The Hmong reception isn't surprising, but Gen. Vang isn't the poobah many think he is. He commands respect from many elders, but not so many younger Hmong who are tired of seeing their parents fleeced by this geriatric con man. Cy Thao and Mee Moua still make a very strong case for the Hmong leaning DFL.

What would scare the bejeebus out of Dems would be if the Republicans purged all the racists from your party (you know, the ones you stole from us back in the '70s and early '80s). If you did that, you'd own the African-American churched vote (and them that ain't churched have largely been disenfranchised).

But you'll never see that vote so long as you keep coddling the racists gathered under your big tent. If the GOP ever took a hardline on party racists, I'd give it ten years and you'd have half the African-American vote. Elect a few mainstream black officeholders and you'd get the rest and you'd still be the "conservative" party.

And don't worry. Once you boot the racists, we're not taking them back. They'd become a permanent 5% nuisance party and both major parties could hold their heads a little higher.

"the H'mong should be Republicans; they are family-oriented..."

Unlike we Democrats who are anti-family right Mitch?

You continue to become more and more a parody of yourself.

And just who are those racists, hmmmmm?

"Unlike we Democrats who are anti-family right Mitch?"

Especially when you prevent them by killing babies in the womb and pervert them by subsidizing single parenthood to the ultimate detriment of society.
We don't even need to address your disdain for the formality of traditional family structure, do we?

You mean the racists like
Bobby "the Kleagle" Byrd,
Jesse "Hymietown" Jackson,
Ted "the owl club" Kennedy,
Gary "condi is brown sugar" Trudeau,
Corrine "you all look alike to me" Brown,
Howard "all waiters are black" Dean,
etc., etc., etc.

Doug:

"Unlike we Democrats who are anti-family right Mitch?"

Basically, yes. In too many ways, Democrats *are* anti-family.

"You continue to become more and more a parody of yourself."

Parody is the sincerest form of flattery.

Wege:

"The Hmong reception isn't surprising, but Gen. Vang isn't the poobah many think he is."

True, but that cuts both ways. Remember - DFL H'mong h'egemony was largely a result of late rep. Bruce Vento's leading role in getting the H'mong here. Vang and the elders' loyalty to Vento (and Wellstone) played a huge role in this piece of political history. Vang and the DFL machine are decaying together among the H'mong.

"Cy Thao and Mee Moua still make a very strong case for the Hmong leaning DFL."

Yes, they represent the H'mong establishment. And nobody's discounting them, or that tradition. Just pointing out that it's eroding.

"What would scare the bejeebus out of Dems would be if the Republicans purged all the racists from your party (you know, the ones you stole from us back in the '70s and early '80s). If you did that, you'd own the African-American churched vote"

Well, the Republicans rarely "purge" anyone. And I am not trying to speak to the national party as much as the Minnesota one...

...where the problem isn't so much the "racists" (to the extent that they exist - and for argument's sake, I'll agree they do) as the suburb-centered metro GOP which, until very recently, lacked the imagination to try to tackle the city and its minority groups.

H'mong, catholic Latinos, Eritreans and churchgoing African-Americans are all natural GOP constituents, if you look past labels and into politic specifics.

"Especially when you prevent them by killing babies in the womb"

Funny... I don't recall killing any babies in the womb. I do however know several women who have and I know that two of them are HUGE Bush supporting Christians.

"and pervert them by subsidizing single parenthood to the ultimate detriment of society."

Huh?

"We don't even need to address your disdain for the formality of traditional family structure, do we?"

Let's see... I got married in the Lakota tradition and then a month later I got married in the Christian tradition in the Lutheran Church... I have a 17 year old Daughter and a 14 year old son... We have dinner together almost every night... I work during the day and my wife stays home...

You're gonna have to help me out here kermit... Where exactly is my distain displayed?

"Parody is the sincerest form of flattery."

No Mitch. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

Kerm: "your disdain..."

Doug: "...I got married in the..."

I think we're using "your" in the plural sense.

"Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery."

Hey, you oughtta copyright that.

Sorry. Should I have phrased that "General liberal disdain"? I left out the whole Leave It To Beaver meme I had been mulling over. I wasn't the one who said "We Democrats". I wouldn't dream of claiming "We Republicans". It's just not that homogenous a concept.
(insert smiley face here)

"I think we're using "your" in the plural sense."

Oh... You mean like all of my Democratic friends who were married in the Church, have children and work for a living...

Thanks for clearing that up guys.

You must listen to Savage, Hannity and Limpbowels on a regular basis to help reinforce the liberal stereotype image you hold in your brain.

"Hey, you oughtta copyright that."

Why. Do I look like FOX News?

"You must listen to Savage, Hannity and Limpbowels on a regular basis to help reinforce the liberal stereotype image you hold in your brain."

Nah. We just go by the voting records of the liberal democrats in Congress.

"Nah. We just go by the voting records of the liberal democrats in Congress."

OK Brad, show us some examples of the anti-family voting records of the liberal democrats in Congress.

"OK Brad, show us some examples of the anti-family voting records of the liberal democrats in Congress."

Yes, Sir!

Unborn Victims of Violence Act of 2004 (Laci & Conner’s Law)

“…to protect unborn children from assault and murder, and for other purposes.”

Note that the ’04 Democratic ticket for President made a rare appearance in the Senate just to vote against this measure.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=108&session=2&vote=00063#position

Here, the Senate needed a two-thirds majority to override Cinton’s veto of a partial-birth abortion ban. Thanks to many Senate democrats, that didn’t happen.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=105&session=2&vote=00277#position

How much of a heinous, disgusting and repulsive extremist on abortion does one have to be to allow such procedures to occur? Even Howard Dean referring to abortion as a woman’s choice of “Health Care” is an insult to one’s intelligence.

“To extend and modify authorities needed to combat terrorism, and for other purposes.”

I would think measures to protect our families from those who desire to kill us would be a big priority for ALL members of Congress. Again, many Senate democrats did not concur.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00358#position

That is, until the Dems were accurately portrayed as being weak on defense.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=2&vote=00029#position

How about people who work all of their lives and build up a nice estate? I’m sure they would like to leave said estate for their family to enjoy. Ah, but many families are unable to take on such a thing due to the ridiculous “death tax”.

So when a proposal is made to permanently repeal the “death tax”?

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=2&vote=00151#position

As if people don’t pay enough taxes on their personal estate while they’re alive. They then have to concern themsevles with their kids being stuck with an exorbitant tax liability.

Well, those are just a few examples of issues that clearly impact the well-being of a family. Somehow, many of these senators (i.e. Byrd, Feingold, Leahy, Kerry, Kennedy, etc.) continue to be re-elected despite their far-left stance on such issues.

It boggles the mind.

Doug asked: "Let's see... I got married in the Lakota tradition and then a month later I got married in the Christian tradition in the Lutheran Church... I have a 17 year old Daughter and a 14 year old son... We have dinner together almost every night... I work during the day and my wife stays home...

You're gonna have to help me out here kermit... Where exactly is my distain displayed?"

Well geez, Doug, it's right there. Two weddings! Sounds like you married an Indian lady, then committed bigamy with a decent Christian woman just a month later! Shame!

No, the hypocritical Male Chauvanist Pig is keeping his wife at home, depriving her of her natural right to succeed in non-domestic roles that stimulate her true potential and intellect.
Doug is clearly NOT a liberal. I hearwith absolve him of all association with the moonbat fringe.
I'll even give him a pass on his regular Air America patronage. That whole MoveOn.org thing is obviously a front to keep him in good stead with the PTSO and ISAIAH.

"No, the hypocritical Male Chauvanist Pig is keeping his wife at home, depriving her of her natural right to succeed in non-domestic roles that stimulate her true potential and intellect."

My wife is self-employed and runs the business that we built together. My wife stays home because that's where her work is.

Yeah brad, those evil democrats are really anti-family. How can it be that the states with the highest divorce rate are generally "red" states while generally those with the lowest "blue" states?

And how is the "death" tax anti-family? What boggles my mind is why republicans are so up in arms over the inheiritance tax when it affects so few families?

And Brad, please tell me about your pro-family republican party and their refusal to increase the minimum wage?

I'll take this:

"How can it be that the states with the highest divorce rate are generally "red" states while generally those with the lowest "blue" states?"

I'd love to know where you got this. I do know that the rate of *marriage* among the general population is generally much lower in the blue states; no marriage, no divorce.

"And how is the "death" tax anti-family? What boggles my mind is why republicans are so up in arms over the inheiritance tax when it affects so few families?"

A rather ironic statement, given your next graf - and, naturally, wrong. In this age, when so many people amass small fortunes in real estate and equities, it DOES affect a lot of families. Now, I've only rarely seen the Death Tax portrayed as a "family" issue (although it has helped gut the family farm), but since the primary way of passing wealth between generations in lower and middle class America is through inheritance, and those inheritances are getting bigger, it's absurd to say that the tax doesn't affect many, many lower and middle-class families.

"And Brad, please tell me about your pro-family republican party and their refusal to increase the minimum wage?"

Speaking of things that don't affect families.

Seriously. A vanishingly small percentage of families live at minimum wage. Most that do, do so because of lousy decisions, either on their part (dropping out of school, getting pregnant, going to jail) or that of their anscestors (multigenerational welfare dependance, establishing a family culture of ignorance and dependance), which is pretty much you Dems' fault.

To the extent that America's families are suffering, it's because of Democrat policies.

"And how is the "death" tax anti-family? What boggles my mind is why republicans are so up in arms over the inheiritance tax when it affects so few families?"

Cause Republicans are all about pleasing the guy in the top hat from Monopoly. Plus Frist thinks if he kills the estate tax, Paris Hilton might do him out of gratitude, after Daddy finally drops dead and she gets all those tax-free hotels.

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