If there are approximately 1.2 billion Muslims in the world, what percentage of them are the head-sawing type? Just wondered if anyone has those figures. I have Muslim friends and I was wondering if I have to start watching what size knives they keep in their kitchens. Oh, and I heard they also know how to use the "Internets," so they may be reading this blog, too.

Er, Teena? The whole post refers to "terrorists" who are moslem, not "Moslems".

By the way, Teena - you had some homework to do. Remember? You were supposed to show us an example of a genocidal dictator that had been deposed by peaceful means (or, better yet, by "Peacemaking" techniques like you were talking about).

Any luck yet?

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=3712
Ah, what a tangled web they weave.
When I make a statement or give an opinion, and then you give me an "assignment" based on that opinion, what are you trying to prove? That you know something I don't? Great! Let's treat it as a lesson and a conversation.
However, if I did not state that a genocidal dictator had been deposed by peaceful means, why should I accept your "assignment" (as if you are superior to me somehow) to prove that it has been done? What's in it for me? What lessons should I take from your show of arrogance?
It seems to me that all you are doing is working awfully hard to be the next Rush Limbaugh, not a patriotic American working toward peace. This country doesn't need anymore hate-mongers, thank
you. The Bush administration has empowered so many of them to speak out, the very air we breathe is polluted by them. I suggest that we clear the air and start working in the same direction.
I assume these are the areas in which we all agree: We want the troops home. We know troop strength (numbers) is down, so we know that stretching them thinner would be a bad idea. We love our children so we don't want the draft to be reinstated. Yes, we think that a free Iraq is better than one run by a dictator. (I hope)we all don't think that invading and occupying another Middle Eastern county will make things better right now.
We all know that the Bush administration is in deep trouble. This situation is their own fault. Let's hope they don't use this time as an opportunity to drum up "patriotism" by looking the other way if a new terror attack is imminent. If they do, we all suffer - again.

The preceeding comment was Teena's way of entirely dodging a question, while throwing out baseless claims (The draft is coming, the draft is coming!), and linking to yet another hopelessly biased source, in the U.K. no less.

Teena, if you become any more predictable, I might start using you as a clock.

Teena,

You're the one that said war never solves anything, that we should try what the local loony lefties call "peacemaking". I asked for any empirical evidence that this idea could actually liberate the oppressed, anywhere, anytime, anyhow.

Of course, I know that there's no answer to that; that genocidal dictators have no compunctions about feeding would-be Gandhis or Mother Theresas or Daniel Berrigans into woodchippers if it serves their purposes.

"When I make a statement or give an opinion, and then you give me an "assignment" based on that opinion, what are you trying to prove?"

That your position is badly thought-out, and that you're reciting rote platitudes issued from the fantasy-based community.

" That you know something I don't? Great! Let's treat it as a lesson and a conversation."

I am. You're getting defensive. You don't need to! I'm trying to elicit some understanding here; *pacifism kills*. Pacifism enabled Hitler to rise to power and, initially, to conquer the whole European continent; it allowed Pol Pot to slaughter 1/4 of his nation.

"However, if I did not state that a genocidal dictator had been deposed by peaceful means, why should I accept your "assignment" (as if you are superior to me somehow) to prove that it has been done? What's in it for me? What lessons should I take from your show of arrogance?"

Several lessons:
1) That you needn't be quite so defensive; my question is neither arrogant nor a sign of superiority.
2) That the platitudes you're writing have gaping holes in them. I'm showing them to you.

"It seems to me that all you are doing is working awfully hard to be the next Rush Limbaugh, not a patriotic American working toward peace. This country doesn't need anymore hate-mongers, thank
you."

Teena, I mean this with all due respect; you are writing what practically every patchouli-drenched, volvo-driving, free-range-alpaca-wearing, Wellstone-sign-displaying, Code-Pink-joining, fashionably-frumpy sixties refugee at every demonstration in the Twin Cities says when someone like me guts their argument before their eyes; resorting to ad-homina (for to a liberal, indeed, what worse insult is there than to call someone "The Next Rush"?). Leave aside whether Limbaugh is usually right (he is), and concentrate on the facts; all the joining hands and all the singing "We Shall Overcome" and all the lace-panty UN missions in the world *will not save one life* today in Iran, in Syria, in Red China, in the Congo or Rhodesia, in Darfur. Not one. Not one slave will be freed by some earnest matron in Highland park bleating "no blood for oil". Never.

If your best response to that *simple fact* is an ad-hominem insult (which isn't!), that's all I need to know.

" The Bush administration has empowered so many of them to speak out, the very air we breathe is polluted by them."

Free speech threatens you that badly, huh?

" I suggest that we clear the air and start working in the same direction. "

Well, Teena, that'd be fine. Start by giving a direction that isn't, I'll be charitable, *blatantly false*.

"I assume these are the areas in which we all agree:"

Of course there are. It's those pesky details...

"(I hope)we all don't think that invading and occupying another Middle Eastern county will make things better right now."

Nice thing is, we don't have to. The liberation of Iraq has put pressure on the Saudis, Egyptians and Libyans to clean up their acts (it's a slow process; whatdya want, an invasion?). The Iranians and Syrians are showing signs of the strain as well. The point is, if Iraq succeeds, the result will be the same as when West Germany and Austria and Italy and France succeeded; their communist neighbors eventually threw off their governments and chose freedom (or more freedom than they had).

Just as the people, even the Sunni, in Iraq did last Saturday (cue endless stream of nitpicks about the Iraqi election that do nothing to attack the central point).

"We all know that the Bush administration is in deep trouble."

Riiiiiiiiiiiight. "We" all *know* it.

" This situation is their own fault. Let's hope they don't use this time as an opportunity to drum up "patriotism" by looking the other way if a new terror attack is imminent. If they do, we all suffer - again. "

Have you been on Democratic Underground lately?

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