Mitch said: "700 conservatives in downtown Minneapolis."

This group donates 85% to conservative politicians, 9% to the NRA and 6% to halitosis research. Wanna see my 569-page spreadsheet?

"Wanna see my 569-page spreadsheet"

You gotta buy me dinner first.

Oh, yeah. Y'see, Clown, there's yer difference; we don't call ourselves "bipartisan", and we don't try to sugarcoat our message with weasel-words.

We are conservatives. We want to cut government spending, cut taxes, make the world safer, secure our borders, and get conservative nominees confirmed to the bench. None of this "we're really bipartisan" bullshirt (although the first four of those were Truman/Kennedy Democrat beliefs, until the Democrat party began sliding leftward into lunacy), we are conservatives.

Would that the Patricians, or the newspaper that supports them, were so honest.

I bet DUers are planning another hippie protest flotilla...

http://www.startribune.com/587/story/516495.html

Love to join ya Mitch, however we are going to be at a baseball tournament for the Junior Logician all weekend. Have fun!

Mitch bleated: "We are conservatives [reactionaries]. We want to cut government spending [on the poor], cut taxes [for the wealthy], make the world safer [through war], secure our borders [against nonwhites], and get conservative [right-wing radical] nominees confirmed to the bench. None of this "we're really bipartisan" bullshirt (although the first four of those were Truman/Kennedy Democrat beliefs, until the Democrat party began sliding leftward into lunacy), we are conservatives [wingnuts]."

Oh yeah, you wingnuts are real straight talkers. Tell me again about how Saddam was behind 9/11.

"Tell me again about how Saddam was behind 9/11."

Show me where Bush said it.

2 questions:

Can we smoke?

Forget the second one if the first answer is no.

If the heat doesn't kill me I might make it. Mitch, would you have any problems if I dropped off a Ghost in the Shell DVD and a CD (Reklamation by Wir Sind Helden)? I'd like your opinion on them. I'll pop the both in a stamped self-address thingy so you can get them back to me.

On to the politics. I've been avoiding the "I'm shocked! I'm shocked that a pro-tax group is filled with liberals" blogviation as just so much right-wing ... I'm sorry, I had the clean verison of the word handy but it's been dashed from my head just now ... anyways, its good clean fun but rather pointless, and too easily responded to to be worth the effort (Taxpayer's League, anyone? How about a google or wikipedia search for "Astroturf?").

But now that people are getting onto high horses I guess I should. Anyone take a gander at http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Front_groups? I looked through the front group entries under the A's, and of the 23 listed, 20 were industry or conservative issue front groups, 2 were broken links, and only 1 pointed to a liberal front group. I suspect that trend will mostly hold if I looked at the several hundred other listings as well. Here's the list I looked at, try to guess their political bias. Some of them are quite unintentionally humorous, such as Microsoft's "Association for Competitive Technology". Contest puzzle: Try to find the one liberal front group in this list.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if the site I took this from is a "progressive" organization, but so what? With a 20-1 edge, what would a balanced list look like? 18-1? 12-1? 8-2? It'd still be a tired sports cliche.

Accuracy in Media
ActivistCash.com
The Advancement of Sound Science Coalition
Africa Fighting Malaria
African American Republican Leadership Council
AIDS Responsibility Project
Air Hygiene Foundation
Air Quality Standards Coalition
Alexis de Tocqueville Institution
Alliance for Better Foods
Alliance for Quality Nursing Home Care
Alliance for Responsible CFC Policy
American Beverage Institute
American Council on Science and Health
American Forest Foundation
American Forest Resource Alliance
American Industrial Health Council
American Policy Center
American Tort Reform Association
Americans for Tax Reform
Americans for Balanced Energy Choices
A.N.S.W.E.R.
Association for Competitive Technology

Anyways, no harm in calling liberals liberal, but when you start getting indignant about it you're really blindsiding yourself. Conservative (and allied industry groups) have made the misleadingly deceptive front organization a high art form. The least you could do is sit back, applaud, and recognize it.

[Contest answer: the 22nd entry, A.N.S.W.E.R., is the sole liberal front organization on this list. Contratulations to Shelly Thompson of Fair Oaks, Nevada for her winning enry]

American Tort Reform Association
Americans for Tax Reform

Yep, these 2 just screamed liberal to me. How dare those evil conservatives, they hide behind liberal labels like tax and tort reform!

Next you'll have them working under the liberal guise of taxpayers and gun owners. Do they have no shame?

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"Tell me again about how Saddam was behind 9/11."

Show me where Bush said it.
Posted by mitch at July 12, 2006 12:16 PM
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""Many believe Saddam was involved. That's not an issue for now. If we catch him being involved, we'll act. He probably was behind this in the end.""

— George W. Bush, (Bush at War, p. 167)
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--Bush at War focuses on the three months following the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, during which the U.S. prepared for war in Afghanistan, took steps toward a preemptive strike against Iraq, intensified homeland defense, and began a well-funded CIA covert war against terrorism around the world.--

So Bush didn't actually say Saddam was involved. Thanks for clearing that up, Flash.
Angryclown wants to show you his spreadsheet.

Tracy,

That was a random sampling of 23 front organizations (the 'A' entries in the list I pointed to). Now, if you really want to make it a bragging point that only 90 percent of randomly selected conservative or industry front groups are deceptive, well then...

American Beverage Institute

A radical wingnut outfit if ever I saw one. I hear the Koolaid Pitcher was once a member of the John Birch Society.

To "Guten Tag", all I can say is tschüs.

Was your point (that business often has to share its views under non-individuals' names, while individuals can use . . um, . . individuals' names . . . ) a point that counts in favor of the self-proclaimed "bipartisan" group that contributes 98% to Dems?

Sorry, it made them seem not one iota more honest.

To "Guten Tag", all I can say is tschüs.

Was your point (that business often has to share its views under non-individuals' names, while individuals can use . . um, . . individuals' names . . . ) a point that counts in favor of the self-proclaimed "bipartisan" group that contributes 98% to Dems?

Sorry, it made them seem not one iota more honest.

Kermit blathered: "American Beverage Institute

A radical wingnut outfit if ever I saw one. I hear the Koolaid Pitcher was once a member of the John Birch Society."

Actually, Kerm, they represent the interest of alcohol and cigarette makers. They oppose smoke-free bars and restaurants and tougher drunk driving laws.

No knock on you of course - if everybody were intelligent, where would we find people to clean public restrooms or run FEMA?

No scheiss, Bozo? I oppose smopke-free bars too. Any friend of MADD ain't a friend of mine. That pack of Carrie Nation wannabes wont be happy until we reinstate prohibition. Drunk driving laws have assumed the attitude of near hysteria.
As for getting people to clean public restrooms, here in Minnesota it's a Somali profession. That and taxi driving. Of course if as Americans they don't want to do it any more there's always Mexico.
FEMA will continue to scrap the crud off the bottom of our university system like any federal agency.
And I never blather.

Only 9% to the NRA? What the hell? So with as hot as it is up there, has AC's strawmen burst into flame yet?

Just to clarify... AC said, "Oh yeah, you wingnuts are real straight talkers. Tell me again about how Saddam was behind 9/11."

Notice that? he said "you wingnuts".

Mitch responded in typical Mitch fashion. "Show me where Bush said it."

But AC didn't say Bush said it Mitch.

Regardless, Bush and his entire administration did imply it ad infinitum.

You guys, you wingnuts, either knew it was bullship or you really believed it was true even though the available intelligence said otherwise.

And, if you knew it was BS, why didn't you use your vast and powerful media channels (sarchasm intended) to stop the disemination of implicit lies?

You guys are either willfully ignorant or complicit. Which is it?

"Bush and his entire administration did imply it ad infinitum."

Right. So...show me. Where did it happen?