This kind of talk always reminds me of the BMW commercial, touting their safety, with the soccer mom driving her kids around, merrily taking part in their back-seat play as she approached a RR crossing. Would she manage to bring her wandering attention back to the road in time to prevent them all from getting creamed by the oncoming train? The Beamer's excellent brakes gave her precious extra milliseconds and disaster was averted.

I watched the commercial every time it was on for any sign that BMW wasn't claiming that their car permitted inattentive driving. Never saw it.

This kind of talk always reminds me of the BMW commercial, touting their safety, with the soccer mom driving her kids around, merrily taking part in their back-seat play as she approached a RR crossing. Would she manage to bring her wandering attention back to the road in time to prevent them all from getting creamed by the oncoming train? The Beamer's excellent brakes gave her precious extra milliseconds and disaster was averted.

I watched the commercial every time it was on for any sign that BMW wasn't claiming that their car permitted inattentive driving. Never saw it.

Mitch, Mitch, Mitch... C'mon now, don't YOU start with the demonization of the SUV drivers too! Rollovers were certainly an issue with older models of SUV's, however with the introduction of electronic stability control, it actually puts the odds of rollever in many models on an equal par with autos. Also, as for safety, it is very much an issue of physics, the mass of an SUV vs the smaller mass of a passenger car makes the SUV safer. From consumer reports: The frontal crash tests performed by NHTSA and IIHS simulate a collision between two vehicles of the same weight. However, many real-world collisions occur between vehicles that are of different sizes and weights, often with predictable results. As the IIHS states, "All else being equal, larger and heavier vehicles are safer than smaller, lighter ones" in a crash. This is because larger, heavier vehicles project more of their energy into other vehicles, at the smaller vehicles' expense. Of course, such an imbalance of energy transfer helps to better protect the larger vehicles' occupants.

There are a couple of other things. In the snowy weather, and SUV's AWS or four wheel drive is ALWAYS safer then the two wheel drive of a passenger car. It is true, that some may feel a false sense of security with this feature and drive too fast for conditions, but when it comes to the safety of the vehicle itself, and not the driver, an SUV equipped with AWS and Electronic stability control is a much safer car. Insurance knows this too because my insurance for my brand new Chevy Tahoe LT costs LESS then my absolutely horrible in winter but fun to drive Honda Prelude (RIP Honda Prelude- died on the road this year).

Finally, it came down to this for me when I purchased my Chevy Tahoe this year: We had two cars, one the heretofore mentioned Honda prelude (for me mostly to go to work) and a Toyota 4runner 2000 lt. Both were paid off, and then suddenly my honda died. So we needed a new car. My son is 17 months old and I have another due in the next couple of weeks. First, we couldn't even TRY to fit my son in the honda, it was just too small. With the giant car seats it just didn't fit. Even in the 4runner, we had to put the car seat in the middle and it effectively cramped the whole car. I am 6'3 and I need to recline the seat way back in that car and the car seat made that difficult. Plus, since we had to put the seat in the MIDDLE of the back seat, it made it hard to carry passengers in the back unless they were small. Now, imagine if we have two children less than 2 years apart? Where are they going to go? Our only choice was a bigger SUV or a minivan. With the safety features of the Tahoe, the optional 3rd row seating and the dvd player, and finally a vehicle that FIT ME for once, the tahoe was the way to go. Not to mention that the tahoe can get up to 19 miles per gallon on highway driving, better than the 4runner. Finally, and I just need to get this out to all those who look down their noses at big SUV's and their gas consumption: My wife drives the Tahoe around town, she is a stay at home mom and will put less then 10000 miles on the car per year even with family trips to wisconsin. That being said, we are consuming less gas than many people with high MPG cars do, and we are getting the bonus of safety and comfort to boot. So, before people get ready to hang SUV drivers, think of these things. Also, look around on the roads, because so far this year every vehicle I have seen in a ditch has been a sedan, and Every crazy driver I have seen weave in and out of traffic has been in a car. Usually a young person. SUV drivers are more likely to be families or people with children. The types of people that drive recklessly usually can't afford SUV's or want smaller more nimble vehicles.

Sorry meant AWD- all wheel drive not AWS in the previous post.

I think what Mitch is getting at (and I have certainly seen this many times) is that SUV drivers tend to be overconfident of their vehicles abilities. I remember when 169 (going south to Shakopee) was still 2 lanes and under construction. I watched some guy get his AWD vehicle stuck in axel deep mud because he figured that his AWD could handle the mud and he was too busy to sit in traffic. Well he ended up sitting a lot longer waiting for the tow truck to come get him out!

First capital punishment and now this? If you come out in favor of lightrail I swear I'll start posting as Angrykerm.

Well, I don't know if we can make a general statement like "SUV tend to be overconfident in their vehicles abilities" anymore than we can say that sports car drivers tend to speed more then everyone else, or pickup truck drivers tend to listen to more country music then other drivers, or volkswagon drivers tend to smoke more marijuana then anyone else...etc..

It may be that one person on 169 thought "hey, I have 4 WD, maybe I can make it through this section and beat everone else." But so what? There are cars of all stripes making stupid moves in traffic all day long IE waiting until the last possible second to get over into an exit lane. In fact, I have noticed that people with the souped up Civic's and Nissan's tend to whip in and out of lanes of traffic, using their small size and pickup speed to negotiate through small holes in traffic forcing me to slam on my SUV's Brakes!

I think that the bottom line is that people may tend to notice tailgaiting more on an SUV if they are in a car because it's headlights are up so high, but as a whole, I don't think SUV drivers are any worse than anyone else. In fact, I would wager that SUV drivers are as a whole safer than other types of cars in terms of accidents.

anyone have a study on that?

I don't know that SUV drivers as a whole are *worse* per se, just that the bulk and driving traction prompt the bad drivers among them to do dumber things than drivers of smaller cars, more brazenly.

Mitch:

Friendly correction - the Great Halloween Blizzard was in 1991 - the year the Twins made their second trip to the World Series.

In fact, a friend of mine was running for Maplewood City Council and he put the following on his GOTV postcard. "Wow! What a week! First the Twins are World Champions, then a record snowfall!" He and I have kidded about that line ever since.

Might not be funny to anyone else but we still get a chuckle from hand addressing and hand stamping all 1500 of those during the snowfall. When we started, around 6 p.m., there was just a few flakes on the ground. At 2 a.m., we finally emerged from his basement (another friend joined us) and couldn't believe all the snow.

Ten minutes later, I had to walk my other friend home because it was too far to walk to my place, and his place was only a mile down the road. I think we got home about 3:30 a.m. after trudging one mile in waist-deep snow. It was insane!!

Please remember, 1990 was pretty mild - with the exception of a short blast of cold air. The next year, 1991, had a lot of snow!

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