exemption.

    http://youtu.be/cDfYP8VEC00

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