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March 07, 2006

Absolute Moral Authority

Joe Reppya - Twin Citian and now veteran of three wars, who volunteered to go back to Iraq, where he will likely be celebrating his sixtieth birthday shortly - hammers Nick Coleman:

Too bad that our veterans and Gold Star parents have to purchase ad space to get their side of the argument out. However, veterans owe Coleman a debt of gratitude for one thing: He, along with the recent statements of Minnesota DFL Party Chair Brian Melendez, exposed the real "Big Lie" the radical left and some like Coleman in the media have been saying about the war in Iraq. That "lie" started at the beginning of Operation Iraqi Freedom: "We support the troops but not their mission."

By calling the Midwest Heroes ad "un-American, untruthful and a lie," they have proven they support neither the troops nor their mission. I suspect they never have.

I'd love to hear Coleman's response.

Posted by Mitch at March 7, 2006 07:31 AM | TrackBack
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"I'd love to hear Coleman's response."


I would, too. Have you checked the weather forecast for hell lately?

Posted by: Brad at March 7, 2006 10:10 AM

I suspect that Coleman, who understands Repya is a political operative, will not stoop to responding to this kind of drivel.

"Too bad that our veterans and Gold Star parents have to purchase ad space to get their side of the argument out.

- well, of course, THEY didn't purchase it, the PAC funding them did. Lie #1.


However, veterans owe Coleman a debt of gratitude for one thing: He, along with the recent statements of Minnesota DFL Party Chair Brian Melendez, exposed the real "Big Lie" the radical left and some like Coleman in the media have been saying about the war in Iraq. That "lie" started at the beginning of Operation Iraqi Freedom: "We support the troops but not their mission."

- They owe them a debt of gratitude for exposing the "big lie". That's nonsensical. But let's talk about the lie he says exists - that you can't believe in telling troops they did their job and duty, while still questioning the administration. By that logic, anytime we go to war, for whatever reason, the policy that got us there, the lies told to get us there, are NEVER to be questioned. Considering the war on terrorism will have no end, I guess that means we are NEVER to criticize the President or his decisions regarding Iraq. I've met Joe Repya, he's a decent guy, but this is crap. You CAN SO discount the mission while still believing in providing support to the troops and not blaming them for doing their jobs (the primary complaint of Vietnam veterans was the lack of respect they received upon return). Show them respect, but the mission is right to be questioned.

By calling the Midwest Heroes ad "un-American, untruthful and a lie," they have proven they support neither the troops nor their mission. I suspect they never have.

- Well, that's his opinion, but his comments prove nothing of the sort. By questioning an ad that misrepresents the reality - things like the fact that Al Qaeda is the primary obstacle (it isn't) - by questioning such, you are not attacking the troop, you are attacking an organized political machine hiding behind a flag and "all-american" photo-ops. I think it's more than fair to say that the most American thing you can do is question when our troops are used improperly, and seek to end involvement in something which was ill-conceived, unjust, and improbable to turn out well - thus putting them in jeapordy for a cause that is not feasible. I am certain that the soldier expresses his fervently held beliefs, but his beliefs are anecdotal and not supported by emperical fact. At least 90% of the opposition is not Al Qaeda, and saying it is, even if you are a troop from Iraq, does not make it so. Further, MANY other soldiers have refuted this commentary - Repya is improperly using this soldier as a political foil for his own designs.

It's shameful, but Coleman has more class than to dignify it with a response. It's a shame Mitch appears to not have the class to see it for what it is and refrain from exploiting anecdotalism and feigned patriotism dressed up in a the guise of a commercial taking advantage of this kid.

PB

Posted by: pb at March 7, 2006 11:42 AM

The OCD Poster Child blathered: "At least 90% of the opposition is not Al Qaeda, and saying it is, even if you are a troop from Iraq, does not make it so."

Which indicates a level of cluelessness that borders on monumental. It also admits 10% IS al Qaeda.
So if I say "At least 90% of the opposition is al Qaeda, and saying it's, even if you have never been to Iraq, does not make it not so." OCD boy would have to agree, no?

Posted by: Kermit at March 7, 2006 11:50 AM

Saying it's NOT. Sorry, circular logic isn't easy for me.

Posted by: Kermit at March 7, 2006 11:52 AM

Kermit,

I was trying to be generous, most of the studies of captured insu_rgents say it's FAR less than 10%- more like 2-4%. Unlike Mitch, I don't need to resort to gross exageration and hyperbole to make a point. The issue is that Al Qaeda is hated in Iraq by most folks, dressing up the opposition as Al Qaeda is misrepresentative of the truth. The primary problem we face is that the Sunnis see us as occupiers they hate, while the Shiia see as occupiers they want to have leave. In either case, we're simply not wanted.

This 'ad' (aka political conconction) says things which distort the truth - and distort is grossly understated.

I'm not sure what you were driving at, but saying that the opposition is Al Qaeda - thereby implying they are the key problem, key opposition, is misleading the public. If that logic is hard for you to follow, well, sorry, but it's just not that great a leap.

The real problem is the two factions are going to tear each other apart. Putting window dressing on the problem, calling it something it isn't, is A LIE. Repya saying it's NOT a lie doesn't make it truthful. He didn't defend the comments and say they were true, he said that even questioning them, even calling them untrue, is unpatriotic. That's crap of the highest order. It's basically saying "I don't have to prove what I say, I merely have to say your a communist for saying anything against me." THAT's why it's cheap, and why Mitch, who self-professes to be a genius, should have seen through it. Instead, in his zeal to find more crap to attack the powerless opposition with, he apes the same nonsense.

If the "ad's" assertions are true, that the key opposition is Al Qaeda, then stand by the comments, but questioning the decency and loyalty of those who would suggest evidence says otherwise and feel they are reasonably trying to stand up for the country - suggesting they are disloyal, is ducking the requirement to defend your "facts". The reason is two-fold, first, they attack first last and always - per Lee Atwater, NEVER defend your position - and second, because they KNOW they have indefensible claims, meaning, their claims are LIES.

PB

Posted by: pb at March 7, 2006 12:24 PM

Mitch..

Can you please clarify why Ur_gent and K-ccom (remove the -c) are screened words on your bad word filter?

It means saying things like block-ccommunication and Insur_gency are blocked by your filter.

PB

Posted by: pb at March 7, 2006 12:26 PM

PB-
Your comments would make sense if the DFL had answered the gold star ads with an ad of their own. They didn't, instead they tried to shut them down. In Menendez' words the ads were "un-American, untruthful and a lie . . .". Yet you have the nerve to say that it is the people on the right who are "questioning the decency and loyalty of those who would suggest evidence says otherwise and feel they are reasonably trying to stand up for the country - suggesting they are disloyal . . ."

Posted by: Terry at March 7, 2006 12:43 PM

"The real problem is the two factions are going to tear each other apart."

Peeb, you are just plain dead wrong. Almost two weeks ago the very holy Shi'a Golden Mosque was blown up. The WaPo published a lie saying 1300 people died in "sectarian" violence. Didn't happen. The Iraqi army (Not the US) kept the peace. Sunni and Shi'a alike stood side by side and began top clear the mess up.
The only factions I see likely to tear each other apart are the moderate and moonbat factions in the Democrat party. Can't wait for that convention.

Posted by: Kermit at March 7, 2006 12:52 PM

When Moonbats move as one, fear and the treacly sweetness of pinto beans follow. We are an Army of Quite a Few who could dessimate and dessicate all those who stand before us, but then what fodder would lay at our feet to amuse us? Oh, woe be unto those non-Moonbatters who giggle at our sight and gesticulate wildly when we actually break down and buy that clue! Yes, it is to be feared....Us Moonbats On Parade (as it were).

Posted by: MoonBat One at March 7, 2006 01:31 PM

You are so wrong, "Pb"

Posted by: Max at March 7, 2006 06:18 PM

Oh I see. It's quite alright for the DFL to run their own slam campaign, but the other side can't retaliate? Look folks, the only people being hurt here are OUR troops. Like us, they read the NY Times, the Washington Post and CNN.com. Do you really think it makes THEM feel good to see all the negativity? Clearly, none of you naysayers have friends and/or family serving overseas. For if you did, you would be ashamed of the negativity you are spreading!

Posted by: Luv2Box at March 7, 2006 08:53 PM

Joe - Thanks for speaking out and thank you for your service. For my family, from children to great grandparents, the work our soldiers and allies are doing in Iraq is making it a more peaceful place for tomorrow, next year and next decade.

I sincerely echo your sentiments that the only way to get out the otherside of the Iraq story is through advertising. Well unfortunately that's not all true. Through the new blog-sphere, Americans who refuse to take the media as gospel can refute the claim our work in Iraq is failing.

Take the civil war that Iraq was apparently on the brink of last week. Why do we not continue hearing stories of violence and unrest? It is not because Americans intervened. It is because IRAQI POLICE INTERVENED. A multi-sectarian police force stood as one nation's security unit and returned the nation back to order.

The Iraq we're beginning to know is because soldiers like Joe Reppya, the Midwest Heroes, and all our troops - let's let them finish their job and not constantly condemn their efforts.

Posted by: George at March 7, 2006 10:26 PM

Luv2Box -- Exactly. But not only do OUR troops read the biased negativity of the MSM, so do our enemies. Their goal is to hold out long enough for enough of the US citizenery to lose its stomach for war and call for a pull out.
The troops overwhelmingly believe in the mission. Therefore it is disrespectful and insulting to claim to be 'for the troops but against the mission.' You might as well be saying, 'the troops are too dumb to know they are dupes, but we still support them.'
If the DFL believed the ads to be inaccurate they had every right to run their own ads to the contrary. Of course they wouldn't do that, because they'd have to state over the air waves that they believe the battle for Iraq can't be won. They believe it, but they don't want to say it.
The DHL might not be the PR branch of the insurgency, but I don't know how it would act differently if it was.

Posted by: chriss at March 7, 2006 10:45 PM

Er, that would be DFL. Doh.
I send too many packages by DHL -- and spend too little time proof reading.

Posted by: chriss at March 7, 2006 10:46 PM

I couldn't have said it better if I had tried - it is indeed a "BIG LIE" to say you support the troops and not their mission. To support the troops you have to understand that they are dedicated to their mission and finishing it. To truly support them you have to support their efforts and those efforts are their mission. The men and women of our armed services deserve more than just a slap on the back and the attitude of "I respect what you do man". They deserve our undieing gratitude for ensuring our freedom by serving in harms way and doing so voluntarily. Coleman's assessment that the Midwest Heroes are "un-American" is appaling at best. I don't know if he was attempting to pull a publicity stunt by enraging so many people, but either way he is the only one who appears un-American. I can only say that I am proud and honored to stand behind a flag and a nation protected by our U.s. Troops.

Posted by: Abi at March 9, 2006 05:54 AM

I truly do not understand how you can constantly criticize the mission of our troops and believe that you're being patriotic by claiming to still "respect" the men and women there fighting for our country. Who wants to fight for a country that doesn't believe in what they're doing? Not only that, you can question the acts of the administration, but not at the cost of our troop's safety and morale. Is it possible to give credit to what they have done over there while doing this criticism of the administration? It appears those who oppose the war can't find anything positive - how are you respecting these men by disregarding the progress made? I don't see you mentioning the schools and businesses being opened, the first democratic election in that country (or the Middle East), the development of sewage systems, roads, etc. All of these things ensure the Iraqi nation will continue as a democracy and an ally of the US while fight terrorism in their nation. I feel a lot safer knowing we have accomplished this in a nation previously ruled by a dictator who clearly (and loudly) hated Americans. In fact, it would have been irresponsible for our Administration to ignore the relationship that exists between Iraq and Al Qaida given the contacts between them and their passionate hatred towards the U.S. You can believe your negativism, but I choose to support our troops in every way - so they can come home proud.

Posted by: AnnaB at March 9, 2006 08:59 AM

By calling the Midwest Heroes ad "un-American, untruthful and a lie," they have proven they support neither the troops nor their mission. I suspect they never have.

That would be because it's true that the "midwest heros" are lying thru their teeth. One more time-there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. Saddam wasn't connected to 9/11 or al queda. "Midwest heroes" is propoganda on the level of holocaust revisionism or people who deny the moon landings!

Posted by: Chris at March 26, 2006 10:14 AM

I would, too. Have you checked the weather forecast for hell lately?
Posted by: Brad at March 7, 2006 10:10 AM

Are you getting ready to go there? Tell demogorgon hello for me!

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