Hey Mitch, if your readers care to enjoy the antics of Eva and her dumpser corps, please have then tun into pair O' Dice every friday for Friday funnies!

http://restraininorder.blogspot.com/2005/08/new-strip-feature.html

BTW Mitch,

I know it's necessary to point out what a bag of a&&holes make an hourly habit out of stalking Senator Bachmann, but IMO, it's not necessary to post a link..

...let us tell the story, we'll tell the truth.

I think Michele's running in the 6th CD, not the 4th. I also think my link on the fun page is the best of all.

http://monkeysponge.blogspot.com/2005/06/its-fun-to-generalize.html

I've never visited the fun page before. I had no idea I was there. Not too sure about the Hitler stuff...I'm a "lets dispense with all the Hitler stuff" kind of guy. Let's be honest, not too many people are that screwed up. Not even Kim Jong Il. That's saying quite a bit.

In other Hitler news, NPR just ran a fascinating story about Hitler's Yacht. You can listen to it here

http://www.theamericaproject.org/?doc=hitlers_yacht

I highly recommend it. Very interesting.

cp

ken avidor is funny! michelle bachmann is the same as a nazi, in every way that matters. we might as well get a good laugh.

Ken's a cartoonist. Actually the real picture of Michele is with James Dobson from Focus on the Family.

He also has put together some soundclips of Bachmann at the legislature.

http://www.roadkillbill.com/PRT-BachApril14.html

A picture is worth a thousand words, and Ken Avidor's cartoons do illustrate the picture very well.

David DeGrio is a conservative at the University of Minnesota - he led - successfully I might add - the effort to defeat the effort to unionize graduate assistants at the U.

On the issue of being outside of Michele's district. That's true. I don't live in Bachmann's district. Many of those who contribute tips and news to Dump Bachmann are 6th district residents.

However as we have documented at Dump Bachmann, most of Michele's contributions come from outside of the 6th district - and many are from nationally known wackjobs like Phyllis Schlafly.

When we have Dump Bachmann meetups, they are in Stillwater - and are attended by people in Bachmann's district.

Dump Bachmann can't claim credit for the photo story. That was Eleventh Avenue South - and DB linked to that after Eleventh Avenue South covered it. It's trivial....

The Bathroomgate story is a story that was first covered by Dump Bachmann. The other story covered at DB first was the story of Bachmann trolling for stories about eeevil, bad teachers

Both democrats and republicans in Bachmann's district. I would not characterize Stillwater as "exurban". Stillwater is a walkable city with many urban characteristics. It's no Corcoran.

I had no idea that email was private, Mitch - because it was an email you used to post to the St Paul list.

Sponge, I'd agree on the Hitler issue. I think the original photo - Michele with Dobson made the point.

That being said, I continue to think Avidor is an effective cartoonist. Take a look at his cartoon about Urban Ventures.....

http://www.roadkillbill.com/UrbVult.html

at least with Dobson he could have somehow worked in a beaten up dog. Much more tasteful.

at least with Dobson he could have somehow worked in a beaten up dog. Much more tasteful.

On the fun page, I think the two flash animations where you can click and hear Michele saying "Mr President, Mr President" and also the one where Rep. Erhardt is asking whether Michele Bachmann was lurking behind the dots were great. I also liked the Wicket Witch of the Midwest - with the caption - "I'll get you my pretty and your bill of rights too." I didn't like the Dick Day and Michele photo. And I think Hitler is overdone. He's not going to go away in political conversation. Hitler was mentioned during a 58th district republican convention - in regards to some trivial rule dispute.

"Ken's a cartoonist."

The ghost of Bill Mauldin is going to put saran wrap on your toilet as you sleep.

" Actually the real picture of Michele is with James Dobson from Focus on the Family."

Right. And then he turned it into a picture with Hitler. The intention is perfectly clear - your ex post facto obfuscation is irrelevant and unneeded.

Avidor is a vacuous, juvenile hack, and your blog paints itself by including him.

[ comment by troll censored. Go back in Mom's basement, little fella ]

Wow, now I know why Powerline doesn't allow comments. It's probably also why the Minutemen shouldn't allow open meetings as well.

C'mon. Everyone knows that 'Drobner' is Walter Mondale's nick.

There's no reason to bring someone's kids into this asshole.

Interseting how Eva and the rest of the Mickey Moore wanna-be don't repudiate Drobner and his comments... they must agree with him.

BTW Drobey, you're pretty tough posting anon. comments and threats on the web... why don't you show up at a PUBLIC event and spout your crap?

GeneK-
I am a contributor to Dump Bachmann, and I find Drobner's comments to be vile. I am surprised that they are actually even still up. I see no reason for Mitch not to delete them. And ban whomever posted them. And since the person threatened violence, to report this incident to the internet service provider. And maybe even the police.

"Interseting how Eva and the rest of the Mickey Moore wanna-be don't repudiate Drobner and his comments... they must agree with him."
The comments was posted at 1:30am. Most of us are just now waking up. Give us some time to sleep before accusing us of agreeing with him.

Gene K - I haven't seen Drobner's comments until today. If Drobner is a real person, ofcourse, I find those comments offensive. However I'm a bit skeptical.

I've never heard of Drobner. I read my comments and don't recall Drobner commenting.

I'd suspect this is a comment that is faking a Dump Bachmann commenter.

I've never seen a Drobner comment on DB.

Swiftee has impersonated Dump Bachmann commenter "Dan" over on DB. Dan called Swiftee on it, and by comparing IP addresses, I confirmed that.

Dump Bachmann - who has been by here and used the term "chickenhawk" to refer to you, Mitch doesn't use all caps to post, and doesn't mispell to that extent.

Operation Yellow Elephant is satire. The "cartoon strip" that Swiftee posted about me is Satire.

There have been fake comments posted over on the Kool Aid Report that "defend" me.

Eva, you a liar. I always sign my name to my words, always.

Unlike 90% of the denizens of your dumpster.

Drobner is just the sort of pitiful little keyboard commando we expect to come crawling out of any one of your little slime pits web sites, I'm sure no one is surprised in the least.

The company you keep says a lot about you. One can well imagine you rubbing your greasy little rookers together in glee.

Now run along like a good little troll and post all about this, if you haven't already spent all night doing so.

BTW, "staff" implies that contributors are paid. All work on DB is a volunteer effort. I don't have a tip jar over there. It is just people exercising the first amendment.

Mitch - I do encourage you to report Drobner to his ISP and possibly to the police since he did threaten you. This would be against an ISP's terms of service to post something like that. Please do let us know over here how the TOS complaint goes.

Remember how someone sent a terroristic threat to legislators using the concealed carry website? I believe you thought that was a concealed carry opponent doing that to discredit the concealed carry reform group.

Mitch - btw, if you make a TOS complaint - DON'T DELETE THE COMMENT by Drobner - because that comment is evidence.

Eva, as everyone knows, you are not only a liar, you're an especially inept liar.

The Drobner comment pretty much follows exactly, the spirit (if not the exact words)of the e-mails I recieved from the members of your "USAQueers" hate site after you posted my address and encouraged them to contact me.

I've still got them BTW.

This type of content is standard fare over there.

Have you been cutting and pasting to that little corner of hell again Eva? A bit of cross-pollination in your garden of hate perhaps?

Fertilizing flowers like this:

"But why couldn't this have happened to Randall ****** instead? Or Lou *****,
found decapitated in his Anaheim home, his head in the microwave oven? Or
Robert H. ************ -- an old, rusty crucifix jammed up his rectum?
Life isn't fair.
*********** Self-censored for legal reasons."

Mitch, if you ever did decide to persue this, I'd suggest that you have the authorities start their search here:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/usaqueers/

Tell 'em Eva sent you.

Hm, having just now perused the Dump BM blog, I can only come to the conclusion that it's a blog that takes itself ENTIRELY too seriously, like a D&D player who wears armor in real life because they think it improves their saving throws.

Swiftee.....

Go find things that I have posted to USA Queers - and confront me with those. Others on that list have posted viscious things about me - just in the same way you have.

If you read that list, you'll understand there are wackos over there. There are also moderates over there. (I'm not the only one). Also, folks over on that list have gone after me with eerily similar language to the language you use about me.

Clearly you are reading that list more than I am.

Swiftee - my guess is Mitch does not want this thread to degrade to the USQueers thing - so I'd suggest posting on your blog about that - and then sending the link. Just like you posted your charming little cartoon.

It's not a Dump Bachmann issue - which is the topic of this thread. I've covered the USQueers thing - and responded - several times on Lloydletta.

I have no idea who Drobner is - but again - if I can get a copy of Drobner's ip (send it to dumpbachmann@gmail.com), I will check my haloscan records to see if s/he has posted.

Ryan:

There's a reason they take themselves seriously; they have a personal stake in the possible election of somebody who would legislate against their rights because "God told her."

I've known many gay couples who were more dedicated to each other than any straight couple. Women who were abused verbally or physically by their husbands but found true love and a life partner in another woman. Michele Bachmann doesn't care about any of that.

After perusing your fart-joke-catalog-blog, I don't think there's anything you take seriously. And along come you to this debate with your rejoinder, essentially, "Ha, ha! FREAKS!"

Get bent, Hong Kong Phooey.

Mitch:

That "business, not personal" line from THE GODFATHER is delivered by Pacino, not Brando.

There's one reason conservatives continue to lose the culture war: They can't follow it correctly.

Serves me right, getting a full night's sleep and taking the kids to church.

Drob and your ilk; I'm a Norwegian/British Presbyterian. But if "Jewish" "neocons" shoot steam out of your little head, consider me Jewish.

E-Blo - you're right. In between getting a BA in English, acting in a slew of plays, ghost-writing a book, learning to play ten musical instruments, singing at Notre Dame (Paris, not South Bend), learning music from "Singet Dem Herrn" and "The Messiah" to "Anarchy in the UK", I guess I was too busy to learn any culture. And you discovered the great secret - Ryan isn't very serious. Notify the media. Oh, wait - Ryan IS the media. (As, I guess, am I, technically).

And I'd just as soon not exhume the USAQueers stuff. The issue in this thread is supposed to be what allowing a puerile hatemonger like Avidor on the "staff" (of volunteers, doyyyy).

Maybe the "bachmann standing with Hitler" thing draws titters of glee among the "gay rights is the ONLY issue" crowd, but to call it "in bad taste" is to insult Velvet Elvis paintings and "Fear Factor", to say nothing of those who fought and died against (or were murdered by) Hitler.

If "Bachmann Fun Page" isn't a hate site, then I'd love to see a meaningful definition. The only real difference I see between "Drobner" and the "Bachmann Fun Site" is that while everyone - every sane person - reviles Drobner, Avidor's stuff gets linked in the City Pages. And saying "But Bachmann hated us first!" is neither an excuse (two wrongs don't make a right) nor the truth (Bachmann doesn't hate gays, ergo ONE wrong doesn't make a right).

And hate makes me sad.

Oh, yeah. I reported drobner to his ISP.

We'll see.

By the way, Eva - "exurban" refers to "a suburb outside the normal ring of suburbs". Not "formerly urban".

Sorry, Mitch, but I have to respond to Ernst Stavro Blofeld. There's one half of a gay "couple" in my office....someone who has caused nothing but trouble in the local Catholic church because they wanted to receive communion (the priest was happy as could be with them attending...but as a non-celibate "married" couple, he would not let them take communion). Letters to the editor flew to all papers within any distance..ad nauseum. They're such a "loving couple" (they each left a wife and numerous children when they fell in love (lust). Recently there was a crew replacing windows in our office and among the workers was a nice-looking 17 or 18 yr old high school kid (male). Mr. Gay went bezerk over how "hot" he was-basically panting over him. He asked his co-workers to take pictures of him the next day since he would have to be gone...what do he and his partner do with pictures of some young guy....hmmmm? Or does his partner know? What would happen if a straight man were to do that with a young gal outside mowing the lawn or whatever? Many people thought the incident should have been reported to HR...but, we're all conditioned to "be nice". Puke. That's the loving relationships I think the majority of gays have going on. It's about perversion and promiscuity all the way. If my husband were panting over a young girl and having co-workers take pictures of her for him I'd be wondering what kind of marriage we have.

And don't even begin to bring up the battering and jealousy that goes on in gay relationships. Straight people don't have the market cornered on dysfunction...no matter how much gay advocates paint the gay lifestyle as love and butterflies, you all know damn well better.

"I've known many gay couples who were more dedicated to each other than any straight couple."

Really, Ernst? More dedicated than my grandparents, who've been married for 70 years?

Because that would be mighty dedicated.

Colleen-
In a way... I almost agree with you. Many same-sex couples are not in good relationships. Many suffer the same disfunctions that heterosexual couples go through... whether that is jealousy, dishonesty, battery, infidelity, etc. Relationships are relationships. Some are good, some are bad.

But how does that justify not giving same-sex couples the same choice to marry? Or enjoy same-sex partner benefits? Or hospital visitation rights?

Josh-
I would argue dedication to a relationship is not just measured in years. That is not to say your grandparents aren't dedicated to one another. I am sure they are. I just don't think that years should be the only factor of consideration.

Carson, I understand that. But Blofeld's statement was that he knew gay couples whose love was more all-conquering, more eternally abiding than ANY STRAIGHT COUPLES out there.

What do you suppose the odds are?

Mitch, someone named Marie stopped over to DB:

"Considering that someone who reads the Dump Bachman blog obvsioly is the same person who left the "Jew Chickhawk..." hissy-fit on Berg's blog makes me realize that the Dump Bachman blog isn't worth shit. It obviously only attracts supporters that can only use scare tactics, not their brains, to get their point across. I was reading this blog for informational purposes until I saw that comment today. I don't feel a need to come back to this blog after reading that. There is obviously no readership here that is worth my time or that has a serious, thoughtful perspective into the upcoming election. Anyone else reading this blog - spend your time elsewhere getting FACTS.
Marie | 08.21.05 - 11:55 am | #

P.S. I was able to trace the IP, as I work for a company that has access to the router traffic for that site...the comment was not a hoax. Ironically, it matches up to the same ISP that the individual who posted the "it's a hoax" comment above. Hmmm... are they one in the same? If these are the tactics that the Democrats use, I don't consider myself part of the party then - and anyone who thinks this is OK and who doesn't have any balls to speak up against it should consider leaving the party. No wonder the party is painted as a bunch of psychopathic wackjobs. You guys are ruining it for the rest of us.
Marie"

EY: "Marie" used the same IP address both times. It's a bit strange that Marie claims to be able to obtain IP addresses of commenters from your blog and my blog. "Marie" was challenged to give her evidence, but has not reappeared.

On the Hitler deal, I'm wondering if you find the Producers by Mel Brooks - with "Springtime for Hitler" offensive also?

Putting aside the blather and immature humor one has to recognize the fundamental truth in conviction and insight of what the blog is saying. Not to read their blog and consider well what they say is to disgrace the right to free speech.

Putting aside the blather and immature humor one has to recognize the fundamental truth in conviction and insight of what the blog is saying. Not to read their blog and consider well what they say is to disgrace the right to free speech.

Putting aside the blather and immature humor one has to recognize the fundamental truth in conviction and insight of what the blog is saying. Not to read their blog and consider well what they say is to disgrace the right to free speech.

...the correct URL this time for the Michelle Bachmann-Saint or Sinner picture:

http://www.roadkillbill.com/Bachmann_SainOrSin.jpg

"On the Hitler deal, I'm wondering if you find the Producers by Mel Brooks - with "Springtime for Hitler" offensive also?"

Eva, I've seen The Producers several times. For the life of me, I can't remember - who exactly was being *compared* with the world's third-most-egregious mass murderer in that movie?

Does anyone wonder why I fled the garage Friday night when Eva came in to talk to Mitch?

Mitch, lets stick to sports, radio and The Producers when we chat.

Eva, let's not talk about Mitch.

And Drobner, whoever you are, whatever you are, get bent.

Josh: My bad. Wrong choice of modifier. I should have said, "...as dedicated as any straight couple," instead of, "...more dedicated than any straight couple." Saying "more" left me open to balking from hair-splitting, literalist fundies.

Colleen: Now that we can agree there are bad relationships on both sides of the rainbow, can you give me one good reason why you would oppose my friend Terri not being able to visit her partner of 10 years in the hospital? By the way, it was her husband who ran off for "lust." Terri kept the kids, raising them both with her partner. You'll be relieved to know their eldest son grew up to marry a woman.

Bachmann supporters, you are on the wrong side of history-in-the-making. Social progress is coming through. Please step aside.

Blofeld-
I live in Hawaii. In 1998 a constitutional amendment that allowed the legislature to ban gay marraige passed by a 2-1 margin. Hawaii is one of the most liberal states in the union; opposition to gay marriage is hardly restricted to 'fundies'. I'll take your remarks as further evidence of just how out of touch progressives are with the nation they think they are leading.

"After perusing your fart-joke-catalog-blog, I don't think there's anything you take seriously. And along come you to this debate with your rejoinder, essentially, "Ha, ha! FREAKS!""

Ernst, believe me, there's PLENTY I take seriously. Blogging just isn't one of them. It's a hobby, and a writing exercise, and just my little slice of the Internet where I can dabble in a little free speech. Once you start taking blogging too seriously beyond that, you end up with a blog kind of like, oh, I don't know, Dump BM, which. . . *shudder*

And, I should note, I'm about the last person who would ever have the temerity to call anyone a freak, since I have a large segment of the freak market cornered all by myself.

"Does anyone wonder why I fled the garage Friday night when Eva came in to talk to Mitch?"

Hey, everything was fine!

Until that other guy cornered me and would. not. stop. talking about Iraq for half an hour.

Eva,

So, let's see...first Ronald Reagan was Hitler, then George W. Bush was Hitler, then Norm Coleman was Hitler, now James Dobson is Hitler ?

No wonder I'm confused.

The great part....the part I love the most....about our friend Eva is that she is the walking, talking, breathing definition of RINO.

The only thing I'm surprised about is that she doesn't get the same loving coverage from the MSM, her being a gay Republican.

In short, I really will look forward to her showing up at the State convention now. I'm sure her Senate District knows of her.

"The only thing I'm surprised about is that she doesn't get the same loving coverage from the MSM, her being a gay Republican."

She does! Her site has gotten all sorts of play in the mainstream media. She even has links to it. Nick Coleman used to put her on his show, and gush about how she was the kind of Repblican that we really needed. Her whole site is all about getting media coverage. And a couple of reporters have taken the bait.

I was unaware of this, Jon. Thanks.

You know, Eva....I can call myself the King of Sweden....that don't make it so. Just like you CLAIMING to be a "Republican"....don't make it so.

Better a RINO than a Dinosaur.

I am a Republican and volunteer regularly with Republican campaigns in Minneapolis. Every Republican disagrees with the party on various things. If you look at Tim Pawlenty, he is going against what party people want on the Stadium boondoggle, funding government with gambling gov. sponsored gambling revenues and the cigarette tax. I'm with the party people on all those issues.

I do think the Michele Bachmann brand of republicanism is ruining the good name of Republicans in both Minneapolis and St Paul - and more and more in the burbs.

I also think Dean Johnson leaving the Republican Party was a loss to the party.

Glad you contacted the ISP about Drobner, Mitch. Did you contact the police also?

Let us know what happens with this. I'd still like to get Drobner's IP address so I can check the accuracy of "Marie's" post on DB.

I do think it was a bit improper for Mitch to include my name in saying that DB "abdicates any claim to legitimacy" he has never met me and has no idea what i stand for. Just because you may dislike Eva doesn't mean I should automoatically be counted out. I read your blog everyday and agree with a lot of what you say, but at the same time I agree with Eva on things too. But I suppose if you want to smear me from the start it's your call.

"I do think it was a bit improper for Mitch to include my name in saying that DB "abdicates any claim to legitimacy" he has never met me and has no idea what i stand for."

"David", I have no idea who you are. I didn't mention you in my piece - because I have no idea who you are, or, indeed, anything of your very existence.

My stance - Dump Bachmann has embraced a hate site.

Not sure where you get a smear against you in there.

Thanks for reading and commenting.

Mitch quoting Dump Bachmann:

David DeGrio and Ken Avidor have joined the Dump Bachmann blog as contributors...Ken Avidor is a cartoonist who maintains the Michele Bachmann Fun Page.

EY: Duh, Mitch - David is David DeGrio - you quoted me, and mentioned him.

Duh, Eva. I didn't remember.

Shows how much mental energy I put into retaining the golden droppings of your stellar little hate site.

Oh - and I didn't attack him, or even mention him, in any way beyond pullquoting your statement on him and Avidor.

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So, what do you have against her??

Well let me guess, the gays hate her because she does'nt want children exposed to them, that makes sense.. the women who are pro-choice (you know, the ladies that want an easy out for their irresponsable sex) hate her because Mrs Bachman cant stand the thought of tiny little angels having their heads sucked off by a suction tube.. that makes sense.. the atheist hate her because she wants Bible study in public schools ( as i'm sure you know, its so peaceful and loving in our public school system). So again, that makes sense

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