"But I sincerely, truly hope to have the chance to debate this gabbling moron someday."

Um, don't you host a weekly radio show that frequently interviews guests...

I suppose you have similar feelings for those who write and read the 'Left Behind' novels and every preacher who ever waxed rhapsodic about the book of Revelations.

Vol,

Could happen.

Rick,

I'm deeply uncomfortable with the "Left Behind" series, on theological grounds.

Revelation is a debate not easily facilitated here.

I have never heard a Lutheran minister "wax rhapsodic" about Revelations. We're all too focused on carrying out the mission of Christ here on Earth. You know, that whole feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, comforting the afflicted thing? What Christians who don't have TV shows really care about?

But Hey! If Rick wants to volunteer to take a dose of Ebola, we'll be right their to make his last hours as comfortable as possible. Of course having blood ooze out of every oriface will make that a little difficult...

There was a certain German leader who thought he was doing a good thing by speeding Darwin's natural selection process along. This doesn't seem that far off from that line of thinking, other than the professor doesn't discrimate as to which humans should be eliminated. Although I would be willing to bet he thinks the best case would be that the "intellectuals" should remain to rebuild.

No thanks if being intellectual means you think like this...

"Good terrorists would be taking [Ebola Roaston and Ebola Zaire] so that they had microbes they could let loose on the Earth that would kill 90 percent of people."

Terrorists who wipe out billions = Good. HUH??

Doesn't UT have a couple of other professors that are way out there on the moonbat scale? I mean even more than the usually professorial moonbattery. Jensen, comes to mind.

Kermit:

Who is more likely to vote Republican:

a. an avid reader of 'Left Behind' and a fan of TV preachers or

b. or a Lutheran "focused on carrying out the mission of Christ here on Earth. You know, that whole feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, comforting the afflicted thing".

Andrew Sullivan mentioned this Monday. Initially, he saw this as more evidence that the far right and the far left have certain things in common.

In his next post, Sullivan reprints a reader email and suggests that readers get a little more background info before jumping to conclusions.

http://time.blogs.com/daily_dish/2006/04/email_of_the_da.html

http://austringer.net/wp/?p=253

Who is more likely to vote Republican:

a. an avid reader of 'Left Behind' and a fan of TV preachers or

b. or a Lutheran "focused on carrying out the mission of Christ here on Earth. You know, that whole feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, comforting the afflicted thing".

MY ANSWER IS:

c. both

While an imminent demise of humanity would be a bad thing, it does foretell that I won't have to deal with the hassle of fixing my garage door.

Bill Bennet, private citizen, made a flippant remark a few months ago about the link between the legal aborting of black babies and the crime rate. The lefties in the blogosphere pummeled him, not because his remark was not factual, but because it was racist. See http://thgeneral.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/3/25/2531/68037

An evolutionary biology prof at UT texas, a taxpayer subsidized institution, named as the 2006 Distinguished Texas Scientist by the Texas Academy of Science, calls for the death by agonizing disease of 90% of humanity. Apparently he believes that science has pushed him to this conclusion.

Kos, so quick to join the pile-on Bennet, is strangely silent.
I guess you can't call it genocide if you don't discriminate in mass murder.

Mitch, you and your readers have once again shown yourselves far too gullible. You appear to believe everything every fool has to say, especially if it comes from the Drudge Report.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but here's an interview with the scientist in question:

http://www.kxan.com/Global/story.asp?S=4720390

Here's more from one of the more established biology blogs:

http://www.pandasthumb.org/archives/2006/04/forrest_mims_cr.html

He isn't calling for the end of the world; he's reporting on what he's seen in his research. He's also the victim of some evolution-denying jealous fool who couldn't get into grad school.

But go ahead and repeat the nasty untruth. But when the time comes for flu shots, make sure you and your family get the one from ten years ago. After all, that virus can't have evolved because that evolution stuff is just a theory put out by the Godless left wing.

NOb,

"But go ahead and repeat the nasty untruth."

And you go ahead and parrot the counterspin!

" But when the time comes for flu shots, make sure you and your family get the one from ten years ago. After all, that virus can't have evolved because that evolution stuff is just a theory put out by the Godless left wing."

Er, go to the "Search" box on this blog and type "evolution".

Then slowly eat your little stereotype.

"MY ANSWER IS:

c. both"

Thanks, Brad. I'm not as quick to stereotype as our bigot friends on the left.

Yes AC, that was a joke.

"And you go ahead and parrot the counterspin!"

It's not all spin Mitch. I know people mired deep in politics can sometimes lose sight of this, but occasionally there are things called "truth" that are discoverable. Usually they're complicated things, and not conducive to soundbites or slogans.

Sure, Pianka seems inflammatory and presents uncomfortable ideas. From all accounts, he has a dark sense of humor, and this shows when he talks about his ideas of how humanity (like many other species through the years) may come to a screeching halt. We aren't somehow "special" and immune to the same forces that work on every other animal on the planet. His, and other ecologists' ideas, are probably worth looking at and assessing. That's what good science does.

I've never attended a Pianka lecture. I'd never heard of him prior to this week's brouhaha. But with just a little bit of critical examination of the issue, you can see that a) Pianka clearly isn't advocating the conscious extermination of 90% of humanity, b) Mims has a serious axe to grind and perhaps isn't the most trustworthy witness, and c) the anti-academic right is feeding on this to ludicrous dimensions.

Right. The man is not advocating intentional genocide. Duly noted -- and those who say he is should correct themselves.
He is, however, saying that a mass die-off of humans would not be a bad thing... a statement to be judged on its merits.
However, to those like RickDFL who think that the GOP is the party of religious zealots I would say that modern day doomsday 'Ecology' has become a fundamentalist religion in and of itself, with its own inarguable Holy Script (Rachel Carson, etc.), its own communion (macrobiotic organic vegan), and its own End Times prophecies (Population Bomb, Global Warming, etc.)... which, like the end time prophecies of Christian zealots are always, always wrong (hello Paul Erlich).

Jeff, I certainly don't want to tar Pianka unfairly. Hence, I posted the link to his response.

"a) Pianka clearly isn't advocating the conscious extermination of 90% of humanity,"

Duly noted. But saying the *unconscious* death of that same 90% isn't a bad thing makes it, to my thinking, a distinction without much of a difference.

" b) Mims has a serious axe to grind and perhaps isn't the most trustworthy witness,"

Perhaps - but it seems there might be a reason for that axe.

"c) the anti-academic right is feeding on this to ludicrous dimensions."

I kind of object to the term "anti-academic right". Too much of academia tries to hide lunacy behind the "academic" banner - and then bitches that their critics are "anti-academic" (or fascist) when their critics try to call them on it.

Maybe instead of "conscious" I should have said "intentional". We can't know what Pianka believes "unconsciously". Besides, look at the statements for what they are, from the perspective of a zoologist. There are aspects of human die-off that would not be a "bad thing" from the perspective of some threatened species. Or from the perspective of preserving habitats we seem hell-bent on gutting. It most certainly could be a "bad thing" for those that died, and likely for the survivors whose way of life has been horribly disrupted. Seriously, if you can't think critically about an issue without going all hatemongery, we're in a lot more trouble than Pianka thinks we are.

I suspect -- although I can't know because I'm not an expert on the topic -- that Pianka is overstating the case. That doesn't mean there aren't serious lessons to take from his studies. Population doomsayers like him have been wrong in the past, but they were wrong because technology changed the equation, not necessarily that the basic equation was wrong. That's a major distinction that gets lost by the poo-pooers of over-population theories.

Regarding "anti-academic right"... there certainly is a faction on the right that is kneejerk against academics, science, and advanced learning in general. It often seems to run in evangelical circles, but not always. There are similar factions on the left, but that isn't the breeding ground of this particular frenzy. There shouldn't be anything about academia that makes them immune to cricism, so long as the critics actually know what they are talking about. Death threats over ideas are a bit much, however.

The Sequin-Gazette (who had a reporter there) just published a transcript of the speech:

http://seguingazette.com/story.lasso?tool=print&ewcd=3817403731ee3d74

Needless to say, there’s a world of difference between the transcript and Sims’ account of what was actually said. Which probably explain why pretty much everyone else who attended the lecture and has gone on the record about what happens, directly contradict what Sims has said.

Mitch, rather than being upset with Pianka OVER SOMETHING THAT HE NEVER SAID, we ought to be royally pissed off that (a) an a$$hole like Forrest Mims smeared someone and (b) so many on our side of the aisle were so quick to believe this smear because it fit within their own worldview over what they think is the dominant culture within many universities.

FTR I don’t agree with Pianka’s views on overpopulation (which BTW if anyone reads the frigging transcript are that he is concerned that a pandemic is a more likely problem because of overpopulation NOT that he favors a pandemic to deal with overpopulation) and he has lashed out (somewhat understandably so) at the political “right” for this hatchet job. We do our own side more harm than good by piling on to say nothing of the harm to the country and scientific inquiry in general when we allow this sort of garbage to go on unchallenged or worse, perpetuated by people on our side of the aisle.

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