Well, Mitch, what do you expect in the way of argument by people who blame George Bush for causing Hurricane Katrina?

Here's an "argument" I've heard of late: Bush didn't sign Kyoto, which caused global warming to "skyrocket," thus leading directly to Hurricane Katrina--and no doubt, Rita too. And this may have been a conspiracy against black people to boot.

Sheesh. Guess I'm in denial.

I gotta go with the "instant rhyming simile" for my newest pet peeve. That's the "I'm (doing an activity) like a (something that rhymes with it)". For instance, "I'm sellin' like a felon".

Don't go there!

Here's a challenge Pete...

You said,

"what do you expect in the way of argument by people who blame George Bush for causing Hurricane Katrina?"

Show us an example of someone, anyone blaming Bush for causing Katrina...

And before you go off on your search, remember that blaming Bush for the slow Federal response is NOT the same as blaming Bush for causing Katrina.

In other words, you aren't allowed to reframe your comments if you can't find something to support your statement... In other words, no weaseling out and no spinning allowed.

Please document your findings with links ok?

Also, your documentation should be to the source of said accusations that Bush was to blame for causing Katrina - not second or third party interpretations of what someone said.

I look forward to seeing what you come up with.

Thanks.

Doug--

I can see that you're most likely a longtime card-carrying member of the "Reality-Based Community," 'cause you wasted no time in telling me what I'm not allowed to do. Believe me, living here in Madison, WI, I get plenty of that from your brothers and sisters.

But be that as it may: I'm supplying a couple of links that should satisfy your demand that I basically put up or shut up (which is okay with me)... and I didn't even have to rip down any of the local posters that say BUSH CAUSED KATRINA! WAR ON MINORITIES and mail 'em to you.

Deep down in your dark heart, Doug, the reason you're upset by this is that YOU KNOW people who believe (or pretend to believe) that the President was responsible for this disaster. And you're starting to think that the left may be getting truly lunatic, not just eccentric.

It's okay to admit it, dude.

http://medienkritik.typepad.com/blog/2005/08/german_minister.html

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/marktapscott/mt20050903.shtml

You're welcome.

oh Pete...

Sorry to burst you bubble but in your first link, http://medienkritik.typepad.com/blog/2005/08/german_minister.html

the German minister doesn't say that Bush caused Katrina. he says,

"By neglecting environmental protection, America’s president shuts his eyes to the economic and human damage that natural catastrophes like Katrina inflict on his country and the world’s economy."

In fact, the gentleman even states that Katrina was a natural catastrophy but here you are claiming that he is blaming Bush for Katrina...

Recall, I said in my challenge, your documentation should be to the source of said accusations that Bush was to blame for causing Katrina - not second or third party interpretations of what someone said.

Your link is the moronic interpretation of what was said.

Sorry Charlie.

As for your second link, it's an opinion piece that suggests that the left is using Katrina to exploit issues of race, global warming and Iraq.

Nowhere in the opinion piece does anyone say Bush is responsible for Katrina.

By the way Pete, I wasnt telling you what you're not allowed to do... I challenged you to support your statement with demonstrable facts and you failed. You're welcome to do whatever you want.

Doug--

Have you ever considered a career as a spin doctor?

"Have you ever considered a career as a spin doctor?"

Pete, What I'm doing is called unspinning.

You cited examples of people being critical of Bush for a variety of reasons and spun it to conclude that they said Bush caused Katrina. That's not what they said and I simply illustrated the fact that you either can't read or choose to not comprehend what's written.

Sorry but you didn't prove your point with facts.

Doug, are you daft?

“The hurricane that struck Louisiana and Mississippi on Monday was nicknamed Katrina by the National Weather Service. Its real name is global warming,” said The Boston Globe’s Ross Gelspan in a column appearing in The International Herald Tribune, owned by The New York Times.

We have global warming because “in 2000, big oil and big coal scored their biggest electoral victory yet when George W. Bush was elected president - and subsequently took suggestions from the industry for his climate and energy policies,” said Gelspan.

...or just incapable of following logic?

I'm the spin doctor?

You took a paragraph from the Globe article and added "We have global warming because..."

If you had actually read the article rather than selectively cutting and pasting then inserting your own context, you would have noticed this...

"In 1995, public utility hearings in Minnesota found that the coal industry had paid more than $1 million to four scientists who were public dissenters on global warming. And ExxonMobil has spent more than $13 million since 1998 on an anti-global warming public relations and lobbying campaign."

You see Pete..? People talking about global warming way back in 1995... Who was President in 1995 Pete? Was it George Bush?

Adding crap like you did is beyond spin, it's dishonest, manipulative and cheep.

If you want to have a discussion, fine but don't pull crap like this to try to win your argument.

Doug--

I did no "cutting and pasting." The passage is produced verbatim.

You're an idiot. I'm done arguing. End of story.

Pete,

The Globe version...

...And ExxonMobil has spent more than $13 million since 1998 on an anti-global warming public relations and lobbying campaign.

In 2000, big oil and big coal scored their biggest electoral victory yet when President George W. Bush was elected president -- and subsequently...

Your Version...

We have global warming because "in 2000, big oil and big coal scored their biggest electoral victory yet when George W. Bush was elected president - and subsequently...

You see the added line, - We have global warming because -

So we have a piece of trash, Townhall.com putting words in the mouth of the Globes Ross Gelspan, and then they turn around and rip on Gelspan for saying something that they constructed. What's worse, you're too stupid to know when you've been duped even when I illustrate it for you in detail.

You're not very bright are you Pete?