Mitch said,

"But for all the predictions that we all sat through two years ago - how Air America was going to show America and all of us knuckledragging conservatives how it's done, yadda yadda..."

WTF?

Air America started and offered an alternative to right wing radio. I don't recall ever hearing anyone on AAR boast the way you are suggesting.

And if an un-updated website is the sign of an impending death, when do we all get together for Swiftee's visitation?

When Air America started Al Franken stated plainly that it's primary mission was the defeat of George W. Bush in 2004.
Maybe they'll come up with an original idea after the GOP declares it's candidate in 08. If they can find another Boy's club to rob.

From time to time, I'll listen to Janet Robert and her band of losers for...about 10 minutes. First, its amazing how many ads you hear...for union organizations.

But even more funny is listening to them beg for "donations" and asking people to become involved as contributors. Its like listening to an MPR or TPT telethon. PLLLLLLEEEEESSSE give us some of your dough...our advertising revenue isn't enough.

When you hear a 'commercial' radio station begging for money...you know they are circling the drain. As much as Dougie and his moveon.org cell of village idiots want to dismiss the reality of AAM's impending death.

Kermit said,

"When Air America started Al Franken stated plainly that it's primary mission was the defeat of George W. Bush in 2004."

And what does that have to do with Mitchs' statement that Air America claimed it was going to show America and all of you knuckledragging conservatives how it's done?

Dave said,

"its amazing how many ads you hear...for union organizations."

Funny, I occasionally listen to KSTP. It's amazing how many ad's you hear concerning Macular degeneration and for Slim 4 Life.

I guess the AM 1500 democraphic is a bunch of blind fat people.

Then of course there's always Reese Hair Restoration and eHarmony on the Patriot for balding loosers that can't get a date.

Um.

Mitch didn't say anything about "on-air" predictions. You're just putting those words in his mouth because it's the only thing you can think of to refute.

And Dave didn't engage in speculation as to the makeup of Air America's audience based on the commercial content. Again, he might have other reasons for pointing that out - but you haven't bothered to find out what those reasons might be, have you? Just shove words into his mouth in order to refute them with nonsensical snark.

Typical. Angling for a hosting spot? You'd fit right in.

Humorless Doug ranted "And what does that have to do with Mitchs' (sic) statement that Air America claimed it was going to show America and all of you knuckledragging conservatives how it's done?"

Read any Angryclown post of last few days. It's the bigoted opinion all you Moveon.org koolaid drinkers hold.
And since the point of what I wrote elludes you I'll redirect. When a group is formed for a specific mission and irrevocably fails said mission it will dissolve. Perhaps quickly, perhaps slowly (see Moveon.org).

Exactly Brian. BTW: I have NEVER heard an ad on am1280 or am1500 for the Communications Workers of America, International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers Local 292, International Union of Operating Engineers Local 49, Laborer's Union of Minnesota/North Dakota, Lakes and Plains Regional Council of Carpenters and Joiners, or United Food and Commercial Workers Local 789. NONE of them.

Which begs the question...why would they be advertising? I mean, really? I understand roofers or jewelers or soda manufacturers. They are selling products and trying to increase their market share. But UNIONS? What are they trying to sell? Membership? That's about all.

As far as Dougie-boy's assertion that he's 'heard' these type of union ads on other commercial radio stations...I would challenge that. He can't prove it, but facts rarely make any difference to him. Of course, he completely misses the bigger point of my comments, which was why such a WILDLY successful operation that Janet Robert and her moveon.org burger-flippers are running has to BEG for people to send in money for "memberships"...as in a public radio telethon.

"balding loosers that can't get a date."

But at least they can spell "loser". With one "o".

Brian Jones said,

Um.

Mitch didn't say anything about "on-air" predictions. You're just putting those words in his mouth because it's the only thing you can think of to refute.

Um. Brian, Where did I says ANYTHING about on-air predictions?

If you guys were forced to sit through all of these boasts that Air America was going to show America and all of you knuckledragging conservatives how it's done, surely there must be a really long record of these claims right?

"And Dave didn't engage in speculation as to the makeup of Air America's audience based on the commercial content."

So? Your point would be?

Are you suggesting that (gasp!) AAR has advertisers that have an agenda and that it's bad?

One of the Patriots advertisers is Pro-Life Minnesota - you know - the billboard people with the really cute perfect babies who could wiggle their fingers when they were blastocysts.

One of KSTP's advertisers is an advocacy group that whines constantly about not getting a vote to amend the State constitution.

"As far as Dougie-boy's assertion that he's 'heard' these type of union ads on other commercial radio stations...I would challenge that. He can't prove it, but facts rarely make any difference to him."

I do remember hearing two different ads for the Carpenter's Union about a year ago on either AM1500 or 1280 (one had Tom Bernard doing the voice-over work and the other had a guy who did a commercial for the Taxpayer's League - not David Strom, some other guy who has done other commercials). Bernard's commercial was encouraging carpenters to join the union for higher wages and benefits while the other commercial was encouraging builders to use union labor.

The reason that I remember the ads is because I don’t hear too many radio spots for labor unions and I don’t believe that either ad was being played for any of the major shows on the station (e.g. Soucheray, Rush, Hewitt, Prager, Medved, etc.).

I'll give you that one, Thorley. But those commercials are rare and few-between. Not hourly or even daily.

The more important point is the begging-for-bucks, joining AAM at various "levels" and sending them a check. It smacks of MPR and is a clear indication of how ErrAmerika Minnesota is an abject failure that is doomed for the ash heap, as were Turi Ryder and Jesse Ventura.

Kermit boldly inveighed against stereotyping political opponents thusly: "Read any Angryclown post of last few days. It's the bigoted opinion all you Moveon.org koolaid drinkers hold."

Well some one else accused you of humor and I didn't bother to contradict that. Does this mean you don't characterize all us "right-wingers" as "toothless" and "cousin marrying"?
So what flavor is that Koolaid, AC?

Mitch.

Maybe I meant looser. Did you ever think of that Hmmmmmm...? ops. I mean oops.

"As far as Dougie-boy's assertion that he's 'heard' these type of union ads on other commercial radio stations...I would challenge that."

My God... What is up with the reading comprehension problems with you guys?

Can someone please show me where I said I 'heard' a union commercial on 1500 OR the Patriot?

Anybody?

Dave asked,

"Which begs the question...why would they (the unions) be advertising?"

What about Pro-life Minnesota there Dave?

How about the "Minnesota Citizens who are convinced that Gay Marrage will trigger the apocolypse League"

Why would they be advertising?

I'm still waiting for someone to show me the extensive list of examples where AAR OR it's listemers were claiming it was going to show America and all of you knuckledragging conservatives how it's done?

What was that thing you said Dave...? Oh yeah, "He (Doug) can't prove it, but facts rarely make any difference to him."

Tick Tock there Dave... I'm waiting...

Actually, I have also heard Carpenters Union spots on stations other than AM950.

For some reason - and I might be remembering this wrong - it seems the ones that played on real stations were better-written and better-produced than the ones that appeared on 950. I admit that I might be mixing it up with the other union spots, which sound like they were produced by some sort of self-esteem-building program for the inarticulate.

The carpenters union spots on the real stations, by the way, were perfectly fine; they asked carpenters to join the union (at a time when there was a drastic shortage of carpenters in the Twin Cities).

Oh Dougie-boy. You must have grease from the fryers in your eyes today, because I never made that assertion. Try reading for a minute on this comment thread. Or wear goggles for those eyes.

My assertion was for YOU to explain the MPR-like telethon beg-for-money from this WILDLY successful COMMERCIAL radio operation that Janet "2002 Loser" Robert and idiot-moveon.org clowns like you. I can understand why you don't want to answer...just don't put so much salt on those fries...huh?

So it wasn't you that said this?

As far as Dougie-boy's assertion that he's 'heard' these type of union ads on other commercial radio stations...I would challenge that.

Posted by Dave at March 29, 2006 09:44 AM

And let's take a look at Daves well honed debating skills...

Janet "2002 Loser" Rober, idiot-moveon.org clowns like you AND the Doug works in fast food insult.

Watch out Noam Chomsky! Here comes Dave!

Caught making an idiot of himself and he resorts to cheap insults. Typical.

Yes, Dougie...you can't read. I didn't say it.

Oh, poor Dougie. Hims can't take it. Hims might have to cry. Hims will have to make up some story to make hims self seem relevent...like having the title "radio observer". I bet you already of a tinfoil hat fashioned with your name on the top to prove your 'title'.

Instead of feeling sorry for yourself and your lot in life, how about answering the telethon/money beg that loopy-lib Janet's crew has to make, if they are this WILDLY successful radio station? Hmmm?

Or are you too busy flipping those burgers to notice the question?

Not only are they asking listeners for money, they're also asking them to do their marketing...

From a recent AAR-Minnesota email:
"p.s. If you plan on attending your Senate District caucus, please feel free to pick up some AM950 bumper stickers or call the office and we will send you some to hand out when you go!"

Dave, Honestly? What exactly are you trying to prove with the content of that last post?

As a non-radio listener here are my opinions:

Air America = not a sucessful business model.

I don't think there were a whole lot of people who thought this would somehow overtake right-wing radio. Frankly I don't any major claims being made that anything of the kind would happen. Please enlighten me if I am wrong.

Is it symbolic of some kind of victory of the right over the left? Not likely. It is probably more of a confirmation that a) their programming was sub-par b) the liberal target audience doesn't listen to the radio.

Frankly I don't "recall hearing" any major claims being made that anything of the kind would happen.

Nick: You are right. Anyone who thinks that the impending death of ErrAmerika and/or Janet Robert's Minnesota version of liberal talk radio is some indication of the strength of 'conservative' radio is really kidding themselves.

ErrAmerika was doomed from the start, due to their business model and hosts. I'd like to think that their topics/positions also had a lot to do with it, but its not the biggest factor.

Even liberals listen to Limbaugh and Hannity (even though I'm not a big fan of "You're a great American" Sean). Not because of the content, but because of the host and the host's abilities.

Listening to ErrAmerika is like listening to paint dry. Unprofessional comes to mind.

It's a funny thing, but I can find no Air America mission statement anywhere on the web. Oh well. You can't fail if you're never clear on what it is you're trying to accomplish.

Dave said,

"Yes, Dougie...you can't read. I didn't say it."

Uh huh... So it must have been some other guy named Dave that snuck in here and posted as you... Okie Dokie there Sybil.

"Oh, poor Dougie. Hims can't take it. Hims might have to cry. Hims will have to make up some story to make hims self seem relevent..."

I don't even know what to say. That is just very very VERY strange...

"like having the title "radio observer"."

Ummm... wha?

tinfoil hat... with my name... to prove my 'title'."

What in the hell are you talking about?

"Instead of feeling sorry for yourself and your lot in life,"

Thanks A lot there Dr. Phil.

"how about answering the telethon/money beg that loopy-lib Janet's crew has to make, if they are this WILDLY successful radio station? Hmmm?"

Who in the hell said they were WILDLY successful? Hmmm?

"Or are you too busy flipping those burgers to notice the question?"

You didn't ask a question. You said, "But even more funny is listening to them beg for "donations" and asking people to become involved as contributors. Its like listening to an MPR or TPT telethon. PLLLLLLEEEEESSSE give us some of your dough...our advertising revenue isn't enough."

See... No question... Or was it the other Dave...?

And No Mr. Manson, I'm not flipping burgers. I'm out on the deck grilling fajitas.

Posted by Dave at March 29, 2006 01:13 PM

"Anyone who thinks that the impending death of ErrAmerika...is some indication of the strength of 'conservative' radio is really kidding themselves."

Well put. While Medved and Hewitt may spout an ideology that is borne from a moral suckhole, at least they know how to speak into a microphone. The competition was unlistenable. Air America is to talk radio what the Liberty Film Festival is to Sundance.

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