See No Eva, Hear No Eva, Speak No Eva - I'm a leading theorist in the area of human behavior!
Well, according to one local activist, I'm being credited with developing a major theory of how people behave.
I participate on a few political email discussion groups (although to be perfectly honest, the rationale for these groups, and my interest in them, fades daily; they are the opposite of the libertarian blogosphere, riven with hive mentalities and groupthink; life's too short). On one, which discusses Saint Paul issues, there was a discussion of the incident at Lucy's Bar, a lesbian hangout in St. Paul's Frogtown neighborhood.
Now, in the St. Paul Issues discussion group - which is dominated by people from the left of center - quite a few participants felt that the allegations of conduct against Sgt. Loretz were enough to convict him, in their minds. The original Pioneer Press story relied heavily on quotes from patrons whose involvement in the brouhaha was never really made clear. The paper followed up with a piece about the officer's side of the story, as well as several other related pieces.
I mentioned that there were several reasons to tread lightly on this story - that while the allegations against Sgt. Loretz may well be true, we dont' know - and Lucy's DOES have a reputation, and bar patrons are the LAST people to get the "truth" from after a bar fight, and that some lesbians are by no means averse to violence.
Eva Young is a local pundit without portfolio. She's involved in the Log Cabin Republicans.
She posted this email to several local discussion list-servers - but, I need to stress, not the one that the original discussion took place on! She posted the email, below, to several email addresses, including:
Note that, as I'm not a member of any of those discussion groups, I am unable to reply - however, every member of each of those groups now has my email address.
Here's the posting - subject line, "Blogger Berg Opines with his Lesbians are Violent Theory"
Mitch's blog is at: http://www.mitchberg.com/shotindark/Note that Eva in fact did leave a comment - under a utterly unrelated topic, below.
This is part of the discussion on the St Paul Issues list (lists.minnesota.com), discussing the recent allegations that Police Chief Finney's son, Loretz roughed up bar patrons at Lucy's Bar (a Lesbian Bar) in St Paul.
I thought I'd give Berg's blog a bit more publicity, and hope that he opines in more detail on this theory in his blog.
The theory goes:
There is dispute on this point, but lesbians seem
to be statistically at least as disposed to violence
as any other group, and some would say more so.
This has been my experience. This is not a knock
on lesbians - but there does seem to be a physically
aggressive streak among a sizeable minority.
If you wish to send Mr. Berg comments about his theory, write him at: [snip]@mitchberg.com, or add comments to his blog.
I love it - this isn't meant to be a knock against Lesbians. Then what is it meant to be.
Goodness, where to start with this?
There is dispute on this point, but lesbians seem to be statistically at least as disposed to violence as any other group, and some would say more so. This has been my experience. This is not a knock on lesbians - but there does seem to be a physically aggressive streak among a sizeable minority.Leave aside that singling out that paragraph - as Eva did, both above and in her comments on my blog - leaves out a lot of conversational context; what's the beef?
That some lesbians are violent? As I said - some of it is personal experience. Some of it is bits and scraps of different theories I've accreted in my consciousness over time. I'm apparently not alone:
We don't know. And by "we", I mean "you, either".
Oh, yeah - and clearly, the theory that lesbians may have violent tendencies isn't "mine".
What Eva Young seems to want is that, when lesbians are concerned, we see no evil, hear no evil, and speak no evil.
OK. Let the further misrepresentation begin!
UPDATE: A day late - and after I registered complaints - she posted to the original Saint Paul discussion group. If you're coming here from there - welcome!Posted by Mitch at October 25, 2003 06:50 PM