Bleeding hearts, always looking for the government to solve your problems. Why can't you come up with a free-market solution like buying a bigger car or hiring a private security force? Custer Battles has some time on their hands these days.

I saw this on the news last night. Very sad. It almost makes you want to rethink the red light cameras. At least for situations this bad.

I know Ms. Trice very well, she is a colleague of mine here at work. Obviously she is not here today, but my thoughts and prayers are with her and her family as they grieve their losses and pray for the recovery of those who survived.

This is a tragedy of immense proportions, and as one who has been nabbed a couple times by the St. Paul Revenue Enhancement Program via speed traps, I know where you are coming from.

The three spots I've been nailed:

Concordia between Hamline and Lexington
Dale on the way down the RR overpass to Front.
Maryland West bound going over 35E

I've been lucky in the Fairview run, I'll need to make sure I keep my eyes open there.

Flash

Why is it that your solution to everything is to either borrow money that my kids will have to pay back with outrageous interest or you run for government to fix all of your problems?

Maybe you should propose a referendum to increase taxes to pay to fix the intersection. Let the citizens decide if they would rather get their $87.00 back or fix a dangerous intersection.

I'm sure you'll be able to get The Taxpayers League of Minnesota to jump all over that and support it.

Good luck with that one.

Oh, and I see now Amy Klobuchar is responsible for gunshots being fired outside of the convention center at a graduation ceremony.

Here... let me try the Mitch Berg method...

Several shots were fired Sunday night outside the Convention Center in Minnesotas largest city. The quagmire in Tim Pawlenty's Minnesota deepens.

"Why is it that your solution to everything is to either borrow money that my kids will have to pay back with outrageous interest or you run for government to fix all of your problems?"

Doug: Saint Paul already HAS a police department. It is large (larger per capital than the Minneapolis PD), well-funded (entry-level cops in St. Paul make more money than the ones in Minneapolis) and well-regarded. We pay PLENTY for them already. No borrowing. No financial tricks. None of your overheated conspiracy theories.

Would it kill Chris Coleman to occasionally have a couple of squads sit there and nail red-light runners?

"Maybe you should propose a referendum to increase taxes to pay to fix the intersection."

Irrelevant. Saint Paul has both a traffic engineer and a police department. Both are on staff now. Both can play a role in fixing the problem without spending another nickel.

"I'm sure you'll be able to get The Taxpayers League of Minnesota to jump all over that and support it."

Irrelevant.

Perhaps you can approach this issue from a perspective of cool-headed relevance?

As the sage said...

"Good luck with that one."

"...Klobuchar is responsible for gunshots being fired outside...a graduation ceremony.
Here... let me try the Mitch Berg method...The quagmire in Tim Pawlenty's Minnesota deepens."

Tim Pawlenty is directly responsible for law enforcement in Hennepin County?

Who knew?

(Especially given that crime in general in Minnesota is down, and is holding fairly steady in neighboring Saint Paul?)

Next time try facts, Doug.

Way to snark up a decent thread, Doug.

"Oh, and I see now Amy Klobuchar is responsible for gunshots being fired outside of the convention center at a graduation ceremony."

Minneapolis increase in violent crime: 35%
National average 2%

Yes AKlo IS responsible for gunshots. Her, RT and hundreds of thousands being squandered on "reweaving the urban fabric".
Puh.

Hey Mitch! You should cross post this on SPIF, I'd love to watch the fireworks there.

Flash

Hmmmmm.

I may just do that in a bit.

Thanks for the idea!

Don't forget St Paul Ave between Ford Parkway and Davern. Gotta have 2 cops there at all times so we can get rich going both ways

Lets not forget all the amazing work our City Council has done to kill the flow of traffic on Lexington and Ford Parkway by cutting two lane roads down to one lane. Thank god the solved the problem of people going 35 mph down Ford Parkway, I mean my goodness look at all the accidents you saw there

You wanna fix the Snelling/University/I-94 snarl? Here's what you do: take a wrecking ball to the MOTHERFARGING USELESS LIGHT at Snelling and Shields Ave, which only exists to let motorists in and out of the Hollywood Video/Big Top Liquor parking lot. Seal off that entrance to that strip mall; it means motorists will have to enter off of University but big whoop, I doubt anyone will go out of business because of that. Lose that light and the problems will cease I gar-rahn-tee.

"Would it kill Chris Coleman to occasionally have a couple of squads sit there and nail red-light runners?"

Chris Coleman is directly responsible for squad car assignments? Who knew.

Hey! Playing you is fun! You can spill rhetoric but then cry foul when someone else does it for effect. Cool!

Chris Coleman DOES have a big role in setting the SPPD's priorities. Yes, he most certainly does.

As opposed to Tim Pawlenty, whose role in policing the streets of Minneapolis stops short of calling out the National Guard.

"Hey! Playing you is fun! You can spill rhetoric but then cry foul when someone else does it for effect. Cool!"

It'd be even cooler if anything you said made sense.

Mitch said,

"Chris Coleman DOES have a big role in setting the SPPD's priorities. Yes, he most certainly does."

Sure Mitch, but you said,

"Would it kill Chris Coleman to occasionally have a couple of squads sit there and nail red-light runners?"

You know what else is a really bad corner? Kellogg and 7th St West. Lots of accidents there. Maybe Coleman should post some squads there too. And down near the Xcel center. Put a few squads there Mr. Coleman... Come to think of it, since a large number of accidents happen at night after people leave the drinking establishments in St. Paul, I think it would be a good idea to have a squad posted outside of every bar.

That way, with all of the cops tied up watching intersections and bar hoppers, Mitch is free to speed along the Fairview underpass.

Come on Mitch. You took an accident with tragic consequences and found a way to turn it into a Coleman bashing opportunity just like you took a shooting at the Convention Center and found a way to suggest it was Amy K's fault.

For someone who seems awfully sensitive about democrats blaming Bush for things you don't believe he's responsible for, you sure are quick to do the same.

Snelling/University/I-94 has been crappy for 30 years; Tim, I agree completely with you on the light at Snelling and Shields. I refuse to even drive it anymore; the only reason I even get near it is to visit Midway Book Store.

Not only is that corridor horrible, it's an eyesore with that ugly bathroom-tile building there.

I read the story and I thought the driver of the offending vehicle lost brake control. They were reportedly at freeway speed which would seem to indicate that they had just exited 94 and their brakes failed when they tried to reduce speed. People may run the red there but it didn't seem like it was the case there.

"You took an accident with tragic consequences and found a way to turn it into a Coleman bashing opportunity"

Bzzzt. Wrong again.

It was a suggestion to Coleman. From a taxpayer who's nearly gotten killed a couple of times on University, and who has watched cops sitting on Dale Street and Pierce Butler and Ford Parkway staring at their radar guns.

Sure Mitch. That explains why you said,

"While the Coleman adminstration is happy to make you pay for a better Saint Paul by putting speed traps on the Fairview underpass..."

and,

"Chris Coleman - do you want to do something useful?"

In other words, the Coleman administration enjoys making you pay for bad law enforcement decisions and Coeman doesn't actually do anything useful...

Oh yeah, Mitch also inplies that the Coleman administration actually has the responsibility to direct the SPPD'd patrol assignments.

Doug, thou art master of the freaking obvious.

No fecking kidding that's what I said! Yes, genius; I want Coleman to get the cops to spend less time raising revenue and more time helping to prevent the systematic flouting of the traffic laws that make that particular corner (among a few others) such a deadly place.

And that's wrong why?

No, I mean with reasons that make sense.

"No, I mean with reasons that make sense."

What, you expect him to start now? You're asking a lot, Mitch.

So if I understand you correctly, the St. Paul Cops should stop raising revenue by monitoring and charging drivers who speed and should instead raise revenue by monitoring and charging drivers who run red lights in an effort to getting onto the freeway quicker.

Brilliant idea Mitch. And just how many days till you are writing a post about how Mayor Coleman is paying cops to sit in their cars at the intersection eating doughnuts and treating St. Paul drivers like children?

Here's a thought Einstein... Maybe you can get a citizens group together to examine better traffic pattern design rather than expecting The Mayor and law enforcement to fix the problem.

Mitch said,

"I want Coleman to get the cops to spend less time raising revenue and more time helping to prevent the systematic flouting of the traffic laws...

And that's wrong why?"

Strawman argument.

Your entire argument now is based on the premise that the reason the cops are busting traffic at the fairview underpass is to raise revenue at the direction of Mayor Coleman and that the publics interest would be better served if there were cops sitting at Snelling and 94 instead.

Maybe this hasn't occured to you yet Mitch but there are cops there - at that intersection - all the time. There are cops in the Rainbow parking lot on a continual basis and there are squad cars patrolling the intersection constantly - which reminds me of something you said earlier...

"Would it kill Chris Coleman to occasionally have a couple of squads sit there and nail red-light runners?"

Gee Mitch, would it kill you to be a bit less blatantly partisan and a bit more honest?

"So if I understand you correctly, the St. Paul Cops should stop raising revenue by monitoring and charging drivers who speed and should instead raise revenue by monitoring and charging drivers who run red lights in an effort to getting onto the freeway quicker."

No, Doug. As usual, your contempt for dissent combined with your complete void of fact betrays you.

The SPPD should spend less time raising money chasing speeders on fairly benign bits of road, and more time making sure people obey the law in places where we have had tons of problems.

"Maybe this hasn't occured to you yet Mitch but there are cops there - at that intersection - all the time. There are cops in the Rainbow parking lot on a continual basis and there are squad cars patrolling the intersection constantly..."

Gosh, Doug, I only live in the neighborhood. What would I know?

"Maybe you can get a citizens group together to examine better traffic pattern design rather than expecting The Mayor and law enforcement to fix the problem."

I'm trying to imagine a moment in the mind of Doug:
"Hmm - Mitch just said "enforce the law". W00t w00t! He didn't specifically mention "change the layout of the intersection! BUSted!"

Get a life, Doug.

"Gee, Mitch, would it kill you to be a bit less blatantly partisan and a bit more honest?"

I am partisan. That's a key reason I write this blog.

I am relentlessly honest. You just don't like my conclusions. It's so much easier to sneer and make contemptuous strawman arguments than it is to actually engage a point, isn't it?

Would it kill you to develop some intellectual honesty?

(Lovely little rhetorical card trick, isn't it?)

It would seem that a Mayor for a city be it St. Paul or Mpls would take some personal interest in the public safety of it citizens. Especially when it comes to life and death as it did in this instance.

For this, I really don't see it as a money issue as much as it's what Mayor Coleman and the Police already get paid to do.

Mitch said,

"Gosh, Doug, I only live in the neighborhood. What would I know?"

Well clearly you don't know the basic function and purpose of windows because if you did, you wouldn't have said,

"Would it kill Chris Coleman to occasionally have a couple of squads sit there and nail red-light runners?"

"I'm trying to imagine a moment in the mind of Doug:
"Hmm - Mitch just said "enforce the law". W00t w00t! He didn't specifically mention "change the layout of the intersection! BUSted!""

Let me help you out by narrating what was actually going on in my mind...

Hmm - Mitch just said Mayor Coleman should put squad cars at that intersection. Hmmm. I always see cop cars there... oh well, I think that's probably the responsibility of the Police department anyway - not the Mayor and if Mitch is actually concerned about that corner, he should be addressing the St. Paul Police - not the Democratic Mayor that Mitch has so much contempt for. Of course, if he did, he wouldn't have a predictable jab at another Democratic boogeyman. I probably shouldn't have had so much coffee this morning. Note to self, don't pee after weeding the poison ivy covered path to the sweatlodge. Better scratch plans for this weekend... Mmmmm someone's making toast.

"Get a life, Doug."

I have one and it's quite nice thank you very much.

"I am relentlessly honest. You just don't like my conclusions."

If your conclusions were based on facts rather than rhetoric and demagoguery, I might agree with them but they're not.

Ignoring Doug for a minute...

Is angryclown always such a jerk? Does he/she ever have a serious comment, or are they always that childish and jerk-like?

I'm just curious, clowns are usually so entertaining...

I've known The Clown for years. He's a liberal New York journalist (and I won't identify him further) who revels in yanking peoples' chains (hence I can't take most of what he says too seriously), but is a fairly good sort. For a Democrat.

I cut him some slack because after a day of picking cockroach parts out of your chicken salad, and begging the half-dozen union electricians who are standing around while one of them fixes your stove to kindly quit urinating behind your 'fridge in your 600 square foot apartment in Astoria, before sallying forth into one of the most socially and legally regimented societies in the US, a guy can use a friendly place to let some tension loose. Consider it my contribution to the mental health of the mid-atlantic states.

Bad news, Doug. The city doesn't listen to citizen groups.

I attended meeting after meeting to fight light rail line down University. At every meeting, Midway residents rated as their number one priority more law enforcement in the alley between University and Sherburne (where the hookers and dealers hang out). Light rail came in dead last every time.

Guess what? Light rail is coming. And the Sherburne alley is still shoulder-holster territory.

I moved my family out of Midway to Como Park. Much nicer up there.
.

When it happens to somebody you know and love, we'll see how loose you talk about it then. This was an important person who just died. I'd appreciate it, if you show some respect.

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