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March 14, 2006

Furious George's Fantasy Life

George Clooney is proud to be a "liberal".

No word on "delusional", "paranoid" and "overdramatic".

Clooney castigates his fellow Dems:

Too many people run away from the label. They whisper it like you'd whisper "I'm a Nazi." Like it's dirty word.
It's actually true.

I remember in 1980, when I was still more or less proud to be a liberal. I was talking with someone - Dwight Rexin, probably, one of the few kids in my high school who was an overt, articulate Republican and Reagan supporter - and saying in my best George Merrill imitation, "I AM NOT A LIBERRRALLLLL", to make sure I wasn't tarred with that whole "mindless taxmonger who also excuses genocide of little Asian people" label.

But turn away from saying "I'm a liberal" and it's like you're turning away from saying that blacks should be allowed to sit in the front of the bus, that women should be able to vote and get paid the same as a man, that McCarthy was wrong, that Vietnam was a mistake.
Or, alternately, turning away from resting on laurels that are respectively fifty, eighty-five, nonexistant, fifty and thirty years old.
And that Saddam Hussein had no ties to al-Qaeda and had nothing to do with 9/11.
Along with Jimmy Carter's "Malaise" speech, it was his pusillanimity in the face of terrorism that kicked me down the slippery slope to conservatism; statements like Clooney's (ignoring the fact that deposing Hussein never hinged on involvement in 9/11 - not an iota - assure me I made the right call, and that the Dems' big hope is to keep repeating, a la Goebbels, enough big lies to draw enough credulous dumb people to keep voting for them.
This is an incredibly polarized time (wonder how that happened?).
It probably has a lot to do with the preening hatred so many liberals - like Clooney - feel for 51% of their countrymen.
But I find that, more and more, people are trying to find things we can agree on. And, for me, one of the things we absolutely need to agree on is the idea that we're all allowed to question authority. We have to agree that it's not unpatriotic to hold our leaders accountable and to speak out.
What whiny, self-absorbed garbage.

For starters, part of free speech is defending your speech (not your right to speak, but the actual contents of it) against those who disagree with you. You have the right to speak freely; you do not have the right to speak without fear of being spoken against.

Oh, yeah - and I have never seen a credible right-wing commentator call any lefty speech "unpatriotic" - except for a few cases where it demonstrably wasn't.

And so what? When you're a conservative, you not only get used to dimbulb commenters calling you stupid, fundamentalist, chickenhawk, jihadi, 101st Fighting Keyboards, wishing you a lingering dealth from Alzheimers, and on, and on. You learn to ignore the idiots and defend yourself against the rest.

So no, George - nobody's called you "unpatriotic" - just a jagoff. And even if someone did - so what? Be a man and defend yourself. In your fantasy universe, liberals defend civil rights; so defend yours.

Because Clooney - long-time Hollywood star, with access to power and money and influence like few of us will ever know, seems to be a real pantywaist about criticism:

The fear of been criticized can be paralyzing.
Criticism - especially ugly, below the belt attacks - can indeed be paralyzing. Like when the conservative commentator said about a liberal who has Alzheimers "He deserves it" - well, that might be read as extremely ugly, a direct assault that could chill free speech.

Of course, it wasn't a conservative - it was George Clooney, exercising his love of free, rational discourse, three years ago, talking about Charleton Heston.

Just look at the way so many Democrats caved in the run up to the war. In 2003, a lot of us were saying, where is the link between Saddam and bin Laden? What does
Iraq have to do with 9/11? We knew it was bullshit. Which is why it drives me crazy to hear all these Democrats saying, "We were misled." It makes me want to shout, "Fuck you, you weren't misled. You were afraid of being called unpatriotic."
Alternate explanation:
  • They knew which way the voters were trending
  • They, in those pre-Murtha days, remembered there were four reasons for invading Iraq; WMDs (which everyone, Democrats included, were assured by most of the world's credible intelligence services (and the CIA) existed), human rights violations, violations of UN resolutions, and links to terror (not just Al Quaeda).
Why would they pay attention to any of that?

Oh, yeah - some of them were sentient.

Bottom line: it's not merely our right to question our government, it's our duty.
I wonder - what was George Clooney saying when people were exercising their duty to question the government in the form of Clinton's lying to investigators and making up privileges, what were Clooney et al saying?
Whatever the consequences. We can't demand freedom of speech then turn around and say, But please don't say bad things about us. You gotta be a grown up and take your hits.
Koff koff koff
I am a liberal. Fire away.
OK, here goes.

How can you tell George Clooney is wrong, out of touch, and telling about one third of the truth?

His lips are moving.

Have your people call my people, George. I'll try not to intimidate you too badly.

Posted by Mitch at March 14, 2006 07:38 AM | TrackBack
Comments

George is just filling in for Tim Robbins. Remember Tim at the National Press Club?
"There's a chill wind blowing accross America. Dissent is being stifled".

Posted by: Kermit at March 14, 2006 09:07 AM

Mitch, for Clooney and his ilk the fear of being criticized IS paralyzing. Remember where his wealth and power come from for those in the entertainment industry: the public. If he manages to ignite enough of a storm of public opinion, he loses both his income and his power.

Of course, he's well on his way to seriously ticking off a good chunk of the public, not that there's anything wrong with that.

Posted by: nerdbert at March 14, 2006 10:06 AM

Mitch said,

"(ignoring the fact that deposing Hussein never hinged on involvement in 9/11 - not an iota."


Sure Mitch... Not at all... Not one little teeny little bit...

and...

"When you're a conservative, you not only get used to dimbulb commenters calling you stupid, fundamentalist, chickenhawk, jihadi, 101st Fighting Keyboards, wishing you a lingering dealth from Alzheimers, and on, and on. You learn to ignore the idiots and defend yourself against the rest."

Hey Mitch... What was that you were saying about "whiny, self-absorbed garbage."

and this...

"It probably has a lot to do with the preening hatred so many liberals - like Clooney..."

You answer a generalization made by Ed Schultz with a generalization about liberals. Brilliant Mitch... Stunningly Brilliant.

By the way, we can't tell from your link, http://www.shotinthedark.info/archives/004484.html if Schultz was talking about ALL conservatives as you suggest or if he had singled out the ones who do wrap themselves in the three G's. They're out there Mitch - even if you fail to understand that.

You don't distinguish because you wouldn't get as much mileage whining about how terribly persecuted you are.

AND... Clooney wasn't complaining about being criticized as you seem to believe. He was suggesting to the timid and quiet liberals not to put up with your party's (and many conservatives) bullying and condescending crap anymore.

I've been vocal and spoke up for almost 6 years and I've had my car vandalized twice, harrassed at home with phone calls, threatened to be expelled from a polling site for excersizing my right to be an observer, had campaign signs stolen or vandalized in my yard and replaced with beer cans, had my mailbox and it's contents pissed on after holding an MoveOn house party.

Sorry but as much as you slam, mock and insult me and my ilk, I'm not about to stop what I'm doing and that just drives you guys nuts.


Posted by: Doug at March 14, 2006 10:38 AM

"The fear of been [sic] criticized can be paralyzing."

I almost can't believe he said that. I am not a physically courageous person in the least, but even so I've never felt stifled by fear of criticism, unless -- and this might be a key point -- unless I wasn't entirely sure of my facts.

So maybe his line should have been "The fear of being criticized legitimately -- and shown to be the shallow thinker you really are -- can be paralyzing."

Posted by: Steve G. at March 14, 2006 10:44 AM

Posted by St. Doug at March 14, 2006 10:38 AM

You must live in a rough neighborhood. I blame liberal policies.

Posted by: Kermit at March 14, 2006 10:47 AM

Doug wrote:

"Sure Mitch... Not at all... Not one little teeny little bit..."

Ah. The old "sarcastic negation" argument. Can't argue with that. Check and mate!

"Hey Mitch... What was that you were saying about "whiny, self-absorbed garbage."

Huh?

We get called names. I acknowledge it. You must be toking from the same bong of misguided, unearned self-righteousness as Eva Young to call that "whining".

Not that reason matters to you...

"By the way, we can't tell from your link, http://www.shotinthedark.info/archives/004484.html if Schultz was talking about ALL conservatives as you suggest or if he had singled out the ones who do wrap themselves in the three G's. They're out there Mitch - even if you fail to understand that."

The quote stands by itself, and would have if you'd heard it; "The reason the Republicans won were the Three Gs - God, Guns and Gays". This was on the Wednesday after the '04 election.

"You don't distinguish because you wouldn't get as much mileage whining about how terribly persecuted you are."

If you're trying to make a living as a clairvoyant, you need to go back to the drawing board. I'm not "whining" - never have, never will. And if you think that being a Democrat in Hollywood is as socially "interesting" as being a Republican in the Twin Cities or Berkeley or New Haven, then your perspective really can't be spoken to.

The left whines incessantly about how they're intimidated - Clooney said it in as many words.

"AND... Clooney wasn't complaining about being criticized as you seem to believe. He was suggesting to the timid and quiet liberals not to put up with your party's (and many conservatives) bullying and condescending crap anymore. "

You parse with the grace of a Serbian jazz band.

I've been vocal and spoke up for almost 6 years and I've had my car vandalized twice, harrassed at home with phone calls,"

Let's take your word for that for a moment; so what? I mean, I'm sorry to hear it, and if I were in the position to defend you against it I'd do so (and, indeed, have). But you're not George Clooney, you're not in Hollywood, and the people he's castigating came up through the world with silver social and political spoons. They don't get harassed, they don't get attacked, they get nothing but pampered and deferred to and invited to lunch. Cut the crap and knock off the bogus distinctions.

"threatened to be expelled from a polling site for excersizing my right to be an observer"

I have no idea what the law is in your jurisdiction, so have no idea if you were acting within your legal rights or not. That is a touchy area in many jurisdictions. Especially left-leaning ones.

"had campaign signs stolen or vandalized in my yard"

Er, me too. Constantly, as in just about every election.

"Sorry but as much as you slam, mock and insult me and my ilk, I'm not about to stop what I'm doing and that just drives you guys nuts."

Pffft. Unlike "you and your ilk", I don't get threatened by dissent and differing opinion. You forget (or choose to ignore) that I WAS a liberal. I value (unlike, it would see, Clooney) difference in opinion.

Posted by: mitch at March 14, 2006 10:59 AM

Doug, you should have been in Rochester for the 2004 election cycle. The vandalization and theft of Bush/Cheney campaign signs was rampant. But, yeah, keep thinking that it's just Republicans who do that.

Posted by: Ryan at March 14, 2006 11:01 AM

"But, yeah, keep thinking that it's just Republicans who do that."

And for heaven's sake, dont' whine!

Posted by: Geoff at March 14, 2006 11:20 AM

I'm glad Clooney is proud to be a liberal...if he had said I'm proud to be an actor then we'd really have something to argue about.

Posted by: Ed Field at March 14, 2006 11:31 AM

Ryan said,

"But, yeah, keep thinking that it's just Republicans who do that."

Ryan, find a line from my post that says that... Can't find one? Maybe because I never said it.

Clooneys statement is clear. If you are a liberal, don't be intimidated into silence.

I illustrated my own experience to make a point. In the past, others have tried to intimidate me but it didn't work. You can only be intimidated if you allow yourself to feel intimidated.

Clooney isn't talking to me - he's talking to others who don't but should have the strength to stand up for their beliefs and convictions.

Also, don't get me wrong. I'm not complaining about the attempts make to get me to shup up. I'm used to it but if it gets out of hand, I'll gladly excersize my second amendent rights.

Posted by: Doug at March 14, 2006 11:41 AM

Mitch said,

"I value (unlike, it would see, Clooney) difference in opinion."

This is totally wacked. Clooney writes a piece about the necessity to speak out and be heard when you have a differing opinion and you attack him for not valuing a difference of opinion...?


Posted by: Doug at March 14, 2006 11:55 AM

No, Doug, what is "wacked" is that Clooney *documentably* doesn't have the same respect for others' dissent that he demands for his' and other liberals'.

Did you catch the link to him wishing death on Charleton Heston? A person whose only "crime" is leading a group that, like (supposedly) Clooney, dissents from authority?

That, as they say, is "wacked".

Or is it OK when people like George Clooney spout hate?

Posted by: mitch at March 14, 2006 12:27 PM

No, Doug, what is "wacked" is that Clooney *documentably* doesn't have the same respect for others' dissent that he demands for his' and other liberals'.

Did you catch the link to him wishing death on Charleton Heston? A person whose only "crime" is leading a group that, like (supposedly) Clooney, dissents from authority?

That, as they say, is "wacked".

Or is it OK when people like George Clooney spout hate?

Posted by: mitch at March 14, 2006 12:28 PM

"Clooneys statement is clear. If you are a liberal, don't be intimidated into silence."

His subtext is equally clear; *legal* conservative opinion is itself "intimidation".

Clooney (along with other lefty talking heads) has said it himself; *talk radio* is, itself, a form of intimidation! The very fact that conservatives *have* an outlet (to counter the big three networks, CNN, MSNBC, CNBC, and 80% of the nation's newspapers) is "intimidating" to liberals - or so says Clooney!

He's not bitching about liberals being physically attacked (the left does more of that anyway); he's bitching about them "Feeling" afraid to express liberal views!

Posted by: mitch at March 14, 2006 12:34 PM

No Mitch I didn't catch Clooney wishing death to Heston. I did however catch Ann Coulter calling Bill Clinton a rapist and joking about assasinating him.

Of course she's not part of the Hollywood scene so no prob right Mitch?

Posted by: Doug at March 14, 2006 06:09 PM

Mitch said,

"His subtext is equally clear; *legal* conservative opinion is itself "intimidation"."

Maybe you don't understand the difference between being intimidating and being intimidated.

Excercizing your right of free speech by suggesting that we liberals are in league with al Qaida and want harm done to this country is an attempt to intimidate us and one could argue that yes, that kind of crap is intimidating.

I won't take the bait so no - I'm not intimidated by it but you know as well as I do that the goal of this is not to have a healthy and open dicourse.

If you naively believe that all conservative opinion is that innocent and neutral, then you're either an idiot or really REALLY brainwashed.

Posted by: Doug at March 14, 2006 06:32 PM

"No Mitch I didn't catch Clooney wishing death to Heston"

Figures.

"I did however catch Ann Coulter calling Bill Clinton a rapist and joking about assasinating him."

So who's defending Coulter?

But you're defending - and justifying - Clooney's snivelling. And you're doing it in a perpetually insulting manner. Not that I can't handle that and much worse, but please.

I do wonder, sometimes, Doug, if you can go an entire comment without dragging out a spectacularly uncalled-for strawman?

"Maybe you don't understand the difference between being intimidating and being intimidated."

Help! I"m being intimidated!

Please. It's an all-purpose whine to demonize all dissent from the left.

"Excercizing your right of free speech by suggesting that we liberals are in league with al Qaida and want harm done to this country is an attempt to intimidate us and one could argue that yes, that kind of crap is intimidating."

Oh, give it a rest. I've suggested no such thing - and if someone did, so what?

I've been called a babykiller for supporting the Second Amendment, a rich amoral white oligarch for supporting the Taxpayers league, and a woman-abuser for supporting the presumption of joint physical custody in divorce cases. Am I intimidated? Pffft. I pick stuff out of my stool in the morning that matters more to me.

"If you naively believe that all conservative opinion is that innocent and neutral,"

Which I don't...

" then you're either an idiot or really REALLY brainwashed."

And if you think that "either you're an idiot or you're mentally defective" is good argumentation, you're either...

...well, we'll leave it there.

Posted by: mitch at March 14, 2006 06:45 PM

Let's review shall we?

"His subtext is equally clear; *legal* conservative opinion is itself "intimidation"."

I offer an example of *legal* conservative opinion...

"suggesting that we liberals are in league with al Qaida and want harm done to this country"

and your response is...

drum roll please...

"Oh, give it a rest. I've suggested no such thing - and if someone did, so what?"

So in other words, much of what gets passed off as innocent conservative opinion is in fact not so subtle attempts to intimidate anyone who dare raise questions.

As I said in a previous post, Clooney's not talking to me. He's talking to the Gutless wonders in the Democratic leadership and to the average Joe Democrats that are too afraid to speak up.

But I can see why that would be such a threat to you.

Posted by: Doug at March 14, 2006 07:42 PM

"But I can see why that would be such a threat to you."

Wow. You'll have to let me in on the secret sometime.

The breathlessness with which you personalize this, Doug, is bizarre.

Posted by: mitch at March 14, 2006 09:24 PM

Mitch, I'm using the term "you" to describe your party and the conservative movement.

It's not personal.

Posted by: Doug at March 14, 2006 09:55 PM

Mitch said,

"Wow. You'll have to let me in on the secret sometime."

There's no secret Mitch. In '94, the Republicans finally got their sh*t together and the result was the Contract with America and the Republicans taking the House.

They were organized, smart, rich and had allies like Richard Mellon Scaife, Roger Ailes and Rupert Murdoch pimping for them. And we can't forget about Rush Limbaugh. He certainly helped.

Of course it (their agenda), was all smoke and mirrors and slick marketing but it worked. American fell for it and you guys got an impeachment out of the deal.

That's why you guys have to keep whining about George Soros and those evil hollywood leftists like George Clooney. If the Democrats actually ever got their heads out of their asses and quit running scared whenever someone in the alleged leftwing media accuses them of being soft on national secutity, they might actually be able to acomplish something.

It's a pretty simple strategy Mitch. You guys keep the Democrats continually on the defensive and they'll trip over themselves trying to prove they are in the mainstream - as defined by the rightwing of course.

With regard to Clooneys comment...

I'm speaking for myself and a small handfull of others here but I knew three years ago that the WMD claims were pure crap. A lot of Democrats did too but rather than speaking out, they went along with the program.

In fact, I had a lengthy discussion about this with someone who worked for Dayton. What she said, (and it's something that doesn't get discussed openly) is that, a lot of the Democrats and many Republicans that did support the Presidents decision to use force in Iraq, did it believing that it was vital to show a unified front BUT never believed for one minute that it would actually go as far as it did.

Now they're stuck with their decision to go along with an obvious distortion of the facts. For them to now claim we were wrong or made a mistake on intelligence is nothing more than shifting the blame.

All Clooney is saying is F**k the pundits and Republican bobble heads.

I'm defending Clooney because Clooney is right. It's time the Democrats and we liberals quit acting like kicked little puppies.

As I have said before, you can only be intimidated if you allow yourself to be intimidated.

Posted by: Doug at March 15, 2006 08:20 AM

"As I have said before, you can only be intimidated if you allow yourself to be intimidated. "

And since so much of Democrat philosophy is built on victimhood, perhaps that explains quite a bit.

Posted by: mitch at March 15, 2006 09:30 AM

"And since so much of Democrat philosophy is built on victimhood, perhaps that explains quite a bit."

You mean like when all those people were calling KSTP and complaining that they were being intimidated by MoveOn volunteers?

Or how about all of those poor persecuted Christians who were forced to sit and watch while we liberals took their Christmas away from them.

Posted by: Doug at March 15, 2006 10:30 PM

"You mean like when all those people were calling KSTP and complaining that they were being intimidated by MoveOn volunteers?"

I have no doubt that there was some intimidation involved; that's the way the local lefties work. You might not have done it yourself, or observed it (and in any case it'd be a statement against interest I'd not expect you to make), and I'll allow that some people may assign the same sense of the dramatic to the normal scrum of interhuman communication that, er, you do - but from what I heard, some MoveOn members were not nearly as restrained as you described yourself being.

"Or how about all of those poor persecuted Christians who were forced to sit and watch while we liberals took their Christmas away from them."

Um, there's a legitimate complaint there.

Posted by: mitch at March 16, 2006 12:03 PM

Mitch said,

"Um, there's a legitimate complaint there."

Legitimate except for the fact that no one is trying to take Christmas away from Christians.

It's no different than the irrational, ill-informed rant that you're not allowed to pray in public schools.


Or were you you agreeing with me... Sometimes you catch me off guard...

Posted by: Doug at March 16, 2006 06:58 PM

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