I'm waiting for the results of an attempted mugging on a concealed carry permit holder. Hmmm...

Wonderful.

I'm starting to think a commute from St. Paul might not be such a big inconvenience after all...

Ahhhh,,,,goooooddddd....excccceeeellleeennntttt(in my Mr. Burns voice).

Minneapolis is continuing their suicide in business (smoking bans) and crime (ghetto porch monkeys running the streets).....

Political leadership is out to lunch or in denial...

2020...St. Paul and Minneapolis with be dead centers and the region's commercial hubs will have moved out to the outer ring suburbs (if the oil holds out)...

porch monkeys?

Okay, I consider myself to have a healthy irreverance toward politically correct sensibilities, but come on...porch monkeys? It'd be better form if you also tossed in a self-depracating comment about the new mullet you're sporting, greg.

Gee, Rambix reports a murder hours before anyone else. Again.

Has it occurred to you that maybe Rambix is a serial killer? Geez, do you people ever go to the movies?

Not counting Greg, of course, who's apparently fresh from a KKK recruiting film.

Greg,

"Porch Monkeys"? Let's not do that.

AC:

Don't *you* watch movies, bigfella? Someone at the Strib is *on the take* from the killers. Sheesh. Do I have to do all the work?

angryclown is a perfect assh*le again....after having experienced and lived around the drug gang denizens of the Northside, I do have a right to call them as I see them. I am also American Indian and as being one of the "protected classes" in AC's world can say what I please.

Most of the gangs in town our now Muslim Somali, Mexican or Central Americans, and some of our homegrown blacks. Throw in a traffic of crack, crank, stolen guns and money and Hennepin Avenue has become a shooting gallery.

I have a right to judge and judge on will on individuals behaviors and actions in the public.

...and angrycman, I judge you as a twat....fookin' do-gooder finger wagger in face, college educated, death worshipping c*nt.

..I have had friends move out of Little Earth (the American Indian apartment houses here) to the 'burbs just to get get away from the "Malis" and their khat/coke/crank drug dealing and guns. When American Indians start leaving, you KNOW its getting bad.

....I read AC pretty good...no fookin' life experience and righteous bullshit..shove it up your KKK ass.

...The murders in Minneapolis on the street of just people minding their own business and to be brushed aside by the power structure in this city which is run by the Democrat Party (supposed the party of the people and workingman) is criminal but do not think the Repubs would do anything about it.

..I stand by that Minneapolis is doomed to Detroit status with Saint Paul soon following. Neither government or administration wants to do a thing about it.

....Mitch lives too much in a dream world that a few pubs and arts and squishy stuff like neighborhood associations will do anything about it. Rybek and Coleman care little for what the voter and public in their precincts think of them and will contineu stupid experiments like Light Rail, smoking bans and jism and art displays on Washington Avenue. They are process bound by their liberal democrat whiteman ideology (i.e. I am smarter, more good looking, progressive) and all you who are not are sub-human or not even worthy of consideration.

Have a ball AC you goddamned troll....and you Mitch better quit living in a dream world that the central cities will be rescued. They will not as long as leadership in politics and law enforcement are so lacking.

The suspect/criminal was arrested, is being held without bail and will be prosecuted. The reports indicate that the state is pursuing 1st degree murder. What else can the city do in THIS case?

The Strib reports that the suspect had traffic and drug convictions. Again that means the Mpls police had arrested him and he was prosecuted. If you think the previous sentences weren't sufficient, that would be a county level issue as the city doesn't control the court system.

Should the city do more to protect citizens in a broader sense? Of course. But THIS case is hardly indicative of a failure by the city/MPD.

Furthermore the idea that crime is simply a Mpls/St. Paul issue is very short sighted. The health of the central cities is the major indicator of the overall economic health of the metro area. Detroit is a good example of this.

Gee, Greg, thanks for sharing a little bit about your life. I had thought you were just a dickhead. Now I know you're a *pissed-off American Indian* dickhead. (Sorry about the jizz art, dude. Bet that spoils your frequent museum trips.)

We'll see if anybody comes to your defense on the "porch monkey" thing. I'm guessing no. Angryclown will be interested to see if he overestimates Mitch's flock.

I'm not going to defend the "porch monkey" reference. That would be like defending a toothless cuzi-marryin' reference, and we're all too mature for such denigration. Except Doug, who likes to mock people's children.

"Mitch lives too much in a dream world that a few pubs and arts and squishy stuff like neighborhood associations will do anything about it."

Nah. I live in the city, where residents who have the good common sense to give a sh*t will do something about it.

Are there enough in the Cities as a whole? We'll see. Are there enough in my neighborhood? So far, so good.

Cities have problems - not the least of which are their ultra-left governments. Pulling out and ceding them to the enemy without a fight makes as much sense as doing the same with, say, Iraq.

Trouble is Mitch my boy is if you and the neighborhoods complain too loudly, Rybek and Coleman will turn the cops against you. You mere peasants are getting out of line (to be raped, mugged, murdered, robbed).

You see Mitch, the criminal dope dealer and mugger/murder is the politician friend. They live in a symbiotic relationship since both inhabit very old professions.

The values of the politician and the criminal are the same...they want your life, money and obediance...

Do not expect anything our of these two Mayors. They are already death worshippers...and you Mitch are silly to believe that they listen to you or your neighborhods. Throwing them out may help but they put another one of their kind in there. Witness the rotating police chiefs and school supers.

At least the suburbans and country gives us a fall back position while nature of the cities will grind out their downfall.

They will be even more unsustainable as energy continues to soar and become more costly. Police forces will disappear and the city property owner and tenant will be left on his own devices.

These murders are just a foretaste of what is to come.

I think Greg makes excellent, valid points. And why do blacks (I presume those are the "porch monkeys"?) get kid gloves when it comes to names for groups of people on this website? 'Specially rich coming from Mr Love and Non-Bigotry, angryclown. I think porch monkeys is maybe a bit too kind. And to qualify my remarks, let it be known I would vote for Condoleeza Rice for Prez. She's from a whole different world. She's not a criminal and a lazy good-for-nothing or baby-crankin' machine. There's many like Condi out there, but I truly don't think they're the majority and I don't mean regarding her education, intelligence, etc. I mean decent & hardworking. Regular folks. Kind of like the mythical peace-loving radical Muslim.

Damn, I knew I'd get burned overestimating the Shot in the Dark braintrust! Anybody else agree with Greg and Colleen?

Cause I just want to go on record saying that both your posts are completely f'ed up.

Maybe you can all lecture Angryclown again about how racism is a thing of the past. And look the other way while people who think like this vote for your candidates.

Thank you Colleen and yes I still have freedom of speech. Heard a lot of people called worse, but when you see a gang of "youts" out in the middle of a school day clustered on corners for reasons we all know and come in a variety of ethnic persuasions, you know something is wrong. all gangs and all armed, probably better than most citizens in Minneapolis who are law abiding. Schools are not doing anything. Parents are not doing anything or have abrogated their responsibly. Law enforcement is spotty at best.

I was hoping J. C. Watts or a Scoop Jackson Democrat would come to the fore for national office, Colleen. Someone to think of the NATIONAL concern but do not see it happening until bloodshed is upon us both in the nation and the world.

...so far all we have are Senators running from both parties and statistically standing Senators do not become President. Only governors, vice-presidents suceding Presidents (whether by death of the President or election in their own right) and private citizens have become President 95% of the time. The two Senator that bucked the trend, Kennedy and Harding did not finish their terms.

So Hillary, McCain or Frist is out. They are Senators and will very likely not be nominated or elected. A governor from a jerkwater, for the lack of a better work, state is more likely to be the next President. A Mr. Romney or Barber or Huckabee. Actually Dean was a good choice statiscally in 2004...he was a governor.

Boy, Greg and Colleen, you sure have some interesting ideas. Have you ever thought of publishing them to a wider audience? Like writing out 50 or so pages single-spaced, by hand, and passing out copies down by the bus station? You'll want to write in all caps, of course, cause that'll really get people's notice.

"Maybe you can all lecture Angryclown again about how racism is a thing of the past. And look the other way while people who think like this vote for your candidates."

What irony! You think that the Democrat Party doesn't attract its share of freaks. Why don't you try to contribute something to the conversation instead of using isolated comments by some unknown poster as proof of some nefarious undercurrent in the Republican Party? Yep, that's right, you figured us all out. We're racist and welcome racists in our admist.

Ever hear of a strawman?

Maybe you noticed that the big fight that preceded the murder occurred after the premiere of a gang-banger movie. Connection? Am I a racist if I bring it up? While I find greg's comments disgusting, I find the liberal aversion to examining problems with urban culture more harmful, simply because it's a more prevalent attitude. Witness the black out on coverage of big brawl before the shooting.

Hats off to angryclown. H/she hijacked the entire discussion in this thread and made it into self regarding love fest of snarky posing.

Angryclown is right. It is time for all of the country's good, smart, intelligent, non-racist, non-sexist, non-homophobes to get together and drive all the ignorant, base, violent, hatemongerers from office, via force if needed. We will have a truly free country only after Sean Hanity is strangled with Rush Flembaugh's intestines.

Nice. Greg posts a repellent racial slur and Colleen takes it a step further, explaining how Greg's really got a great point.

Most of you are at least bright enough to know that's not acceptable to say in public, whatever you may say in private. But nobody's saying Greg and Colleen are full of crap.

You people are frauds.

Aidan's comments remind me of a hilarious scene I witnessed a while back. I pulled up behind an old honda civic with two bumper stickers. One was of a colorful rainbow, the other of a slogan that read something like, "The militant, not the meek, shall inherit the earth." So I looked inside the car, expecting to see some real tough guys, but I saw two rather earthy-looking, petite women. Yeah right, they're gonna take the Whitehouse by force. But I suppose it's easy to talk tough and spend the day fantasizing about The Revolution...that's easier than debating an issue with someone with whom you disagree.

"I find greg's comments disgusting"

Did you get low marks in reading comprehension, Angryclown?

I skimmed, Spec: crap at the start, crap at the end - I kind of figured odds that the middle will feature a nugget of clear thinking were pretty low. But you did reject Greg's slur and that's the right thing to do.

Well, I rarely call ANYONE "full of crap", but let's be clear here: calling anyone a "porch monkey" slurs their (presumed) race. Please don't do that here.

There's a criminal out there - hopefully in custody. Racial stereotypes are wrong, both because they smear broadly and because they are a rejection of responsibility; the shooter didn't shoot anyone because of his race. Let's concentrate on the alleged criminal's deeds, shall we?

I wouldn't hang around here if I thought you were a racist, Mitch. You stepped in and made clear the comment wasn't acceptable on your blog. My comments weren't directed at you - probably should have been clearer about that.

Holy bee-jeeesus Greg...

Angry much?

I know whole communities at Pineridge and Rosebud that aren't as angry as you.

Doug - dig Colleen too. Yikes!

"I wouldn't hang around here if I thought you were a racist, Mitch."

I know. I'm just doing some subtle-yet-aggressive tone-setting.

Just didn't want to disappoint you angryclown. Don't lecture me you bigot. I have seen slur after slur come out of your posts and then you pretend to sit back all aghast at this.

And Mitch-this is your blog and it's great to keep it "nice" and all, but is there ANY validity to what Greg and I were getting at? Should we all just tiptoe around the issue and let this crap go on til the whole country is a goner? Can we say that we do not like the blacks we're talking about but DO think the rest are wonderful people? We just can't call the bad ones names? Is that the rule? Because I've seen a hell of a lot of name-calling and slurs thrown around this blog before (lots by good ol' ac)and no one comes to the rescue until now.

Colleen said: "Can we say that we do not like the blacks we're talking about but DO think the rest are wonderful people?"

After Colleen said: "There's many like Condi out there, but I truly don't think they're the majority and I don't mean regarding her education, intelligence, etc. I mean decent & hardworking. Regular folks."

That's what I figured. You're here to have a one-way rant. Typical liberal.

Spectator queried: "Ever hear of a strawman?"

Yeah. That's what Mrs. Spectator calls you behind your back.

Colleen said: "There's many like Condi out there, but I truly don't think they're the majority and I don't mean regarding her education, intelligence, etc. I mean decent & hardworking. Regular folks."

Ladiea and gentlemen, your Republican base.

Oh AC... I've had plenty of encounters with Colleen...

Let's just say she enjoys her Cocoa Puffs if you catch my drift... And no, it has nothing to do with Blacks

Colleen said,

"Can we say that we do not like the blacks we're talking about but DO think the rest are wonderful people?"

Which ones Colleen? Condi Rice and Oprah? How about Cynthia McKinney or Harry Belafonte?

Are they the Blacks you're talking about or are they wonderful people?

I'm curious because according to what you said, they're either the blacks you're talking about or it's the rest...

You're either Condi Rice or you're a "porch Monkey"

Colleen, You're a fool but Pplease don't stop digging yourself in deeper. It's fun to watch...

Yep, you're both so right. And you must be the Dem base-you love to hate and smear Christians (and Bush aka Chimpy-hey, isn't that sort of like Porch Monkey?) and sacrifice unborn children to the altar of yourselves. Yes-you are better than me-I can see that now after you're brilliant postings chastising me.

Mitch said: "There's a criminal out there - hopefully in custody. Racial stereotypes are wrong, both because they smear broadly and because they are a rejection of responsibility; the shooter didn't shoot anyone because of his race."

Well as of this post he has been charged and identified and GASP! he's black! I'm shocked, Shocked I tell you!
And why did some poor shlub take a bullet in the head? Because this sub-human was shooting at another sub-human (race unreported).
Is R.T. correct in saying that there are too many guns on the steeet? Or is it too many sub-humans (pick a race, we got plenty to go around)?

I bet it was Condoleeza.

Doug...

>>Holy bee-jeeesus Greg...

>>Angry much?
>>
>>I know whole communities at Pineridge and >>Rosebud that aren't as angry as you

Doug,
I see it all the time out in Lakota land that guys with your mentality are always shoving their way into their communities and tiospaye with projects, plans, dope, booze, written on paper insanities, etc. Frankly most Northern Plains Indian people would like to run a buffalo herd over your wasichu asses when you act that way to people. Lakota ran your asses into the ground several times and would probably do it again just to test out how taut their bow strings were...hehehe..

...not because they dislike because of your race or skin color, but because of your "know-it-all stuff it down everyone's throat college doctrinarie" attitude....

...they have a great deal of fun when you guys are out of the picture....

...as one tribal chairman from I believe Cheyenne River once quipped in front of a congressional panel on Indian Affairs about waht legislation was needed in Indian Country, we need a "leave us alone law".

...Thank you Colleen for having a clear mind on things...it is not about race or skin color...it is what your race and skin color has become through your actions....

Condoleeza? At Block E? Someone notify Harry Belefonte. If he can call her a house Ni**er can't Greg (a person of color) call another person of color nasty names? It would satisfy the Moveon.Org minded among us (you know who you are) of the ultimate inferiority of these poor downtrodden minorities and the need for sympathetic government intervention.
Then we can turn our attention to the growing Clown problem. Why do they hate us?

To perhaps reorient the dicussion a bit, Al was a drinking buddy from back in the day. I had read and heard of the news reporting the shooting but I was stunned and shocked seeing his picture when I opened the paper yesterday.
Al was fun and funny and smart and a good guy to be next to on a barstool or at a game. The merits of the Bears over the Vikings or why Germans are inferior to the Irish would be picked up where they had been left off months and years earlier.
I am profoundly sad for his fiancee, his mother and father and sisters, his nieces and nephews, and his good friends like my cousin. I am sad that I'll never get to buy him another drink or light his smoke.
I guess that if I didn't know Al, I might be more interested in political goal scoring but I'm not. I'm just sad and disgusted and to be honest afraid. Afraid of Minneapolis, for minneapolis, for my city St. Paul and what this world has come to (its probably been there for a while I guess).

Rest in peace Al.

HA! The picture in my head of angryclown anywhere in "Lakota" land just makes me laugh!! That smart-ass would have a bit of a hard time out there, wouldn't he? He makes fun of the Dakotas (the states)...and that's supposed to be OK to those that live there, but he's full of love for the criminal blacks wherever they may be found. And they are found in every failing city, state and country in this world. He doesn't actually know his ass from a hole in the ground and yet he spouts off constantly. And Doug, he just seems like a Cities lefty-wimp. Doug. Is it Doug Grow possibly?!

My whole point with Condoleeza Rice (I didn't think it was hard to grasp) is that I am fully behind, admire like crazy and can be friends with DECENT people of any color. I am just not going to pretend like the majority of visible blacks (do the nice ones stay home a lot?) fit the category. Hollering obscenities and pushing their way past cowed citizens walking downtown at all hours...not just at night-and that's just being irritating-not deadly. Yeah, gotta love em and apparently put up with it (for some reason). I think we have 2 or 3 adult blacks in our town (yes, it's true!)...and the behavior is just as I described. However, the immigrant Laos & Cambodians we have here are no trouble and work their butts off. Now, if a person were just a raving bigot wouldn't it follow that it would apply to all the ethnicities? I spose it could be said that I'm not around blacks enough to get used to them-why would anyone want or need or should get used to antisocial behavior? Just to gain the approval of the likes of angryclown (who is probably like John Kerry and doesn't actually have anything to do with them himself)? I'm butt-kissing nice to people when they are just "regular" folks. And I wait and see if they are regular folks because sometimes one is surprised...but lots of times not so much.

Greg,

What makes you assume I'm wasichu?

Next, if you in fact know people in Little Earth, there's a good chance they're in my tiospaye.

Further, to your comment that, guys with my mentality are always shoving their way into their communities, the only thing that I have done in their community is support dancers at the invitation of community elders at Manderson and Little Eagle. That and work in the kitchen to feed the elders and other supporters. Oh yeah. And the frequent water runs. Can't forget that.

Sloyayeshni miyelo~

Mitakuye Oyas'in there, Buddy.

Doug (peta wicascha)

Alle,

An dieses blog schreibt man auf English. Es gibt viele gruende dafuer; es gibt nicht viel Deutsch (oder Lakota) ansprecher in dieses forum, und ist's immer unregelmaessig.

Mitch, if you have issues with people posting in languages other than English, you should have reprimanded Kermit for posting in Drunkanese and Colleen for posting in Trailerpark.

Yeah.."trailerpark" is OK but "ghetto porch monkeys" is not. My point is made. BTW, I do not live in a trailerpark....not that there's anything wrong with that....

Colleen, I didn't mean to suggest you lived in a trailer park but since you are so fond of using stereotypes...

"She's (Rice) from a whole different world. She's not a criminal and a lazy good-for-nothing or baby-crankin' machine. There's many like Condi out there, but I truly don't think they're the majority and I don't mean regarding her education"

...I thought I would try stooping to your level to see what it feels like. I didn't really like it.

My apologies to people who live in trailer parks.

To Kermit, you're right. After going back and reading my own posts, I realize i'm not walking my talk.

Kids are off limits and I apologize for going there.

You on the other hand are still a putz...

Sorry.

Dougie,

What is your tiospaye and who is the wicasa wakan you are 'serving'and whose altar is it?

What wiwang wacipi are you dishing up the commods at?

Are are working inside or outside the hocoka?

Have you helped bring the grandfather in and laid it tenderly on the crutches?

Have you kept the fire at the inipi for four days?

Do you know the east gate and why you do not cross it?

Do you know the White Buffalo Calf Woman and the chanuppa?

Have you helped or worked on guys harnesses and pegs?

I have seen too many people from east and west coasts and even Germans come into ceremonies and leave and take it with them and perform it for mazaska later. Even Germans have come and take it back.

Mitch, I am sorry but it is in a language and a way so someone who is an "outsider" will not understand. Only Doug may understand.

Greg said,

"What is your tiospaye and who is the wicasa wakan you are 'serving'and whose altar is it?"

Basil Braveheart

"What wiwang wacipi are you dishing up the commods at?"

Manderson.

"Are are working inside or outside the hocoka?"

I have never danced. I haven't had a dream telling me to.

"Have you helped bring the grandfather in and laid it tenderly on the crutches?"

Inipi? Many times. I'm not sure if that's what you are asking though.

"Have you kept the fire at the inipi for four days?"

For the wiwang wacipi? Yes. For Hableceya? No.

"Do you know the east gate and why you do not cross it?"

Are you refering to the Inipi or wiwang wacipi? Yes, I know why you don't cross it.

"Do you know the White Buffalo Calf Woman and the chanuppa?"

Yes I know the White Buffalo Calf Woman and the chanuppa and no, I don't carry the chanuppa.

"Have you helped or worked on guys harnesses and pegs?"

No. It's not my place.

"Mitch, if you have issues with people posting in languages other than English,"

I don't, really - I'm the language geek, or as it is known in Xhosa, the "Ng(click) mutu(click) m'mgabengbe".

The trailer park stereotypes, fun as they may be, are (as the Dutch would say ) "Schrekheertige".

Pa moy' eto nichevo.

Vorwaerts!

Thank you, Doug.

Good answers in a good way.

People and world are a lot more complex than you may realize.

Mitch, we will quit the Lakota stuff.

Greg and Doug,

In all sincerity, the Lakota stuff was interesting. But, again, I'm the language geek.

And Greg... For the record, I am wasichu but I try to walk in a good way.

I'm not always successful but as the saying goes, spiritual progress, not perfection (if you get my meaning - and reference...) which is why I've been walking the red road for the last 8 or so years.

Doksha

Posted by Greg at April 5, 2006 07:49 AM
Posted by Doug at April 5, 2006 08:57 AM

I'm tempted to say "Wow, it took Doug over an hour to Google all that stuff", but not knowing Doug personally I will (for now) suspend all inclination towards cynicism.

Kermit,

Most of the language I learned from my wife who learned it through Joe Flying By. I think Greg probably knows of Joe.

Besides Kermit, if there's something I don't understand, I have my Buechel Lakota-English dictionary, my James Walker Belief and Ritual book, Black Elk Speaks and the Sacred Pipe for reference.

Doug,

Most of the language I learned from my wife who learned it through Joe Flying By. I think Greg probably knows of Joe.

>>Know his son, Allen, from Little Eagle. I kept the fires going for four days at one wiwang wacipi. No one else to keep fire up and only 8 dancers!!

>>He floats through town once and awhile.

>>Been inside and outside the circle several times and got put up on hill a couple of times in the old time way. All I am going to say about that. People I go visit are out near the old Ironwood Hilltop on the Rosebud.

Just be careful what you put in the Sacred Pipe, Doug. I used to own one.

Greg, I heard Allen was living in Little Eagle again.

Did he pick up his fathers altar?

I never had the honor of meeting Joe before he passed but I have heard he was an amazing man. I don't know Allen but I know of him.

I'm really blessed to know Basil though and I've learned a ton from him. The wiwang wacipi I supported at in Manderson was his brother Bill's.

We're going to try to get to the Horse Sanctuary to support this summer if we can figure out the kid and work situation. It's Basils last year there and we've had to miss the last three...

Kermit, It's called cansasa. It's the underbark of the red willow. It's what is traditionally used to fill the cannunpa.

It's not tobacco as most people believe...

It's also the same place they get asprin from. Intereting eh?

>>Doug,

Greg, I heard Allen was living in Little Eagle again.

>>Allen was a tribal representative out at Little Eagle for awhile and lost his seat I think from what I heard. Nice guy but think he got involved in tribal politics.

Did he pick up his fathers altar?

>>Yep, do not know how well he is doing at it, though. Fired for him one week at ceremony...did not have anybody else. Kept an eye on dancers so they would not tumble over out in arbor. Slept by fire but went out of corral to eat. Ate a lot of buffalo and "smash" (chokecherry puddin'). No diets here for vegans...hehehe...eggs, grease, potatoes, wokolapi....lots of cigs too away from arbor....no mni around them, of course....it was fun...

I never had the honor of meeting Joe before he passed but I have heard he was an amazing man. I don't know Allen but I know of him.

>>Never met the dad...he went to spirit world a few years before. Guess there is some CD/tapes of olowan/songs by him out...

I'm really blessed to know Basil though and I've learned a ton from him. The wiwang wacipi I supported at in Manderson was his brother Bill's.

>>I know some people out towards Kyle. Vincent Blackfeather is a pretty good guy. Think he helps out at ceremony but like most is retired from ceremony business. Watch ceremony many years ago out on old Fools Crow land south of college up that way....next to an old BIA gravel road. They would have a couple hundred dancers out there, then. Needed a traffic cop in the arbor to keep the lines straight....hehehe...

>>What did you think of all that Arvol/Red Cherries stuff that went on some couple years ago?

>>Do you get a lot of Germans out there in summer?

We're going to try to get to the Horse Sanctuary to support this summer if we can figure out the kid and work situation. It's Basils last year there and we've had to miss the last three...

>>Don't know what is going on. Things have gotten real quiet from Lakota country. Think a lot of people are pulling in their horns.

Greg