'agreed', past tense.

You know, reasonable people are allowed to make new decisions based on new information. With a current approval rating in the 30s, Bush has lost 15+ points of that 51%.

For all you know, admittedly unlikely, the person you described could have been a Bush supporter. There are many of those in the country now, who deeply regret their decision from just a short year ago.

Flash

Flash, for starters check your numbers; the same polls that showed Bush in the thirties jumped six or seven points after the Alito nomination.

And Mitch described a guy who I don't think anyone would ever mistake for a Bush supporter.

Also a poll with less than 25% Republican sampling is probably a touch suspect

http://www.pollingreport.com/BushJob.htm

Alito Nomination was Oct 31. The WaPo numbers were collected along with Alito numbers which did show a very favorable opinion of the Alito Selection, but did NOT change Bush's approval numbers. I include the WaPo number Pre nomination for comparison:

AP 10/31 - 11/2/05 37 59
WaPost 10/30 - 11/2/05 39 60
CBS 10/30 - 11/1/05 35 57
Gallup 10/28-30/05 41 56
WaPost 10/28-29/05 39 58

Rasmussen Tracking showed a slight 2 point blip on 10/31, before receding to it's prior levels of 42/43 (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/Bush_Job_Approval.htm)

Here's a great graphic tha shows all polls with trend lines. Very Interesting
http://www.hist.umn.edu/~ruggles/Approval.htm

As for the description, it matches Capt. Fishsticks when you remove the editorializing. And I did admit that it was unlikely.

Flash

Flash, you have convinced me! as one of the sheeple I acknowledge that Bush is a poopiehead and will never vote for him again!

I Agree!!! I will work tirelessly to prevent Bush's reelection.

"As for the description, it matches Capt. Fishsticks when you remove the editorializing. "

Well played. Close. But no cigar.

* Westover's beard has never seen the business end of a trimmer.

* Westover frequently smiles. Mr. Street Corner Evangelist looked like he was undergoing a colonic.

He looked - well, basically interchangeable with a hundred thousand other right-of-center guys in the Metro; fortyish and balding, clean-shaven, porcine, self-satisfied face hiding small, closely set eyes, cheap suit (blue pin-stripe from Sears, rubber-soled dress shoes shined daily). The kind of guy one sees all the time in an insurance brokerage, hand-clipping the prairie grass around the lovingly-maintained "Bush/Cheney '04" sign on his front yard, or driving his SUV to the "gourmet" food store (to which his overweight, bottle-blonde wife of eight years insists he go, even though he'd save a bundle of money at Rainbow).

Mitch, Now THAT was funny.

And folks, I am not a Bush hater. I respect the man. He is a two term president of these United States. I even reminded Mitch when we were sharing beverages in my grage the other day that he still needs to track down an 8x10 os the President for my den, seriously (gentle reminder, again, Mitch) But who are the true Sheeple when the 30 something% left approving of this presidency continue to twist everything back to Bush hatered when they are the ones who may be a tad bit more out of touch then the rest of the electorate.

I want honest debate and dialogue, I want to move this conutry forward, i want what's best form my kids. I don't need hatred to drive me down that road.

Flash

Flash, my man, you must be reading a different thread and commenting on that, much peace and love!

AT LAST!

After years of trying, we've finally pried Angryclown away from the "Ma and Pa Kettle" riff that has become his signature - nay, borderline cliche!

It's a red-letter day here in the red little corner of Blueville!

Clown, no one wears a suit anymore. That is SO 1992. Personally I wear khakis, Land's End moccasins, and flannel shirts. Of course I live in Northfield; I call my outfit 'camoflage.' On the balding issue: guilty as charged. On the self satisfied face: I prefer 'confident visage.' On the age: 38 going on 40, as in "If you're not liberal at 20 you don't have a heart, if you're not conservative at 40..." I'm just a little ahead of schedule.

OK, "so 1992" in Minnesota....that'd be around 1955 my time, I figure.

Is it not Whole Foods the scab new age food chain run by ex-hippies that busted their unions some years ago on Grand?

Ah...60's types soldiarity with labor of the Wellstone-ities...

...for your clothes is a pretty flower (Dead Kennedys..."Holiday In Cambodia")

Hey, 'clown:
Still have all my hair, only wear suits to weddings and funerals, am divorced and don't shop at gourmet food stores. Of course by your lights I'm probably not a true conservative since I'm Hispanic. Anyway, having spent entirely too much of my life in Minneapolis, I can vouch for Mitch's description of white male DFL liberals. You, on the other hand, have no clue what you're talking about.

To paraphrase: Mitch's cartoonish stereotype is accurate; Angry Clown's is way off.

You didn't say anything about "porcine," though, so I'm gonna just go ahead and assume that one's on the mark.

Nice to see that Mitch wouldn't engage in class warfare (Volvo), stereo-type (government worker), or sexist (witch haired, over-controlling wife) commentary based on nothing at all and with no evidence.

Mitch, you've got 2 screws loose.. you might want to go look for them.

PB

And .. Flash,

I'll happily engage in civil discourse.

I don't think it's all about Bush hatred, candidly most on the left think of Bush as an empty suit. We can't hate him, he's too incompetent to hate. Cheney otoh.. :).

Anyway, yes there are certainly many on the left who equate ANYTHING Bush does with evil, which is unfair, he occassionally slips his chains and says something decent, like the time he admitted that we might not win in Iraq (just kidding).

I don't hate Bush, I don't really hate very many people, I wish that were true of the opposite side of the fence. I don't think the majority of the left is so simple as to equate everything proposed by the right as utterly wrong.

Bush was lawfully elected, regardless of what some folks say. I don't like the double standard the SCOTUS setup, but in the end, they get the say, and that's that. He won in 2004, and sure he hyped up terrorism, which he's done nearly nothing to improve outside Afghanistan, but he won legitimately. Even if Ohio had some irregularities, they didn't have so many that Bush would have lost the state.

The point is... extremist claptrap like Mitch's original post is useless polarizing hate-speech of the lowest order. He might as well advocate killing black children or gassing jews he's so stridently pushing stereotypes. It's cheap, tawdry and disgusting. I laugh at Clown's response because it is good satire, and while many of the conservatives I know are balding and overweight, many aren't as well. To judge and label that way is the epitome of bigotry. I would think the Republicans would be well served to distance themselves from the bigotry of the past, but apparently not, not atleast if you are a small-time mouthpiece for the fascist (corporate state) sychophantic kool-aid crowd.

And Mitch, if that offended you, my reaction given your incessant penchant for disregarding real discussion, ignoring facts you don't like, and especially for using such blatant bigotted commentary.. well my reaction is, welcome to the club.

PB

Hey, the mayor's race got us a brief mention on Nightline. Doesn't that count as redemption?

Clown:

"To paraphrase: Mitch's cartoonish stereotype is accurate; Angry Clown's is way off."

As a description of a particular person? Yes on both counts. And remember - things become stereotypes because they happen to occur in nature often enough that people notice 'em.

"Nice to see that Mitch wouldn't engage in class warfare (Volvo), stereo-type (government worker), or sexist (witch haired, over-controlling wife) commentary"

Er, no, PB, I DID engage in all three. With glee aforethought.

" based on nothing at all and with no evidence."'

One needs no "evidence" for satire. And the satire is perfectly valid, because the stereotype is true a huge percentage of the time. I see these people around the neighborhood, at my kids' schools, at community events, at the store.

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