Republicans win by having more class...do you regularly and deliberately delude yourself into thinking that Republicans, as a whole, have any more class or intelligence than Democrats (or any other group for that matter)?

Especially when you take into account your own admited behavior on the corner. As well, calling the opposition "morons" etc. really shows a lot of class and intelligence; it definitely shows how your opinions are both rational, unbiased, and broadly informed.

"Dear sirs, my opponents are just stupid doo-doo heads...and that's why you should believe ME!" Right. You're teaching your son to insult the opposition as a both means to win and a base for his argument, not using critical thinking and logic to derive the truth of a situation.

"Rev" Raving Dumpstermoron" said:

"You're teaching your son to insult the opposition as a both means to win and a base for his argument, not using critical thinking and logic to derive the truth of a situation."

Actually, Mitch is wisely illustrating to his son that there are some people who are so lost in the fog of their own moronic, self-serving, irrational past that they are past consideration for anything resembling an "arguement" (as in discussion).

There's nothing wrong with calling a spade a spade, and if anyone has earned the right to unlaterally shut down a proferred lecture from one of those drooling fools, it's Mitch.

He's often been prone to giving them way too much respect in the past IMO.

Personally, after having have torn, spit upon and thrown down that moonbat's trash, I'd have made him pick it up and deposit it in the nearest garbage can...where it belongs.

I understand where the Reverend is coming from swiftee. If I had been in Mitch's shoes, I would have probably first responded with a polite "no thank you" when the gentleman approached with said "literature". However what the good Reverend does not understand (and I do due to personal experience) this type of protester will not gracefully accept a polite "no thank you" in response to their pro-offered literature. They will instead insist of forcing their point of view on you until they elicit the same type of response as they got out of Mitch. That way, they can continue to justify their mistaken view of the average, everyday, hard working Republican.

"Republicans win by having more class...do you regularly and deliberately delude yourself into thinking that Republicans, as a whole, have any more class or intelligence than Democrats (or any other group for that matter)?"

You missed my point completely.

"Especially when you take into account your own admited behavior on the corner."

It's called "keen sense of irony". Some of us have it.

" As well, calling the opposition "morons" etc. really shows a lot of class and intelligence; it definitely shows how your opinions are both rational, unbiased, and broadly informed."

I never claimed to be unbiased. I am eminently rational, and my opinions are more broadly-formed than any other I know, but I'm most definitely biased.

""Dear sirs, my opponents are just stupid doo-doo heads...and that's why you should believe ME!" Right. You're teaching your son to insult the opposition as a both means to win and a base for his argument, not using critical thinking and logic to derive the truth of a situation."

Go over to Wikipedia. Look up "hyperbole" and "exaggeration for comedic effect".

My son is better at critical argument than most of his teachers.

RFsuh came up with a new phrase I liked "Anti-American War" Protestors. It says a couple things, that they aren't anti-war. They are simply on the other side.

We're Republicans. We win by having more class than these morons".

Yeah that whole Swift Boat attack against Kerry was real classy. And going back a few years, there was the classy "Gore is a pathological liar" bit.

And all of you guys that flip me off on the street because of my MoveOn.org bumper sticker... Classy. oh, and for the guys that keyed my wifes car... that was especially classy.

On top of that, we have high level administration officials being charged and investigated for corruption... Classy...

Rove outing a CIA agent? Uber classy.

Hey Mitch, it wasn't class that got your guy elected. It was cash and sleezy politics.

In case you hadn't heard, there was a pro-war rally on Sunday in Washington. It was attended by a whopping 400 people or about 1/2 of the number attending the dinky little St. Paul anti-war rally the day before.

There were 400+ people protesting the war in Akron, Ohio! Pro-war activists: 0
Personally, I support the troops, not the war. There is a difference. The Iraq war was based on wishes and dreams of a disgruntled, fussy fratboy and war-without-end ambitions of imperialists. The troops are their innocent victims.

"Yeah that whole Swift Boat attack against Kerry was real classy. And going back a few years, there was the classy "

NOT endorsed by Republicans nor put forth by Republicans. You're entitled to your own opinion but NOT your own facts.

"It was cash and sleezy politics."

Sounds like a description of George Soros and his Bush=Hitler diatribe.

"In case you hadn't heard, there was a pro-war rally on Sunday in Washington. It was attended by a whopping 400 people or about 1/2 of the number attending the dinky little St. Paul anti-war rally the day before."

Ah, in case YOU haven't heard, Bush won the 2004 Presidential election with 51% of the popular vote and 286 electoral votes. However, majorities don't seem to matter much to you Libs unless they're in your favor.

"Personally, I support the troops, not the war. There is a difference. The Iraq war was based on wishes and dreams of a disgruntled, fussy fratboy and war-without-end ambitions of imperialists. The troops are their innocent victims."

Hey, Michael Moore. What's the significance of the user name "Teena"?

"Yeah that whole Swift Boat attack against Kerry was real classy."

Guys whose combat experience was trashed and demeaned by Kerry seeking to point out the lies that Kerry told? How better to do that than the way they did? None of their major allegations were disproven and nearly all of Kerry's were. I suppose they could have been more "classy" and let Kerry slime them, but I doubt their sense of honor would have emerged intact. How many of the guys were Republicans, how many Democrats, and how many just anti-Kerry?

"On top of that, we have high level administration officials being charged and investigated for corruption... Classy..."

Certainly it wasn't that way in Democratic administrations! I can never imagine the head of a Democratic administration commiting perjury, nor fundraising using government equipment, nor many of his subordinates indicted (not just investigated), nor were an amazing number of opposition organizations subjected to IRS investigations. No, the Democrats are much more classy than that!

Like it or not, politics tends to attract some hardball tactics and sleezy operators, but on balance the Dems have behaved more poorly than the Republicans. I'd never use either party as a model for my kids, though!

"Personally, I support the troops, not the war."

You know, I really hate that phrase as it's a blatant lie: every person I've ever heard use that phrase has been for minimizing the size and equipment level of the military making attacks *more* likely to occur and deaths more likely. If you want your movement to convince me that you mean what you say, find some way to support the troops with your movement: aggressively back support for the best training and equipment, support expanded combat training for the Reserves, demand higher pay for enlisted men with families (their current pay is shameful), etc. Until I see your movement pushing for things that really matter I'll be annoyed at your pathetic attempt to claim to support our troops.

Brad said,

Ah, in case YOU haven't heard, Bush won the 2004 Presidential election with 51% of the popular vote and 286 electoral votes.

but Brad, this is 2005. Remember that Clinton won the 1996 election but was impeached in the House two years later.

nerdbert said,

"Certainly it wasn't that way in Democratic administrations!"

So it's the old "Democrats did it too" to justify Republicans illegal and corrupt actions...

Nice.

Read this link:
http://www.vivelecanada.ca/article.php/20050916054129788

"but Brad, this is 2005. Remember that Clinton won the 1996 election but was impeached in the House two years later."

Because he broke the law.

"Republicans illegal and corrupt actions... "

That were endorsed by the vast majority of Congress, and are currently supported by every single member of NATO.

Courtesy of MaxSpeak -
a sign held by a protestor at the D.C. rally read
"Ex-Republican; ask me why."

I wish I could have been there to ask him or her that question.

Teena,

You think I haven't heard it all before? [*]

The GOP is *clogged* with people who pine for the Arne Carlson/Gerald Ford years. The party's a big tent - there's room for 'em, to a point.

My job on this blog is not to roll out the welcome wagon for RINOs. It's to spit the truth. Which I do.

[*] Which goes, incidentally, for nearly everything you post, Teena. Most of the factoids we see from you, with all due respect, were debunked years ago.

Don't let that stop you, of course! You're certainly welcome to continue!

The anti-war left wants an immediate withdrawal from Iraq because they think it will be as "successful" as it was in Viet Nam.

Conservatives and the majority of rational Americans oppose an immediate withdrawal because they know it will be as disastrous as it was in Viet Nam.

Clinton was almost impeached -
“Because he broke the law” said Mitch.

I’m glad you said that, Mitch, because I think breaking the law, which Bush has done numerous times, certainly is a good reason to impeach him too.

"but I'm most definitely biased."

"My job on this blog is not to roll out the welcome wagon for RINOs. It's to spit the truth. Which I do."

So the truth is biased or do you "spit" a biased version of the truth?

The truth confirms my biases.

Adjust your worldview accordingly.

Mitch-

I have to say that your behavior was at the protest was quite inappropriate. You should have brought your hob-nailed boots down on that hippy and crushed the dissent right out of him. And you call yourself a Republican? For shame.

Debunk away. Can you point me to the retractions from the United Nations, the SEC, Congress, the Senate Judiciary Committee, Patrick Fitzgerald and others in relation to the crimes that members of the Bush administration has been accused of? Anyone?

"So it's the old "Democrats did it too" to justify Republicans illegal and corrupt actions..."

No, it's to point out that you, Doug, are a flaming idiot if you expect me to take seriously charges of moral terpitude from Lefties. The Republicans aren't perfect, as I noted, but the Democrats are far worse so hearing them prat about the hyped up things that haven't materialized yet bores me.

No, and nor can I show you evidence that he didn't step off of a flying saucer, rape a girl scout or run a major drug cartel.

The burden of proof is on you. Not me.

nerdbert said,

"it's to point out that you, Doug, are a flaming idiot if you expect me to take seriously charges of moral terpitude from Lefties."

Resorting to name calling?

I don't expect you to take anything I say seriously. I expect you to continue to excuse, justify and rationalize the actions of Republican leaders because to do otherwise might, God forbid, mean that you might have to display an ounce of integrity and humility.

"The Republicans aren't perfect, as I noted, but the Democrats are far worse"

That's a matter of personal opinion and while you're certainly entitled to it, I think you're being far to generous to Republican leaders.

Take Tom Delay for example... I could point out all of the sleazy unethical things he's done and the response from your side would be either something about a Democrat who is worse or you guys would say, he's never been charged/incidited/broken the law etc. etc. etc.

Even though you know he's a piece of garbage, you rally behind him. For you guys, loyalty is more valuable than integrity.

Demonstrating Ignorance:

A group of demonstrators (“morons”) on Snelling and Summit were holding signs reading, “End U.S. Aid to Israel” etc. I walked up to them pretending as if I were totally uninformed. I asked them to explain to me their signs and the history behind them. She told me that the Israeli’s stole the Palestinians land in the last couple of years. After listening to the rest of her lecture, I asked her, “So according to you the Israeli’s kicked out the Palestinians and even killed them…Isn’t that the same thing that the Nazi did to the Jews in Europe during Holocaust?” She replied by saying, “…the Holocaust is a myth.” She went on to admit that the Holocaust happened, but was “overrated.” At that point, I left in disgust. Calling these people morons is and understatement.

"I expect you to continue to excuse, justify and rationalize the actions of Republican leaders because to do otherwise might, God forbid, mean that you might have to display an ounce of integrity and humility."

Nope, if the preponderance of guilt is there, I will be amoung those calling for their heads. Unfortunately for you and your ilk the best that has been thrown out there so far are hints of possible appearance of impropriety, unlike the documented malfeasance of the previous administration. I'm not a rabid Republican, but I'm adamant about denouncing the attacks based on slander and inuendo that constitue the bulk of the Left's "debate." It wasn't pretty when conservatives were spreading inuendo about Vince Foster, and it isn't pretty when you're doing the same here. The fact that so many of your arguments aren't based on anything other than namecalling, wild exageration, and rumor is despicable.

"That's a matter of personal opinion and while you're certainly entitled to it, I think you're being far to generous to Republican leaders."

Let's see, how about the *documented* antics of the democratic leaders? Schumer? You like what he and his staffers did (a felony and they admitted it)? Bill Clinton? You support admitted perjury by an officer of the court? Kerry and his lies about the actions of himself and the military in 'nam? You support illegal interception of phone calls and their publication for political gain? Shall we go on?

"Take Tom Delay for example... I could point out all of the sleazy unethical things he's done and the response from your side would be either something about a Democrat who is worse or you guys would say, he's never been charged/incidited/broken the law etc. etc. etc."

While he might have skirted the boundary of good taste (and even that is debatable as even the Ethics Committee admitted when they said "review of the materials presented in the complaint on this matter reveals a significant gap between the violations alleged against Representative DeLay, on the one hand, and the information offered in
support of those allegations, on the other."), he hasn't been proven to be a criminal, while so many of the actions of the Democratic leaders recently have been proven and/or admitted to be criminal, not just unethical. Clinton, Schumer's aides, vote buyers in St. Louis, all have either admitted to criminal actions or been convicted. Either the Republicans are hiding their criminal actions better or the bulk of the known, admitted criminal behavior recently has been committed by Democratic operatives or leaders.

"Even though you know he's a piece of garbage, you rally behind him."

No, we know he's being attacked by folks who spew forth attacks with little or no evidence or justification (i.e., garbage such as that spewed at Roberts with quotes taken out of context and jokes not understood) and who have done so repeatedly. As such, we give him the benefit of the doubt until there is a *reasonable* suspecion of truely unethical or criminal behavior. After all, the man is being held to a higher level of responsibility by his colleagues than the Democrats demand of their leaders -- just compare what will trigger DeLay's removal from his office with what would trigger the removal of a Democratic Speaker.

Teena...

My first post here but I couldn't let your attempt to revise history go unchallenged:

"Clinton was almost impeached - "

The fact is, my dear, he was indeed impeached.

"No, we know he's being attacked by folks who spew forth attacks with little or no evidence or justification"

Hey nerdbert, there was enough evidence for a grand jury indictment.

Doug,

Yep. "You can indict a ham sandwich." That indictment was pretty lame by any standard since it didn't allege he actually did anything (the wording was that he and others may have conspired), nor did it offer any hint of proof of conspiracy, nor any hint at any overt act in furtherance of said conspiracy. With TX law requiring knowing intent to commit a crime for a conviction on conspiracy the prosecutor will have a high burden of proof required.

For something offered up on the last day of a grand jury in a very liberal district by an openly partisan prosector it was pretty pathetic. It will be *very* interesting to see how this plays out.

I'll still give the guy the benefit of the doubt given what he's playing against. But if he did violate the law, he'll get what he deserves (given Austin he may be convicted even if he didn't do it, too). If he didn't, well, it's too bad he can't sue the prosecutor's office.

But you will note that Delay did the right thing and stepped aside, unlike the more lax rules the Democrats have for their leadership.

..."Rev" Raving Dumpstermoron?

Sheeeee...well, I rest my case. Thanks for the help, "swiftee": a conversative who knows nothing about me decides an appropriate response is an uncivil and discourteous attack utilizing childish name calling and disparagment of my vocationary status.

Though I see from his blog that rancorous hate-filled bile is the flavor of the day...so I'll try not to take it too personally, I know the mentally ill can't really help themselves. (Oh, look, I can take derogatory, immature pot shots, too! Whee! That must somehow help make my viewpoint more correct!)

Anyways, I'm done making my point. So let's return to adult conversation and some measure of rationality: you do realize your behavior doesn't exactly reinforce that "Republicans have more class" idea Mitch was advancing earlier?

As to the point, Mitch, I don't think I missed it at all, and I do understand the complete irony of the event, and I can't say I'm perfect either.

My reason in pointing out the disparity in your statement and behavior was, after browsing through your archives, it seems clear to me (at least) that you are somewhat blind to your own bias in this respect.

In fact, another recent post of yours, the "conservatives aren't more hate-filled than liberals -- it's the opposite" is more of the same divisive "we're better, smarter, and more right than you are" ill-fated rhetoric.

This sort of idea is non-conducive to establishing both a personally clear vision and towards community discussion of issues, because it creates "sides" or "teams", and human psychology being what it is, the "team" is given more weight (sometimes vastly more weight), is treated more charitably in reason and judgement, and etc.

Bipartisanship is only useful in seperating people, and I personally believe it to be one of the most destructive elements of our current culture and goverment, since it gives the easy out: "Oh he's an X, so of COURSE he's wrong/an idiot/a lying SOB", rather than building a stable foundation for discussion.

Hey Mitch,

Thanks for going out to counter the Anti-American War Protest on Saturday. Anyone who says these people are out there exercising their right to freely assemble is right, but we reserve the right to question their patriotism, when they align themselves and are led by Socialists and Communists who want to see an end to American Democracy. All you people who came out to protest the war and Bush are truely the Useful Idiots that Trotsky speaks of. Hope you have fun being led by groups that would rather see your way of life taken away by force and have you thrown in "re-education" camps for apposing their world view. Don't believe me, check out my blog, it's got some pretty shocking pictures.