Mitch,
Are you suggesting that there is some sort of "intalligent design" behind Mirecki's story?

intelligent design. Must be Monday.

"goodness knows that accepting things purely on faith with no empirical evidence would be wrong, wouldn't it?"

Yes Mitch... It would be wrong but it sure seemed to be enough for Michele Bachman supporters doesn't it...

By the way Mitch, if were really concerned with falsified reports, maybe we need to look a little closer at the alleged "interview" that you link to.

First, Mr. Adams states that he called Miricki's office seeking an interview. Adams doesn't state that he did in fact "interview" the Professor although he certainly leaves the impression that he did.

From all we know, the interview consisted of Adams leaving the questions on Miricki's voice mail to which Miricki didn't respond.

I have contacted Miricki's office for clarification about this interview and am looking forward to hearing his response.

Lastly, if Miricki did in fact speak to Adams and told him he couldn't comment about an ongoing investigation and Adams didn't report that in his piece, he just broke a handful of journalistic ethics rules.

No comment, eh? Pretty damning, Mitch.

If you link to the article, it turns out Prof. Mirecki declined to answer *any* of Adams's questions, including:

"Did the two men who allegedly beat you by the side of the road have “big, fat faces”? Did they assault you with any weapons including, but not limited to, food products?"

I don't know the first thing about Mirecki. He may well beat his wife, steal from the poor box and even vote for Democrats. But this silly Town Hall posting adds nothing to anyone's understanding.

I don't know anything about Adams, either, except what's in his Town Hall bio:

"After his involvement in a well publicized free speech controversy in the wake of the 911 terror attacks, Adams became a vocal critic of the diversity movement in academia. After making appearances on shows like Hannity and Colmes, the O’Reilly Factor, and Scarborough Country, Adams was asked to write a column for Townhall.com."

Gee, so why would a professor who got hounded out of his job for insulting fundamentalist Christians decline to answer contentious questions from a self-styled conservative academic gadfly (who happens to be...wait for it...a fundamentalist Christian)?

No comment.

Mitch says it's an e-mail in the first graph... what's more Adams has several columns in the form of an e-mail message... and to top it off, the first question Adams writes ("Will you consent to a brief interview?") has the response, "No comment" as well.

Doesn't look like anyone's really hiding anything, Doug.

"No comment, eh? Pretty damning, Mitch. "

Not necessarily. Just interesting.

I mean, Mirecki's statement is germane, right?

Here's a news story (not commentary) about the prof's troubles from Kansas:
http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2005/dec/10/professor_blasts_ku_sheriffs_investigation/?ku_news
A few quotes from the article:
"[Mirecki] said he was interviewed by officers several times, “once for five hours straight. They keep asking me the same things over and over. They seized my car; they entered my office and seized my computer. They said they need them for their investigation but it didn’t make any sense to me.”"

Towards the end of the article Mirecki is quoted again:

“The University has a duty, as a protector of intellectual honesty and debate, to support its teaching staff when controversial issues are raised . . .”

Keeping in mind the part about "The University has a duty, as a protector of intellectual honesty and debate . . ." read this quote from the listserv post that started the ruckus:

The fundies want it all taught in a science class, but this will be a nice slap in their big fat face by teaching it as a religious studies class under the category “mythology”.

And check out his sign off to the email that started the contraversy:

Doing my part to p*ss of the religious right,

Evil Dr. P.

The left's heroes are people like Chomsky, Mumia, Tookie Wilson, and now this guy. I don't think that it's the evil Karl Rove who is costing them votes of the middle and working class.

I'm not sure what statement you're referring to. Am I missing something? The piece looks like a list of the questions Adams would have asked Mirecki if he'd gotten him on the phone.

Even if Mirecki did respond "no comment," what the heck does that tell us about anything? The same day a guy gets fired for making controversial statements, he declines an interview with a guy who's clearly got a position on the issue already - no surprise there.

Moreover, it's a little hard to believe Mirecki even returned the e-mail. Adams is unclear on the point.

Do we really think that, just hours before being forced out of his job, Mirecki would have actually responded to Adams's e-mail, scrupulously answering "No comment" to each question? Can you imagine what the guy's in-box must have looked like? A couple hundred interview requests and a couple thousand pieces of hate mail maybe? And he's spending his last day at work answering Adams's e-mail, much less writing "No comment" to each item?

There's no question, when a guy is involved in an odd incident like the one Mirecki recounts - with him as the only witness we're aware of - a fair person would want to ask some questions before believing the story. But Adams didn't get any answers from the guy - he doesn't advance the story an inch.

Another Mirecki quote:
"“The University penalized me and denied me my Constitutionally protected right to speak and express my mind,” he wrote in a statement prepared for the newspaper. “I’ve become radioactive and the University’s administrators won’t support me.”"

This was a PREPARED statement. From a humanities professor. This guy grades term papers and marks students down for poor sentence construction, badly used metaphors etc.

Adams is a columnist... he's merely pointing out some interesting questions. His style, if you read other columns of his, is laden with sarcasm.

He is not a reporter.

The jobs are different, AngryClown. He isn't expected or required to advance the story. However, I'm not so sure that he doesn't advance the story... considering the questions he asks.

Just to spell it out... even though his column is written in the style of an e-mail message, he's not asking questions of Mirecki. He's throwing those questions out for his readers to see... these are the questions we want to see answers to.

You never know... this whole story might just very well turn out to be ask Mirecki says. It probably is... after all, what kind of jackass would fake that kind of stuff?

Good point Terry. People who don't express themselves well shouldn't be in positions of authority. It certainly makes one wonder: "Is our children learning?"

Badda-Blogger: Do you injest illegal drugs, not limited to crack, before posting?

Badda-Blogger: No comment.

after all, what kind of jackass would fake that kind of stuff?

Posted by Badda-Blogger at December 12, 2005 10:19 AM

Evil Dr. P?

In an article about Mirecki's resignation I was amused to learn that there is a "KU Society of Open-Minded Atheists and Agnostics."
From their web site: "SOMA is the only student group at KU that is devoted to advancing a nonreligious worldview and to challenging religious dogma and the groups that advocate it."
They sound very open-minded toward the idiots who believe in God.
As an agnostic conservative I always find it ironic that secular academics who trash fundamentalist Christians as mouth breathing rednecks are open-minded, while fundy Christians are intolerant of opposing views.
As for Mirecki's claims of assault, we have all seen what a few idiots can do, and we have all seen faked claims... the truth will come out in time. He claims to have pulled over on the side of the road to let the guys go past, but the other car stopped behind him and he 'made the mistake' of getting out. He should have some good info on make & model of car, etc. that will help in the investigation.
I'm agnostic on the subject at this point.

"But Adams didn't get any answers from the guy - he doesn't advance the story an inch."

But he introduced a side to the discussion that many readers had not heretofore seen.

"self-styled conservative academic gadfly (who happens to be...wait for it...a fundamentalist Christian)?"

What, Mirecki should hold out for an agnostic Jew?

The First Amendment applies to "Fundies" too.

Badda-Blogger: Hey AngryClown, when will you actually make a sensible and reasoned point?

Angry Clown: No comment.

(one can only hope... that is.)

AC, Adams asks useful questions. You on the other hand spill a non sequitor all over your keyboard and hope it sounds funny.

Don't quit your day job, son. ;)

Badda, courtesy prevents me from sharing my speculations about your parentage, but I can assure you that you are not my father. In the future, please limit your use of the word "son" to denote the strange man/beast creatures resulting from your unnatural copulation with the unlucky inmates of the Minneapolis Zoo.

"Minneapolis Zoo"

Friggin' tourist. There IS no "Minneapolis Zoo".

Well, aside from City Council.

Some of whom might be the result of exactly the act AC describes, now that you mention it...

AC,
In writing your recent post you fulfilled my hypothetical Question and Answer post. Thanks! lol

Regarding my calling you son, it doesn't mean you are my kid, kid. Understand, son? ;)

(That said, I suggest you avoid playing poker... you *never* show your hand, son... er, kid, um... pallie.)

"Minneapolis Zoo"

Friggin' tourist. There IS no "Minneapolis Zoo".

Don't they have one down around Hennepin & Lake?
I drove thru there last summer...

Kermit,
I gotta say Hennepin and Lake counts, but Mitch is right... the Minneapolis City Council leads. ;)

Angry Clown wrote-
"Good point Terry. People who don't express themselves well shouldn't be in positions of authority. It certainly makes one wonder: "Is our children learning?""
Actually I was thinking about including that line in my post to demonstrate the double standard of the left.
And if you read what I wrote carefully you'll notice that I did not say the problem with Mirecki's writing was that he was in "a position of authority" but that he was a humanities professor. It's his job to speak and write clearly. George Bush's job is to lead the country politically which requires different skills.
Nitwit. The left has to use ad hominem attacks and strawman arguments because without them they'd have to shut up.

A day without PB is like a day without your bipolar neighbor screaming in the alley at 2AM.

Mitch,

Where do you draw this conclusion from;

"There seems to be a wave of academics who believe that ethics is secondary to message?" Beyond that, what are you trying to say, as this is so vague as to be meaningless.

BTW - Scored pretty well off the charts on reading comp, so I'm sure you weren't directing that at me. Regarding your last post, your issue was that YOU weren't clear - or rather you were sufficiently vague that because you WANTED to be vague - that inferring you were trying to deflect criticism was a valid conclusion.

In this case, IF he made up his assualt, then he's scum. Is there evidence he did? It appears there is evidence he was assualted - self-inficted is another question. As you were the one who argued SO strenuously against jumping to conclusions, I'd suggest you not.

Now, back to ethics getting in the way of message, yeah, I thiink intelligent design pretty well covers that view. Evidence is overwhelmingly supportive of natural selection, evidence, including the science upon which your computer is able to determine time, overwhelmingly rejects many of the fundamental precepts of intelligent design (at least the fundamentalist view of ID), but hey, don't let ethics like surviving challenge, standing up for scientific principle, or even consistency in your application of technology get in the way of your "message."

If you're suggesting that they KNOW that ID is true, or that Christianity is ethical or right to support, and yet argue against it, I'd question how you could possibly argue such a thing, you HARDLY know what is in their hearts. Also, while Christianity is pretty pure good stuff, it's application both within, and without our borders has been anything but, historically.

PB

badda said,

"Mitch says it's an e-mail in the first graph..."

I wonder why Mitch would say that considering Adams never claimed it was an e-mail.

I called Mitch at his office today in an effort to explain why.

Q: Mitch, in this mornings blog entry, Questions for Mirecki, you indicate that Mike Adams sent an email to professor Mirecki yet in the column Adams published, he indicates that he had called the Professor. Do you have inside information that was acquired during a sexual encounter with Mike Adams?

A: No Comment.

Well... Interesting eh?

Developing

Yeah Terry, President of the USA doesn't require communication skills. If Bush had half the speaking ability of Clinton or Reagan, he'd be in danger of busting through that stratispheric 40% approval rating.

Also, get yourself a name that isn't a chick's name, 'kay?

Anybody who calls himself 'angry clown' has no right to knock my moniker. I'll meet you in the teacher's parking lot at recess and we'll settle this.
Oh, and "Yeah Terry, President of the USA doesn't require communication skills." is another straw man. If you knew anything about history you'd know that Eisenhower -- you know, the guy who won WW2 in Europe and was twice president of the US during the longest period of peace and prosperity we'd ever known -- had a speaking style that sometimes made W look eloquent.

Um, Doug? Mitch says Adams' piece is an email because, well, it starts: "Dear Professor Mirecki (PMirecki@ku.edu):" It is clearly written as a follow-up to an unsuccessful phone call. He goes on to say, "I am WRITING, in part, to help you find the men responsible for this beating."
I can see how the whole email address and "I am writing..." part would make it difficult for you to determine that this might be an EMAIL. Care to comment?
The best timing of the day award goes to K-Dog:
A day without PB is like a day without your bipolar neighbor screaming in the alley at 2AM.
Posted by K-Dog at December 12, 2005 05:28 PM
... followed immediately by a semi-coherent screed by PB, right on schedule.
PB -- is an assault really an assault if it's self inflicted?

"Anybody who calls himself 'angry clown' has no right to knock my moniker. I'll meet you in the teacher's parking lot at recess and we'll settle this."

I keep telling people; don't take the Clown *that* seriously. I keep warning youse. I try. I really do.

Terry bleated: "...you know, the guy who won WW2 in Europe and was twice president of the US during the longest period of peace and prosperity we'd ever known..."

Compare and contrast, history genius.

Look AC -- you keep picking on me and I'll take you off my prayer list. I'm not kidding.

"Compare and contrast, history genius."

Hm. Ike had J. Edgar Hoover, a CIA that operated with absolute impunity (and was on his side) and boundless discretion.

Also, his predecessors were serious about the wars they were in. Unlike Bush's.

Compare and contrast!

Terry preached: "Look AC -- you keep picking on me and I'll take you off my prayer list. I'm not kidding."

Happy Holidays!

Keep Saturn in Saturnalia

Some of the questions reveal a serious lack of familiarity with local conditions.

For example, Adams asks several questions about the "visors" worn by the men who did the "alleged" beating.

What the hell is a visor? It sounds as if Adams means one of those open-top eye-shades favored by women tennis players. Come on, Mike, you think Mirecki claims two men were wearing tennis visors at 6:30 in the morning on some road in Kansas? You think this is a "gotcha" point?

They were ball caps, obviously. Probably with seed corn logos. Worn properly, with visors to the front and no "do" rags underneath.

So now Adams has to ask why they were wearing seed corn ball caps at 6:30 in the morning when there was no need to screen their eyes from the sun? Huh, huh? Gotcha, huh?

Mike, you ever been in rural Kansas? Rural ANYWHERE? People wear their caps from the time they get out of bed until they get back in again. Far from revealing Mirecki as a liar, you reveal yourself as an idiot.

Geez, what a pathetic set of cross-examination questions. Hindrocket, call your office.

.

So all of his questions are null and void because Mirecki calls a cap a visor?

You might have some more work ahead of you Nathan.

chriss said,

"I can see how the whole email address and "I am writing..." part would make it difficult for you to determine that this might be an EMAIL. Care to comment?"

Why yes chriss, yes I would as a matter of fact...

Mr. Adams states that he called Mirecki's office seeking an interview. Adams actually never says it was an unsuccessful phone call does he... In fact, Adams doesn't mention anything about the phone call other than he made it.

The reader is left with the impression that Mirecki or someone at his office didn't allow that interview to happen.

Let's explore one potential scenario shall we?

"Hi. I'm Mike Adams. I'd like to ask you a few questions about the alleged beating ok?"

"I'm sorry Mr. Adams. Police are investigating this and I am not at liberty to comment about an ongoing criminal investigation."

Of course, Adams wouldn't have much of a one-sided, strawman laden piece if he would have disclosed to us WHY he couldn't conduct the interview via the phone would he?

So chriss, here we have 1 lie based on the omission of information.

Next, Adams goes on to suggest that he wrote Mirecki to conduct the interwiew and not so subtly leaves the impression that the Professor responds with the words, no comment.

Let's explore this further ok? For example...

The Q: indicated in Adam's "interview" is meant to indicate for the reader the QUESTION he askes Mirecki... With me so far...? Good.

The A: indicated in Adam's "interview" is meant to indicate for the reader the ANSWER or the response given by Mirecki...

Here's the question I asked, here's the answer I got...

Adams could have instead used "A: No response", which would have been at least slightly more honest but he chose to offer the reader the impression that Mirecki refused to comment to a direct question.

Adams even goes the extra mile in ending the "interview" with a personal thank you to Mirecki for allowing the time for the "interview" and an update that - "Just hours after his exhaustive interview with Dr. Adams..." furthering the impression that this was a real interwiew.

Obviously, as with the alleged phone call, we don't know if Adams actually sent a letter to Mirecki or not or whether Mirecki received any thing from Adams.

Again let's just play one other approach Adams could have taken at TownHall.com just for fun ok?

"I tried to conduct and interview with Professor Mirecki and he wouldn't respond to any of my questions. Here are the question that I would have asked him if he would have allowed an interview..."

So what we have here is, by my count, 19 lies of comission for a total of 20 lies in Adams little faux interview.

Now chriss, here is the point of my rather pedantic response. Adams is intentionally reporting information that is false and misleading. Stlye and voice are irrelevent in this situation because the same questions could have been raised without misrepresenting the events.

So chriis, in conclusion, Adams was relaying or bearing witness to things that didn't happen. In other words, Adams was bearing false witness.

Let's go back to Adams opening paragraph...

"First, let me say that as a fundamentalist Christian...,"

Do you fail to see the irony here or should I give another example...?

Oh, what the hell...

From the Lawrence Journal...

""Kansas University professor Paul Mirecki’s official apology for writing an e-mail disparaging religious fundamentalists hasn’t calmed the firestorm surrounding his plans to teach intelligent design in a religious studies class.

“If a person has hate in his heart and says something hateful and later apologizes, do you think the hatred in his heart has been mended?” State Sen. Kay O’Connor, R-Olathe, said Tuesday. “I’m surprised that something more severe isn’t happening to this teacher who obviously has a hatred for Christians.”"

OK chriss, can you tell me what's ironic about this?

Is getting the sh*t beaten out of you severe enough for Sen. Kay O'Connor?

It's been a few years since I studied the Words of Jesus but I don't recall him saying if someone appologizes for wronging you or causing harm, you should refuse to forgive them and then you should kick the sh*t out of them on the side of the road.

I didn't read Mirecki's original email that started this whole mess but if he in anyway suggested that some fundamentalist Christians are phony self-serving hypocrites, I certainly would have to side with him.

Watch your back, PB... someone's moving in on your turf!

Hardly, I only have the luxury of expounding ad-infinitem because I took the morning off after working into the wee hours last night.

Besides, I could never hope to match PB well reasoned and articulate points. My time availability often limits me to drive-by snipes and good natured snarkism.

How long did you have to work last night?

It was close to 3 am and at my advanced age, I can't recouperate (sp?) like I used to.

I seem to be in the same boat... I can hardly recover from lack of sleep anymore.

Surely, you enjoyed a relaxing drink when you got home.

Doug -- you are more than a match for PB in making reasoned and articulate points. You actually make sense!

Let's not get crazy, Chriss... he makes more sense than PB, but he's still a left-leaner. ;)

Also, Doug clearly understands word economy... and should be commended for it.

"Surely, you enjoyed a relaxing drink when you got home."

Nope. I don't drink and I was actually doing quarterly taxes. I was already home... Self-employment isn't necessarily all it's cracked up to be.

You don't drink anything? I said relaxing drink, not necessarily booze. Some folks relax with coffee or cola. You know... pour your preference and relax for a few minutes before the television, radio, or computer (or even a book). That sort of thing.

Maybe Doug understood you and he means he doesn't drink anything. He could be a robot.

Or a recovering vampire.

...or like Dean Martin:

"I don't drink anymore, I freeze it now and eat it like a popsicle."

Nope. I don't drink anything. I have a permanent I.V. in my right arm and I carry around a 24 hour supply of La Minita Peaberry in a slow drip bottle.

From Michele Malkin's column today:

http://www.townhall.com/opinion/columns/michellemalkin/2005/12/14/178998.html

(This is the last graph)
None of this smells right.

The truth is there are too many cases of hate crime hoaxers on campuses -- a phenomenon most left-leaning journalists are loathe to cover -- to dismiss the possibility in this case. Last year, Claremont McKenna College professor Kerri Dunn was sentenced to prison after she staged an anti-Semitic hate crime against herself. Earlier this year, a lesbian student at Mt. Tamalpais High School in Marin County, Calif., faked several anti-gay incidents to garner attention and sympathy. Leah Miller, a black student at San Francisco State University, admitted to scratching "NIGG" on a dorm room door and writing herself a note with the same epithet. Jaime Alexander Saide, a Northwestern University student, admitted making up anti-Hispanic threats against himself after the school rallied around him with "Stop the Hate" marches.

Strange, isn't it, how leftists on campus who sneer at blind faith are so often fooled by it themselves.

I don't dismiss the possibility that the guy's a fraud, Badda. But maybe you should have more than a vague suspicion before dragging out a handful of incidents and declaring a trend.

AC, when you say "maybe you should have more than a vague suspicion", to whom are you refering?

Mitch, Adams, Malkin, me, some of the other guys?

I think it's fair to say that all of the folks I mentioned have all tend to agree that this could very well be on the up an up, but it has small parts that look odd.

(Not that there isn't a trend.)

By the way, I'm not saying you don't agree with us... just that you're wrong. Whatever it is you're saying. ;)

I'm reminded of Phil Parlock who brought his daughter to a Kerry rally and staged a violent exchange with Kerry supporters - something Parlock had done on at least two other occasions.

And yes, before you respond, the "union thug" IS the spitting image of Parlocks adult son.

Also, it's worth reminding folks that while it was against the rally's regulations to bring in anti-Kerry signs - to avoid confrontation and heated exchanges - Parlock managed to sneak in 12 Bush / Cheney signs stuffed in his socks.

Andrew is President of Society for Open Minded Athiests and Agnostics (KUSOMA) - which was the group that had the email list where Mirecki posted the controversial email. I have talked with Andrew Stangl and will be writing the interview up later this week. Andrew told me that Mirecki is not talking to journalists - and he gets tons of email, so I'm not surprised he chose not to respond to the blogger you link to.

Mirecki made the onion by the way:

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/43467

When I posted about Mirecki getting beaten up on the list, Real Abortion Debate, a so-called "christian" on the list responded:

"He should be beaten up. There isn't a shred of evidence providing proof for evolution while there is overwhelming evidence for intelligent design."

Well this made the onion:

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/43467

I posted about Mirecki's beating on the Real Abortion Debate list - managed by the guy who got the Culture and Family Institute to write a hit piece on me that Swiftee likes to quote from).

Here's what I posted:

Since this occured, some anti-evolutionists have beaten him up.

Eva
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/12/5/23125/9494 (plus full text of the Kos post)

Anyway, here was the response from the manager of the list:

"He should be beaten up. There isn't a shred of evidence providing proof for evolution while there is overwhelming evidence for intelligent design.

You want to debate the topic, step up to the plate."

EY: I've interviewed Andrew Stengl from SOMA (the group that had the listserv where Mirecki posted his controversial email). Andrew told me Mirecki isn't doing interviews.

I'm curious how Mitch will react should the his theory about Mirecki's beating be false. Will he appologise to Mirecki? Will Michele Malkin appologise to Mirecki? Doesn't it seem a bit over the top for Malkin to call the hospital to ask for medical information about Mirecki?

Eva Young
Lloydletta's Nooz
http://lloydletta.blogspot.com
Dump Michele Bachmann
http://dumpbachmann.blogspot.com

Eva,

For starters, I have no "theory" about Mirecki. *Twice*, I said I'd await some actual word from law enforcement about what happened - while pointing out the *fact* that a slew of lefties have faked hate crimes against themselves lately.

What's with posting the Kos link? All it does is credulously parrot Mirecki's story, note for note - which is fine, but what does it add to the discussion?

I remember when the Onion was funny...

Mitch, Until we know more, most would assume that Mirecki's story is true. It seems to me that Mirecki would need an accomplice to cause the injuries he got.

One of the state senators who has been strongly critical of Mirecki in Kansas condemned the Mirecki beating. Why can't you?

"Mitch, Until we know more, most would assume that Mirecki's story is true."

I have never assumed it wasn't. I have said, twice, I'll wait for law enforcement and the legal system to rule on it. Unlike certain other bloggers, who leaped to judgement with no word other than Mirecki's.

"It seems to me that Mirecki would need an accomplice to cause the injuries he got."

Nah.

"One of the state senators who has been strongly critical of Mirecki in Kansas condemned the Mirecki beating."

He's a politician.

" Why can't you?"

I did. Twice. I condemn WHOMEVER carried out the beating.

Just saying that there are legitimate questions to be asked of Mirecki. (Or does being an anti-"Fundie" exempt one from questions)

MB "Mitch, Until we know more, most would assume that Mirecki's story is true."

I have never assumed it wasn't. I have said, twice, I'll wait for law enforcement and the legal system to rule on it. Unlike certain other bloggers, who leaped to judgement with no word other than Mirecki's.

EY: You are being disingenuous here. With no evidence (beyond stories of other false reports) you are suggesting this is a false report.

Thoughts from Kansas a good response to the nonsense spouted by the "he must have made it up" crowd:

http://jgrr.blogspot.com/2005/12/blame-victim.html

There's a photo of Mirecki with the bruises here:

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2005/dec/10/professor_blasts_ku_sheriffs_investigation/?city_local

"You are being disingenuous here. With no evidence (beyond stories of other false reports) you are suggesting this is a false report."

No. In your boundless zeal to see those who oppose you as base and bigoted, you are suggesting that I am suggesting that it's a false report. I am urging caution. Nothing more.

You can try to jam all the words in my mouth you want, Eva. You're still wrong.

It wouldn't *surprise* me if Mirecki faked the assault - but all I'm saying is "refrain from judging until the facts are known".

That includes people like PZ Meyers and his ilk, whose bigotry led them to snap judgement.

Quick, Eva! Post the entire thread in your blog!

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