I have never seen the show. Well, I take that back - I saw a grand total of ten minutes from three different episodes. Each of the scenes I saw involved a very stereotyped gay guy making a very stereotyped gay joke in a very - yep - stereotypes gay voice. Did I miss anything?
#1 = Ditto
#2 = ER is merely a shadow of it's former self! When a show backs up 6 weeks in your TIVO, you know it's time to turn off the season pass. I probably won't watch after this season.
Flash
Posted by: flash at May 17, 2006 06:57 AM#1 Uhm, yeah, you missed something. You missed the belly-laughs. You missed the comedy of Megan Mulally's character - one of the funniest weirdest MEANEST characters on television in recent memory. She was like Archie Bunker, but with a Betty Boop voice, and killer knockers. Will and Grace was on for probably 2 seasons too long, I stopped watching it a while back - but the writing on that show was smart, fresh, biting, and hysterical. It also was CHARACTER-driven, as opposed to JOKE driven - which is rare.
All of this is subjective of course, and maybe that humor is not your taste - but if you've only seen 10 minutes of the entire show, and then make a judgment on the whole thing based on 10 minutes, and then say "Am I missing something" - then here I am to tell you what you've missed.
Posted by: red at May 17, 2006 07:21 AMNo, I know - I have a lot of friends who loved the show. Just like "Friends", which I also never saw!
I've heard good things about it over the years. So yeah, I imagine I did miss something. But in three short attempts, it got past me!
Posted by: mitch at May 17, 2006 07:27 AMMegan Mullaly is the thing to watch. She hits a home run on every line. She is also such a NASTY character. Unredeemable, really. You don't really see that on sitcoms - but there she is, in all her nasty selfish cold-hearted glory. But she's hysterical.
Posted by: red at May 17, 2006 07:35 AMIf you spend your valuable time watching sitcoms, you deserve the angryclown-like brain rot that will inevitably develop. It's a medium designed for the microscopic American attention span. I couldn't tell you which one was Will and which one was Grace. But one of them was gay, so that made it a noble social commentary, right?
Posted by: Kermit at May 17, 2006 07:51 AMAngryclown has also never seen the Will and Grace. Is that the one about gay cowboys?
Posted by: angryclown at May 17, 2006 07:54 AM"Megan Mullaly is the thing to watch. "
Y'see, I have heard that. I have never seen her in the snippets I've seen, but I have heard she's really, really funny.
My deal is this - I just don't watch a lot of TV. It's not a "Look at how cool I am" thing - I just never have the time.
Kermit,
I don't know that anyone called it noble commentary. Just a show that some people enjoyed a lot, and that I never saw.
Posted by: mitch at May 17, 2006 08:05 AMI don't like certain sitcoms because they improve my brain. I like certain sitcoms because they are entertaining. I enjoy escape, I enjoy relaxation.
It's also incredible that along with my diet of sitcoms and reality TV I am also able to read tons of books, have meaningful relationships with my family, exercise, eat right, and have a career!
oh my God, how am I able to do that - along with watching television shows that I like? Where is my microscopic attention span? Where is my brain rot?
Posted by: red at May 17, 2006 08:05 AMRed said: "I don't like certain sitcoms because they improve my brain. I like certain sitcoms because they are entertaining. I enjoy escape, I enjoy relaxation."
While Kermit, by contrast, enjoys surfing the net for kiddie porn. To each his own!
Posted by: angryclown at May 17, 2006 08:08 AMI actually don't watch all that much TV either, Mitch. I'm a Sunday-night TV watcher (Sopranos and Grey's Anatomy) - other than that, it's all movies. But I do have a huge beef with the "TV is a sign of the brain rot of America" people, the TV Turnoff Week Morons, as I call them.
Posted by: red at May 17, 2006 08:08 AMMethinks she doth protest too much!
Granted, there's some good television out there, but most of network TV is subversive, agenda driven crap.
On the other hand, it's good to see some network shows that glamourize math and science, even though they use some bodacious T & A to do it.
Posted by: Eracus at May 17, 2006 08:32 AMRed, you undoubtedly inhabit the upper echelon of American society. I can't speak to state of your brain, I can only reflect on the state of society as I see it.
Posted by: Kermit at May 17, 2006 08:37 AMYou do seem to contradict yourself however:
"It's also incredible that along with my diet of sitcoms and reality TV..."
"I actually don't watch all that much TV either, Mitch."
Mitch I was being a bit sarcastic with the noble commentary remark. I can't help but notice that while gay people make up between 1% to 5% of society they seem to turn up with a much greater frequency in the media.
Posted by: Kermit at May 17, 2006 08:40 AM"PUT. THE LAPTOP. AWAY."
But not until "Red's Bookshelf" is done, please?
Posted by: mitch at May 17, 2006 09:51 AMhahahahaha
Posted by: red at May 17, 2006 10:03 AM"While Kermit, by contrast, enjoys surfing the net for kiddie porn. To each his own!"
Posted by: angryclown at May 17, 2006 08:08 AM
THE INTERNET IS FOR PORN
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Posted by: Bill C at May 17, 2006 02:58 PMpssst: Bill, don't encourage him.
Posted by: Kermit at May 17, 2006 03:32 PMSaw "Will and Grace" about two times, and concluded that it was an early 21st century minstrel show, so I didn't watch it again. I actually try to watch more t.v. than I do, but the writing is so godawful that I usually stop after one episode of any series. I heard people rave about "Gray's Anatomy", "Lost", "Desperate Housewives", and "House", but never could bring myself to watch a second episode. I saw the entire second season of "24", and by the end I was rooting for Bauer to get killed.
I do enjoy "The Sopranos", although it is time for that series to wind up. "Deadwood", also on HBO, is absolutely brilliant, and I was unhappy to hear that it's upcoming season may be the last. The characters are complex, the dialogue is fun to listen to, and the plots are vastly more sophisticated, in the political/economic sense, than anything else I've ever seen on t.v.. To see this little outpost on the frontier move from a Hobbesian state of nature to something resembling a polity, with all the mendacity, courage, corruption, and nobility that such a complex human process entails, has been hugely entertaining.
Posted by: Will Allen at May 17, 2006 04:27 PMOh, ER. Gawd help me, someone in my house practically lives for that show. We've got three episodes on tape that I dread watching. See, they've outsourced the plot and character development to the same crew that writes for "Days of Our Lives". And not the talented ones.
Just waiting for the incredibly smart Indian doctor to abandon her Iraq-stationed doctor-husband as some statement against the war. Oh, and Darfur is also co-starring lately.
Did you know ER is about an Emergency Room? I didn't know that.
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