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December 01, 2005

Everyone Take A Deep Breath

Yesterday, Kennedy Vs. The Machine discovered that their old archives had been hacked:

We checked our email this afternoon to find several notes from friends informing us that a blog called MN Publius — which champions the Amy Klobuchar for Senate campaign — has seemingly deleted the archives and manipulated content at our previous blog domain Dayton v. Kennedy (you may click on the link in our side bar to view). Dayton v. Kennedy, you may recall, was highlighted in several national publications including the Wall Street Journal, National Journal and New Republic and was hosted on Blogger, a property of Google. As you might imagine, it was not pleasant having months of work destroyed. Presumably sometime this afternoon, based on their giggly post, Publius erased 7 months of archives and replaced our post which redirected readers from our old blog to this one:
The start of a knock-down, drag-out scandal?

Enh. Probably not. While I've never had the greatest of regard for MNPublius as a blog - ironically, I posted about them for the first time yesterday - they apparently have an explanation:

Today I discovered that the old Dayton v. Kennedy blogger account had gone unused for such a period that it was up for grabs by anyone with a blogger account. In what I thought would amount to little more than a practical joke, I claimed the up-for-grabs site and put up a post ridiculing the Dayton v. Kennedy blog. What I did not realize is that in doing so the archives would be removed from the site. For this I am truly sorry...To Doug, Andy, First Ringer, and yes, even Gary, I apologize for this mess. It was not intended to be anything more than a friendly jest. My intentions were innocent but the consequences were unfortunate.
In the attached comments it's noted that one of the MNPub's writers has tried to reconstruct KVM's archives from the Google cache.

Hopefully, that's that.

It's been an interesting week in Minnesota blogging, starting with Inside Minnesota Politics' pseudo-legal gamesmanship, ending (?) with this.

It'll be good to have an actual race to write about.

Posted by Mitch at December 1, 2005 05:48 AM | TrackBack
Comments

Democrats are becoming desensitized. They knew this was someone elses' work and yet they thought a "pie in the face" practicsl joke was acceptable. Why?

I am reminded that it is not that big a step from burning books to burning people once burning books is acceptable.

Posted by: Max at December 1, 2005 10:07 AM

Max, this was a joke gone bad. Technically, they did nothing that was against any rules. D v K erred in not keeping their subscription up to date and need to take some responsibility in what happened. In the same way MDE cybersquatted on campaign domains that Democratic campaigns had failed to secure. I assume you were as disheartened by MDE's actions as well, then!

It is clear that MNPublius in no way wanted to destroy anyone's work. They have admitted that they did not find what happened acceptable and have done everything they could to restore the lost work. The writers at K v M have accepted his apology in the sincerity it was delivered. Mitch has as well.

It's good to be a Minnesota Blogger!

Flash

Posted by: Flash at December 1, 2005 11:03 AM

"Technically, they did nothing that was against any rules. D v K erred in not keeping their subscription up to date and need to take some responsibility in what happened."

So we can blame the victim now?

" In the same way MDE cybersquatted on campaign domains that Democratic campaigns had failed to secure. I assume you were as disheartened by MDE's actions as well, then!"

Pre-emptive domaining is rough and tumble, but it's not the same as hacking and publishing "black" parody on a site someone has already established.

That being said...

"It is clear that MNPublius in no way wanted to destroy anyone's work. They have admitted that they did not find what happened acceptable and have done everything they could to restore the lost work."

And for that I credit them.

Posted by: mitch at December 1, 2005 12:20 PM

"D v K erred in not keeping their subscription up to date and need to take some responsibility in what happened."

By that rationale, if someone break into my home and steals my TV, and I had the door locked but not deadbolted, it's my fault.

And cyber-squatting is annoying and juvenile, but it's claiming property that doesn't belong to anyone. D v K already had an owner.

And while they may feel bad about it now, they still did it. Feel bad because of what they did...or that they got caught doing it.

Posted by: Kevin at December 1, 2005 12:35 PM

Geesh, Mitch. have a cup of coffee. Aren't you guys the one's harping on personal responsibility all the time, or does that only apply when you find it appropriate for your own spin. Go read Vox Day's post if you want to see how people transfer blame onto the victim

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2005/11/rape-myth.html

If MNPublius HACKed in with the intent of destroying the site, that's one thing. But this was no different then finding a dollar on the sidewalk at Horton Park. You leave it there long enough and someone will eventually pick it up and put it in their pocket. Fortunately, MNPublius is a stand up guy and went out of his way to replace that dollar, after he realized whose it was. If the actual dollar had special significance that is unfortunate, but the dollar was at least replaced. And most people would say 'Finders Keepers'

Flash

Posted by: Flash at December 1, 2005 12:38 PM

Flash, your analogy would be complete if you mentioned that your hypothetical dollar on the ground, also had a post-it note on it stating

"This is the property of Gary. It's here for a reason. I'll need it for my bus fare later on."

Your analogy WOULD match the cyber-squatting...even though you originally implied that was such a bad thing. Your double standard is showing.

Posted by: Kevin at December 1, 2005 12:46 PM

Flash,

Quit blowing B. S.

What's this fictional "subscription" Gary was supposed to have "kept up to date"? The site was on Blogger. It's a free hosting service. His assumption was that the site wouldn't be deleted unless he himself deleted it. He not only didn't delete it, he fully intended to keep it and linked to previous posts there are times from the new blog.

What action was Gary supposed to have taken to prevent someone from vandalising his site that's any different that what you've done with your own site?

Matt apologized. It was accepted. Why on earth people are running around saying there was nothing wrong with his vandalising in the first place is beyond me.

Posted by: Doug at December 1, 2005 12:53 PM

"By that rationale, if someone break into my home and steals my TV, and I had the door locked but not deadbolted, it's my fault."

Sorry, it wasn't their home anymore. It was abandoned, became Public domain, and then distributed on a first come first serve basis.

Your analogy fails the scenario.

I didn't think this would turn into a pissing contest. I don't want to undermine the true nature of Mitch's post, which was positive. So let's stick with what we can agree on. Regardless of the availablitiy of the name, the initial action was in poor form, the individual recognized that, apologized, and did everything in their power to fix it.

Flash

Posted by: Flash at December 1, 2005 01:06 PM

Doug,

From the Blogger ToS:

""9. TERMINATION You agree that Pyra, in its sole discretion, may terminate your password, BlogSpot Site, use of the Service or use of any other Pyra service, and remove and discard any Content within the Service, for any reason, including, without limitation, for lack of use or if Pyra believes that you have violated or acted inconsistently with the letter or spirit of the TOS.""

I guess the Lack of Use, or failure to login may apply here. We all know what happens when we assume.

I am not one of those running around saying there was nothing morally wrong, just that it is interesting that the party of Personal responsibilty is crying fowl cause they lost a piece of property to the Public Domain cause they failed to meet the terms of the ToS. Fortunately, for the most part, the Minnesota Blogosphere is full of honorable people. But you can bet I am running a full export and backup of my site very soon.

Flash

Posted by: Flash at December 1, 2005 01:36 PM

So Flash is "running a full export and backup" of his site "very soon". Don't worry Flash. We Republicans have better things to do than hacking you. It's called winning elections. And we're good at it. Besides, what we would probably find by way of hacking is an arrogant sense of smug superiority so typical of the left-wing. We don't want to delete that anytime soon. It's one of the reasons we win elections.

Posted by: Larry at December 1, 2005 08:28 PM

Well, thank gawd - according to Flash, there's no technical violation here, only a moral one.

Glad we cleared that up.

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