Wait...wait! I have an anonymous source and a secret document that clearly shows that Ralph Nadar rigged automobile tests and profited from this by millions of dollars!

I had to return the original copy of the document, and I had to burn the copies I made, but I have typed up that document for everyone to see. Let's get old Raphie in handcuffs! Let's organize a perp walk! Obviously, this must be true because I made the documents that PROVE it!!!

"Everywhere I go the last couple of days, people are dropping it in casual conversation: "Bush is going to be impeached."

Has anyone considered that this could simply be a reflection on Chuck Olsen's social circle? Sort of like the news editor who says "how could Bush have won? I don't know ANYONE who voted for him."

I make it a point to have at least a few close friends from the other party if only to make sure I don’t make the mistake of ever falling into the tunnel vision trap that seems to pervade the NP.

"Sort of like the news editor who says "how could Bush have won? I don't know ANYONE who voted for him."

It was "New Yorker" film critic Pauline Kael, and she asked it about Nixon.

"Sort of like the news editor who says "how could Bush have won? I don't know ANYONE who voted for him."

It was "New Yorker" film critic Pauline Kael, and she asked it about Nixon.

As I've sid is this and other blogs, There's no way that Bush will be impeached. Impeachment proceeding start in the House and, as we all know, the House is controlled be Republicans.

If Bush were a Democrat though, he would have never made it past his first term. He would have been impeached, indicted, charged and convicted by now.

I do have a question for you conservatives... Would you at least support a grand jury investigation to look at whether potential laws were broken in the lead up to war?

I mean, Bush did nothing wrong correct so there's nothing to fear with a simple little hearing...

Of course, the President and VP would have to testify under oath but for such moral and ethical men, there's nothing to be afraid of...

If you disagree, please offer your reasons why. Thanks! I'm looking forward to your thoughts...

While we're at it, Dan, I'm sure you wouldn't mind if we dragged YOU away from your job and wasted months of your time testifying before a grand jury - absent any serious or even credible charges, by the way - on the whim of a politically motivated opposition whose main beef is that you are in the position you're in.

But you're moral and ethical, right? So you have nothing to be afraid of? Right?

Bollocks. Bring a charge, and make it stick with people outside of "Democratic Underground".

I won't hold my breath.

Hey, Dan, while we're at let's get Wes Clarke up on war crimes charges. Didn't he admit to bombing Yugoslavian civilian targets in order to put pressure on Milosivich? And if I remember right, the reason he had to put civvy pressure on Milosivich was because the Serbs had hidden their military assets very well and Clinton refused to authorize the use of ground troops to dig them out. Let's put Clinton in the dock too, then.
Once you start pursuing these things there's telling where it will stop.

Thorley: Social circles, yes of course. But times I heard this, in the last two days, it was from people I'd never met and people in different social circles. Although you could probably put us all in the "NE Minneapolis Artsy Moonbat" meta-circle. Which is pretty much the whole area *except* Kieran's, natch.

Dan -- Yes, I would support a grand jury investigation of Bush's actions in the run up to the war. Right after the one investigating Kofi Annan's son's profiteering in the oil for food scandal. Right after the one investigating Jacque Chirac's sweetheart oil deals with Saddam pending the end of sanctions (all the while pushing for the end of sanctions). Right after the one investigating why German and Russian weapons experts were in Iraq 'consulting' with the military. Right after the one investigating Kerry's lies about Christmas in Cambodia and, more to the point, highly improper overatures to the Iranian government during the US election (not to mention is campaign's possible involvement in phony documents appearing on CBS on the eve of the election in a blatant attempt to steal the election).
Does this all really need to be said again?
1) 3000 people died on 9/11
2) Could easily have been 50,000 and more (but for luck, the grace of God, and thousands of individual acts of heroism). We all expected the next attack to be worse.
3) Saddam was a major supporter of terrorism and regional instability (our efforts at containing Iraq to protect its neighbors included bases in Saudi Arabia, which were a major part of bin Laden's beef to begin with)
4) Every intelligence agency in the world believed that Saddam had WMDs in violation of the UN mandates. He was the most likely source of the weapons that would potentially be used in the even larger attach on US soil that everyone except the most naive believed was imminent.
5) There would have been no war if the UN Security Council has spoken with one voice to enforce the mandates that the SC itself had placed on Iraq. When faced with a united UN-SC Saddam would have been forced to back down.

If Bush was guilty of anything in the run up to the war it was placing too much faith in our 'allies' on the Security Council to honor their commitments and stand by their words.

I agree whole heartedly with Mitch: Please try to impeach Bush. Go nuts with investigations. Make yourselves look as stupid as possible.

"...wasted months of your time testifying before a grand jury - absent any serious or even credible charges, by the way - on the whim of a politically motivated opposition whose main beef is that you are in the position you're in."

hey Mitch,

Does the name Paula Jones sound familiar?

As for making it stick with people outside of "Democratic Underground"... There's my mom... a little 73 year old senior who voted for Bush twice. I'm pretty sure she's never even heard of "democratic Underground".

And my sister in law and her husband - both Republicans who signed Conyers petition.

That reminds me, check this video out...

http://www.bushflash.com/right.html

It's GREAT!!!

Hey, turns out I was wrong. It's *not* just my social circles, it's a good chunk of the country (and likely half of Minnesota):

Zogby International:

President Bush’s televised address to the nation produced no noticeable bounce in his approval numbers, with his job approval rating slipping a point from a week ago, to 43%, in the latest Zogby International poll. And, in a sign of continuing polarization, more than two-in-five voters (42%) say they would favor impeachment proceedings if it is found the President misled the nation about his reasons for going to war with Iraq.

Poll link:

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1007

Chuck: Zogby used to be an independent voice, and the epitome of accuracy. Since 2000 he has become almost a Democrat operative, and way off the mark (I will never forget the post 2004 election interview with Mike Gallagher, where he came close to a meltdown on the air because Gallagher simply asked him to explain why he was so wrong)...which makes his research slightly more scientific than a Pollhost poll run at Daily Kos.

Dan: So you found three people, all relatives. Whoopee. Try finding a *majority* outside of the Democratic Underground...that is, if you can bring a credible charge, which you still haven't done on this thread.

"If Bush were a Democrat though, he would have never made it past his first term. He would have been impeached, indicted, charged and convicted by now."

If Bush were a pro-choice Democrat, he would be hailed as the Great Liberator. Admit it.

"Does the name Paula Jones sound familiar?"

Yep. Now - if the GOP can get shredded (and shred itself) over something that *happened* and that President Clinton was *wrong* for doing, I can hardly wait to see what the Dems do going after the President for doing something *right*.

"As for making it stick with people outside of "Democratic Underground"... There's my mom... a little 73 year old senior who voted for Bush twice. I'm pretty sure she's never even heard of "democratic Underground"."

Er, yeah. That's an impressive anecdote.

"And my sister in law and her husband - both Republicans who signed Conyers petition."

Ah. OK, well, I see them and raise you my sister in law, who was a former Green who's decided to kill her children if the Democrats win. And my neighbor, a former state organizer for MoveOn who has joined the Adams Foundation and bought a gun. And my plumber, a former Democrat who founded "Plumbers for Freedom" and who is raising his kids Republican because he says "Democrats hate liberty".

Unsupported yet convenient anecdotes? No problem.

Paul,

Remember that old shampoo commercial...? I told two friends and they told two friends and they told two freinds and so on and so on...

So Zogby wasn't able to explain why his exit polls were so far off from the actual counts...

Hmmmmm... didn't we just witness Ukraine redo their elections because the exit polls not matching the counts?

Yeah... It was those over zealous Kerry supporters... Right...

As far as credible charges, they are plastered all over the place but you guys just stick your fingers in your ears and babble the same old liberals - bad / Conservatives - good crap.

Open up a Grand Jury investigation and let them decide if crimes were committed. If they determine there is cause, then THEY bring the charges.

As far as Bush being hailed as the great liberator if he were a Democrat?

You mean like in Kosovo where Clinton is hailed as the great Liberator by the people of Kosovo?

If this is now a war to address the ethnic cleansing that happened in Iraq, then the country that aided Hussein in those crimes SHOULD be held accountable.

Hmmmmmmmm... I wonder who that would be...

Oh yeah. That would be the US.

Why is it that Bush won't open up records of sales and Ag trading with Iraq from the 80's... I wonder what they have to hide...?

"Remember that old shampoo commercial...? I told two friends and they told two friends and they told two freinds and so on and so on..."

No. But that schizophrenic lady at the bus stop must have; she thinks the British were sent to spread evil about the world, and she's making sure everyone knows it.

"So Zogby wasn't able to explain why his exit polls were so far off from the actual counts...

Hmmmmm... didn't we just witness Ukraine redo their elections because the exit polls not matching the counts?

Yeah... It was those over zealous Kerry supporters... Right... "

Is that what they're telling themselves in the fever swamp these days? That there was a comparison between the Ukraine, with its open corruption?

This is too good to be true.

The only ones "brainwashed" are the Dan-types, as illustrated here. Their hatred of Bush makes them into cartoon characters.

Clinton was never loved by conservatives, but the spewmisters like Dan on the Left are really breaking new ground.

True, Zogby has lost some credibility -- but even so, throw some more slop into the margin of error if you want -- we're still talking about numbers much bigger than the (yawn) Democratic Underground.

And really, why shouldn't that be the case? After all, if the President commmitted an impeachable offense, it's perfectly reasonable to put that on the table.

Chuck: Fine. But instead of a grand jury fishing expedition, put a specific charge on the table. I still haven't seen one on this thread.

Just because one poll shows disfavor doesn't mean he's committed a crime.

Hmmm... Their hatred of Bush...

Yep there it is...

Let me just double check...

Their hatred of Bush... check
Freedom is on the march... check
9-11... check
Democrats hate liberty/freedom... check

and

fight them over there...

BINGO!!!

I'VE GOT BINGO!!!!!

"I'VE GOT BINGO!!!!!"

Where "Bingo" = "Spyrochaetal Dementia".

Josh,

I believe it's spelled Spirochaetal.

Putz.

Dan, I believe it's spelled either "Dan got burned" or "Give it up, wackjob".

He got "Dementia" right, which is the most clearly definitive term.

Burned? By little Joshy?

Whatever helps you sleep at night there Geoff.