Here's a crazy thought... instead of "protesting the protesters"... maybe the entitled little snot-nosed brown shirts over at Protest Warrior could trot down to the Marine recruiting center and sign up.

Strawman doug, there are a lot of Vets in PW. Are you one? (FYI I am not but am a vet of the anti-vietnam protests in the early 70s who grew up)

PENALTY!

" entitled little snot-nosed brown shirts "

Class-baiting AND Nazi references in same sentence!

Commenter loses fifteen words, thread starts at first down.

Perhaps those entitled little dickweeds and their moron parents should move to North Korea. Sounds like it'd be more up their alley.

I'd be happy to drive them to the airport.

One of the cores of civil rights protest was the willingness to accept consequences for your actions (witness: MLK's Letters from a Birmingham Jail). Failing to accept responsibility, and looking for an easy "out" is no more acceptable on the left as it is within the current administration.

"Outside the Minneapolis School Board meeting, students will stand beside parents, community leaders, and elected officials to demand an end to military recruitment in our schools and to demand school districts across the Twin Cities do not punish or fail student who participate in the walkout."

So let me get this stright: half of the stated purpose of the demonstration is to protest the schools' rection to those engaging in the protest?

I wish I would've thought of that when I was in high school.

LF

PENALTY

"Perhaps those entitled little dickweeds and their moron parents should move to North Korea."

Class-baiting and tired, pathetic "America: love it or leave it" sentiment in the same sentence. Cancels out previous penalty. Repeat first down.

Fine. They can stay in the AmeriKKKa that they hate so badly.

They're still dickweeds, and five will get you ten that they're upper-middle class, college (over)educated and never served a day in the military.

Good thing I can't make it to their little party tomorrow.

Dougie, Dougie, Dougie...where should we start?

First, tell them to join the best, that being the Air Force (j/k).

Second, will you also being telling all those protesting the war that they should trot down to the local Peace Corps recruiting center and sign up, requesting to go to Iraq or Afghanistan? It's a pretty stupid argument, isn't it? Therefore, would you like to take back your first argument and try again? After all, we are replaying first down here.

Oops... Sorry...

How's this..?

Instead of "protesting the protesters"... maybe the fine young patriots over at Protest Warrior could trot down to the Marine recruiting center and sign up.

By the way, I know a few of them and they are all in College, (just barely) spend their time playing video games and getting drunk and can't understand why their parents are threatening to pull the plug.

I've also had several exchanges with Kfir back when PW was just getting started. Both he and Alan were film students. We began corresponding because I pointed out that they were violating BMI and ASCAP rules by using copyrighted material in their silly little videos. Also, for film majors, their "documentaries" at their site were absolutely astoundingly horrible. They look like something done by sixth graders - not college aged film majors.

If I remember correctly, I think they also made reference to their gear and editing capabilities.

Let's review shall we...? Crappy video/filmmakers with too much equipment and no talent protesting against anti-war protesters through provocation and insults.

Until I meet a Protest Warrior who's not a snot-nosed, entitled little puke, I stand by my generalization.

"Let's review shall we...? Crappy video/filmmakers with too much equipment and no talent protesting against anti-war protesters through provocation and insults."

Boy..your wife could show them a thing or two about making hot video's eh Dougie?

$3.95 gets you instant access and all the downloads you care to make baby!

I got the same alert from a genuine moonbat named "ty" who, shock of shocks, also happens to be the local contact moron for "Socialist Alternative".

I say get out the fire hoses and clean up those streets!

Hey Doug...

I'm a PW. I'm college educated. I'm also an educator.

I know many PWs who do not fit your broad-brushed description.

Care to punt again, jerk?

Wow, Doug - paint with a broad brush, much?

I know several PWs. None match your description.

I could say every "peace" protester I've ever met was a gapingly ill-informed cretin (and I'd be mostly accurate), but what's the point? All generalizations are false!

Except for the generalization that Protest Warriors win the satire war hands down.

Doug: I wipe my nose, don't own a brown shirt, and can engage in thoughtful discussions without a talking points crib sheet.

It sounds like you're one of life's losers who can only resort to name-calling instead of offering intelligent discourse. So, I'll stoop to your level in the spirit of satire: We don't want to talk to you no more, you empty-headed animal food trough wiper! Go away, or we will taunt you again. Thhhhpppptt!

Great rebuttal guys...

ne from a guys who makes insinuations about my wife doing prono and another from a guy who resorts to name calliing...

Why am I not suprized in the least that you are PW's

"Also, for film majors, their "documentaries" at their site were absolutely astoundingly horrible."

What?

You're telling me that an art student, while still in school, does work that isn't ready for Sundance?

Wow. That amazes me. Because *every other student film I've ever seen* has been a work of art that sent shivers of artistic joy up my spine.

No, seriously.

Doug,

I refute you thus: Every PW I've Ever Personally Met.

Your answer: sniff down your nose at student film projects, and flee back to logical fallacies about military service.

(Which are as phenomenally misapplied in this case as they are logically vacuous; the protest regards school board policy, not the war. Are you saying that one must be a Marine to protest school board policy?)

Oh, I missed this before; I'm the only referee in this blog. You wanna call penalties, get your own blog.

PW wins the satire war, which is damnation by faint praise in a sense; the left has no sense of humor.

(Yes, I've read their supposed "humor" blogs; I stand by my statement)

D Zanuck said,

"You're telling me that an art student, while still in school, does work that isn't ready for Sundance"

Ummmm... No... I didn't say that an art students work should be of the quality of a film at Sundance did I?

I said the quality of the pieces on their site was the quality of a sixth grader, not the quality of a film student in College. Geez.

Mitch,

Sniff down my nose at student film projects...?

Is that what those things at the Protest Warrior site are? Student film projects? I thought I was only commenting that students of film should be able to achieve something better than poorly shot, horribly edited, and laughably bad documentary video. The use of copyrighted music for the bed of their videos was the icing on the cake...

I wasn't critiquing them as such but since you clarified their intent for me... It's even worse than I first believed. I would expect to see better coming from Community access television.

Nancy,

If you can't get your Monty Python lines right, don't resort to them. It's, "Now, Go away, or we shall taunt you a second time"

and it's Thhhhhhppppppptt!, not Thhhhpppptt!

Sixth,

Until I meet a PW that doesn't fit the description, I stand by my assessment. And I would encourage any anti-war protesters to join the Peace Corps. In fact, my 16 y/o daughter who is a veteran anti-war protester is looking at joining the Peace Corps before she starts college. If she changed her mind and decided to join the military service, I would be 100% behind that decision as well. I wouldn't like to see her serving under a CIC like Bush but it would still be her decision and I would respect it.

Hearing(reading) conservatives complain about painting with a broad brush is somewhat akin to listening (seeing) a whore complain about the drug addicts dirtying up the streets.

Let's see shall we.. All liberals are traitors.. hmmm, that's not much of a generalization is it?

Anyway, having said that, Doug, it does not do any good to make ludicrous generalizations. Outside of the guilty pleasure you may get, the vast majority of these folks have:

a. No sense of humor and
b. No ability to see sarcasm and
c. No ability to see their own conduct

So all it leads it is complaints that you are doing what they do in spades. Beyond that, it's unfair and untrue. Now while most of them will never worry about staying on the higher ground, you unfortunately need to.

Frankly, most of the conservatives I know are horizontally expansive, middle-aged, white, nerd, military wanna-be's. Not all of course, some are former military who just love guns, and then, some are their wives..

And if you are offended by that consider it may be:

1. Sarcasm
2. Satire
3. True :)

If you're still offended, get over yourself, you all hate PC BS(nearly as much as I do ). Point being, if you are serious about not supporting the "overly sensitive" approach, stop being overly sensitive.

PB

Doug,

Good for your daughter. I myself have a good friend that has started the paperwork to join the Peace Corps and is looking to start sometime next year. If your daughter follows through on this, I wish her the best of luck.

As far as your shot across the bow at the Protest Warriors, I'm thinking that your line of argument does not help the case you ultimately want to make. Assuming that I buy your point of view, I now know that the PW fellas make a pretty poor documentary in an artistical sense. I'll even grant you that point, because I'm an engineering student and wouldn't be able to judge them beyond my general opinion. However, does that discredit their point of view altogether? I would argue no; instead, we are left to assume that from their poor documentary, and that's not an assumption I'm not willing to make.

Now, if you are looking to discredit the anti-protester point of view, I'm perfectly willing to discuss that with you. Let's just do it without the assumptions.

Mr. Haverberg is right on: The point is not the students' right to protest. It's that they expect there to be no consequences for breaking rules. MLK Jr. accepted consequences. Ghandi accepted consequences.
You wanna protest? Great:
1) Do it on a weekend. Let's see how committed you are. It's easy to sign up for skipping school. The committed give up a Saturday.
2) But Nov 2 doesn't fall on a weekend? Tough. Make a choice:
a) Protest on the nearest Saturday
b) Skip school and accept the consequences
Thousands of kids willing to accept these consequences would make a true statement (I doubt you'd get a dozen). That would be meaningful.
Thousands of kids who will only protest if they get free pass only means only that there are thousands of kids who want to skip school and get away with it.
My prediction: Mpls and St Paul school boards will cave.
PB -- Conservatives have no sense of humor? Doug opened this thread by calling PW's "entitled little snot-nosed brown shirts." Ha! What a kidder. It's that friendly repartee on the part of the left that keeps me in stitches.

Isn't it a little authoritarian to demand that military recruiters be kept off campus? The protesters are not likely to sign up for a hitch in the marines so they're really trying to make the decision for their peers. "Wanna join the marines? Nope, we've decided you'd be better off being a liberal arts major in college. Can't afford college? Then maybe you can get a job as a price checker at KMart. And good luck with that career thing,"

"Until I meet a PW that doesn't fit the description, I stand by my assessment. And I would encourage any anti-war protesters to join the Peace Corps."

Well, then you've not met a whole lot. EVERY PW I've met has been smart, funny, exudes some sort of education (in the way that comes from knowing stuff, whether it was gotten at school or otherwise). And, let's just face it, their stuff is funny.

PB,

Right. You're such an expert at seeing sarcasm.

Mitch said.

"Well, then you've not met a whole lot."

Ummm... Duh... I said that I knew a few of them.

If they want to walk out of school in protest, fine. Let them. But to be shocked that standing up for one’s “righteous” convictions shouldn’t have consequences … give me a break. Tell that to Patrick Henry or Nathan Hale.

To those that were not paying attention in history class: leading up to the Revolutionary War, Patrick Henry stated “Give me liberty, or give me death!” Nathan Hale was hanged by the British as a spy. His last words “I regret that I have but one life to give to my country.”

ALL decisions, right or wrong, involve consequences. When someone chooses to face those consequences for standing up for what is right, we call that “courage”.

"Ummm... Duh... I said that I knew a few of them. "

Right. And I said that my impression of the ones I've met is completely at odds with yours.

And since you are biased against them (and I, naturally, am bias-free), I weight the impressions accordingly.

"courage" can be 'taught' but it must start at home. Unfortunately, our society has had a long dry spell on the personal courage front. One must hand it to the Catholic church, they do tend to teach 'actions have consequences'--ok so maybe a little overboard with the 'guilt' thing!
I work in a pretty structured environment, but I've seen a marked errosion of personal responsibility over the years! The good news is I think we are swining back toward the center.

Mitch,

In the new Civic Ed lingo, this is called "civic engagement." Under the guise of teaching about how our government works, the kids are taught how to be little activists, from pre-school and on. I'm not kidding.

Go to http://www.freechild.org/, for example. Or here:
http://www.freechild.org/youth_activism_2.htm

This social activism also goes under the very popular umbrella of "service learning," which the public and legislators think is all about kids learning how to do good deeds in their community. But it's more often about "social justice," another word for the leftist "rich vs poor" view of life.

Go to
http://www.ecs.org/clearinghouse/29/13/2913.htm to get a discussion of that.

And then there's the "human rights" activism that was promoted at a workshop at the Education Minnesota convention last week. It's called "This is my home" http://www.hrusa.org/thisismyhome/project/how.html

which pushes activism based on the United Nations international agreements -- like the Convention on the Rights of the Child, which is very dangerous to the rights of children to raise their children and has never been ratified by the US Senate.

These demonstrations come right out of that mold.

Julie

Sorry for the misprint in the above quote. I meant to say:

"...like the Convention on the Rights of the Child, which is very dangerous to the rights of FAMILIES to raise their children and has never been ratified by the US Senate."

Julie

Mitch said,

"And since you are biased against them (and I, naturally, am bias-free), I weight the impressions accordingly."

You...? Bias free? I assume your being sarcastic.

"You...? Bias free? I assume your being sarcastic."

Me? Never.

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