Yes Mitch... I can tell you Republicans are VERY concerned about securing the integrity of the electoral system...

Maybe you, O.J. and President Bush can get all over those 2000 and 2004 elections issues and when you're done, you can get together with some of Tom Delays aides and fly over to Italy to help Silvio Berlusconi make sure that those elections were clean.

I realize things are looking pretty dire for Republicans right now but maybe you should put your energy into formulating a plan for winning rather than a plan to challenge Klubuchar after she wins.

Just a thought.

And I'm sure Doug just loves Motor-voter and the walk up and vote with no picture ID plan we now have.
The only issue with the 2000 and 2004 elections is that Doug's party LOST.
Move on, Doug.

Kermit said,

"The only issue with the 2000 and 2004 elections is that Doug's party LOST."

That and the Supreme Court stepping into a State issue, voting machine rigging, phone jamming, Brownshirt intimidation, under supplying Urban precints with voting machines, erroneous challenges by GOP observers, exit polls that are VASTLY different than the "official" count, letters and notices sent to voters telling them they will be arrested at the polls for unpaid parking tickets... blah, blah, blah...

You'll get right on those problems too won't ya there Kermit.

No, Doug I wont get right on them, as they don't need getting on. I try to avoid the fever swamp, as I have read and heard all the sad, frustrated tripe emanating from there.
But I will point out one detail:
"That and the Supreme Court stepping into a State issue"
Last time I checked the POTUS was a national position. Letting the Florida Supreme Court circumvent the Florida constitution would violate the rights of 49 other states.

"Brownshirt intimidation"

But that was all Democrat, Doug!

"exit polls that are VASTLY different than the "official" count"

OK, Doug - with that reference there, even *I* am ready to consign you to the fever swamp. Exit polls are of no legal value, and are documentably skewed.

Mitch said,

"Exit polls are of no legal value, and are documentably skewed."

Of course unless you're in Ukrain where exit poll / "official count" discrepencies led to this statement from the White House...

Statement on Ukrainian Elections

The United States is deeply disturbed by extensive and credible indications of fraud committed in the Ukrainian presidential election. We strongly support efforts to review the conduct of the election and urge Ukrainian authorities not to certify results until investigations of organized fraud are resolved. We call on the Government of Ukraine to respect the will of the Ukrainian people, and we urge all Ukrainians to resolve the situation through peaceful means. The Government bears a special responsibility not to use or incite violence, and to allow free media to report accurately on the situation without intimidation or coercion. The United States stands with the Ukrainian people in this difficult time.

I thought I recognized Mr. Bush playing frisbee with Powell the other day down here in the swamp.

And yet the words “exit polls” appear no where in the statement from the White House on the Ukrainian election.

Perhaps it might be best in the future when trying to cite examples to find some that relate at least tangentially to whatever the hell point it is that you think you’re trying to make.

And yet, SOMETHING drove hundreds of thousands of people to take to the streets to protest the fraudulent results - In Ukrain - Where polling data was used as a check against and evidence of what was clearly extensive and credible indications of fraud committed in the Ukrainian presidential election - resulting in an overturn of the elections.

And Thorley, the President never mentioned the words, Tootsie Pop in His State of the Union Address but it's pretty clear now that he believe every American is a sucker.

"And yet, SOMETHING drove hundreds of thousands of people to take to the streets to protest the fraudulent results - In Ukrain - Where polling data was used as a check"

Quick, Doug; list the differences between both the "exit polling" methodologies used in Ukraine AND the differences in underlying context.

I'll assume you can.

"And Thorley, the President never mentioned the words, Tootsie Pop in His State of the Union Address but it's pretty clear now that he believe every American is a sucker."

Where "pretty clear" = "obvious, to us conspiracy wackoes".

I read somewhere that the methodology of at least the FLA exit polling in 2004 was really bad, a combination of wanting to get the results early enough to make the network news broadcasts on the East Coast and oversampling young women (go figure).
I think it's great that the dems are mired in conspiracy theories. If they stop listening to Dean and start listening to Dean they might win an election now and then.

"I think it's great that the dems are mired in conspiracy theories."

I disagree. The insanity being indulged in by the Democrats will only serve to make Republicans complacent and less willing to risk making the difficult choices (e.g. entitlement reform) that we need them to make.

Sorry about the typ. My comment should be read " If they stop listening to Dean and start listening to _Carville_ they might win an election now and then."

Mitch said,

Quick, Doug; list the differences between both the "exit polling" methodologies used in Ukraine AND the differences in underlying context.

I'd be happy to Mitch.

First, with regard to methodologies, the poll workers in Ukrain used a #2 Kuevemetcho pencil to record their answers where as the American poll workers used standard issue ball point pens.

With regard to context, in Ukrain, the exit polling revealed inconsistencies between votes cast for an incumbant who was poisoning his challenger and the challenger.

In America, exit polls revealed inconsistencies between votes cast for a democratic challenger and an incombant who is poisoning the country.

It would have been faster, and more accurate, to just say "I have no idea".

BDS is a terrible thing. Happily it runs it's course after 8 years.

"BDS is a terrible thing. Happily it runs it's course after 8 years."

No, it won't. Expect to be revisiting the battles years from now. Haven't we been seeing the remnants of the Clinton perjury/"it was just a bl*wj*b" battles for years now? We'll be seeing BDS until the MidEast is stable and functional, which should occur sometime after the sun goes nova if history is any guide.

I try to be optimistic.

Mitch,

Before I worked as a Fry Tech, shopping cart herder, assistant Cob foods manager or whatever else kermit likes to come up with, I spent years as a marketing professional. Remember? It was the career I left after 9/11?

Anyway, I understand a little bit about research methodologies considering that market research and data collection analysis was kinda impotant functions of my job.

I also know that there was a reason I don't do that anymore. It bores the hell out of me and the last thing I would want to do after a long day of cleaning up in aisle 4 is discuss research methodologies. I'd rather engage is random drive-by snarkisms thanks you very much.

The fact is the exit polls didn't match and the Ukrainians rose up and took matters into their own hands. Here, the exit polls didn't match and Americans rose up and went to the refrigerator and got more cheese dip.

Remember, one of the explanations originally offered was there were more over zealous Democrats willing to participate in the exit polls.

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