DU locals are ranting over today's Star/Sickle article:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=160x13608

"Limbaugh, Hannity moving to FM band; smooth jazz fades out on 100.3"

Deborah Caulfield Rybak, Star Tribune
August 30, 2005

Smooth jazz station KJZI, 100.3 FM, will disappear from Twin Cities FM airwaves next year when owner Clear Channel Communications replaces it with a new talk station featuring the political riffs of Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity, currently heard on KSTP, 1500 AM.

How embarrassing for you and your friends that they thought they'd find their kind of audience on Minnesota radio. If Air America is far left, what do you call Hannity and Limbaugh? They are just as far the other direction - and extremely rude to guests, as well. You know, the type of behavior we wouldn't ever let our children get away with, but perfectly fine for supposedly grown men? They get paid to do that? This isn't serious broadcast journalism in either case, but at least some people on Air America acknowledge they are trying to be funny. Hannity and Limbaugh try to pass themselves off as believers in their own message which only turns people off. I hope that most Americans want to believe they are better people than the imbecilic rednecks Hannity and Limbaugh portray us to be to an increasingly more educated and politically savvy world. I've been reading as much as I can about how the rest of the developed world sees us since Bush took office and, believe me, they are laughing at us, not with us. We don't need people like Hannity and Limbaugh to make matters worse.

A thousand posts and they can't even spend two minutes to google for the airamericaplace.com commercial-free audio archives?

Gah.

You know, there's a reason I stay away from the Kook^Hlaid drinking blogs, even if I am a lefty Wellstone voting Scandinavian socialist. The German part of me is scared sh**less of group-think.

Gee Teena, I didn't realize you listened to Rush! You realize of course he doesn't have guests. So I would be interested in examples of him being rude to guests. As far as Hannity, I don't listen to him, I find Hugh Hewitt much more interesting. It's just the nature of media both TV and Radio that there is confrontation, and people - being people - can fail to be polite on occasion. I think your sensibilites here might be a bit too sensitive for diverse society where not everyone shares your opinions.

Oh, I also find your judgement of the audience as imbecilic Rednecks are insensitive the both the mentally challenged and to people of color.
Don't try to equivocate by saying that that is what Rush and Sean are trying to portray their audience as. They have the largest most enthusiastic audiences of any talk shows so they must be serving up what their audience wants, and connecting with them. So your judgement of the audience stands, as tactless as it is.

Teena....take everything you said and swap out Rush and Hannity for Frankin and Fubar Eddie. Then you have it correct.

Yep, I'd be willing to bet a bundle Teena has never listened to Rush. And funny how he speaks to millions of people who listen and learn and agree...most of which are very educated and politically savvy....that's the important part. The people that the left appeal to are far from politically savvy...all they know is they "want their's" and there's always some intolerant crook out there promising to wrest it from the greedy, rich Republicans/Christians if they'll just vote Dem.

Think, Teena, think. Just give it a try.

Colleen, you're funny....

Educated... Political savvy Limbaugh listeners...

Barfing out talking points doesn't qualify as educated OR politically savvy silly girl...

I thought moonbats had attennas that allowed them to pickup signals afar? I could be wrong, but that's what I heard.

The criticism of Rush listeners as uneducated fools is so old and so silly. If you were to honestly look at the demographics of his audience, you'd be surprised.

And speaking of the Democrat Underground, I followed a link on Michelle Malkin's site concerning what the lovely "folks" at DU had to say about the looting in New Orleans. My first time there and my last. Those are scary sick people. Those poor looters deserve everything they can steal from "the rich" according to the Marxists there...how do people get so warped?

And, yeah, Jamesph, those that paint Rush listeners as dumb hicks have nothing else they can say...and don't want to hear anything about the demographics, etc. It's just easier to assume whatever makes them feel better about themselves and their failed radio "venture".

Funny... I never said Rush listeners were dumb hicks. I said they puke out talking points which is not the same as being educated or savvy... Methinks the lady doth protest too much...

As for Rush's democraphics, they are the same as talk radio in general... 25 - 54 year old, mostly educated with incomes of $50,000+ per year. The same as the listeners of more liberal / progressive radio. Outside of the 25 - 54 year old demographic, Rush picks up an older audience - others like Franken pick up a younger audience.

As for your DU comment Colleen, if you go to DU you'll also see multiple threads with links to relief organizations and suggestions of ways to contribute to the relief efforts. In fact, here's one now.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4508159

How about you click on over there and put your money where your mouth is Colleen rather than barking about one or two people that posted stupid comments.

Maybe you failed to include this side of the DU audience because It's was just easier to assume whatever makes you feel better about yourself.

By the way Colleen, In case you weren't aware, it's common for Freepers and other whackjobs to post outrageous, inflamatory garbarge at DU under the pretense of being genuine DU members.

As for "ranting" Nancy, do you honestly believe the paltry few comments in the link you posted qualifies as "ranting"?

Just curious...

"Where, presumably, "everything Rush (or any conservative) says" = "talking points"."

The same is said about listeners of AAR shows or any other liberal radio program as well as well. The difference being - Rush advertises his own newsletter as being a tool to use against the dredded liberals. The copy I believe says something to the effect, "use it when talking to..." It's talking points and he acknoweledges it. He also, by the way tells his listeners on a regular basis that he is Americas truth detector and the only place they need to go for the truth... Franken and others I listen to take the opposite approach... They have multiple guests and encourage listeners to go outside to get more information.

More information in my book equals better education and more political savvy.

You'd think that the tin foil hats that Air America listeners wear to block out the government's mind control rays would really improve their radio reception.

Concerning Doug's assertion that it's only a couple of bad apples that post over at DU...I don't believe it for a minute.

Does DU have a link to the Salvation Army, Doug? Cuz that's the only place any money from our family will go to help anyone anytime. I guess I won't be finding out because I won't go there ever again...nastiness in distilled form.

Doug,

I would expect someone as intelligent as you to realize that "He also, by the way tells his listeners on a regular basis that he is Americas truth detector and the only place they need to go for the truth..." is SCHTICK!

Talking points being puked out huh? Something like "Bush Lied, People Died" or something really witty like "Wing Nuts"? Throw in a little Bush Hitler yada yada Stole 2000 yada yada no wmd yada yada and you got 5 years of taling points.

Rush Limbaugh = 22 million listeners, not bad for an old windbag, eh? And he's been on the air for 18 years. Pretty good show, I'd say, by any standard. Love it or leave it.
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"I hope that most Americans want to believe they are better people than the imbecilic rednecks Hannity and Limbaugh portray us to be to an increasingly more educated and politically savvy world." ---Teena
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What an odd characterization. The reason Limbaugh is successful is because he demands and expects excellance of himself and his audience. He's positive, confident, and diligent in his craft, such as it is. He has done more for Americans in general than Tony Robbins or Norman Vincent Peale ever dreamed. All the editorializing and political gamesmanship is just the vehicle.

His message is essentially, "Look, if I can do it, ANYBODY can do it. Chase your dream." His was "The Rush Limbaugh Show." What's yours?

Of course, it's a whole lot easier to be a victim of the vast right-wing conspiracy, cry in your beer, and fight the last battle, but it won't get you anywhere.....

Geeee... I guess I struck a nerve...

Working back to front...

Dave. Yes, Something exactly like "Bush Lied, People Died" or something really witty like "Wing Nuts" except in Rush's case it's "Clintons Fault", "Feminazi's", "Shrillary Clinton", "Osama Obama "and yesterday's turd - taking the opportunity to bash a progressive at every opportunity, "hurricane Katrina vanden Heuvel".

And for the record Dave, we've had about 20 years of his crap. If you can't handle a few years of "Bush Lied", you need to grow a little thicker skin.

Loren. Yes, I understand it's Schtick. I also understand that he is an entertainer, not a journalist. Too bad so many of Rush's listeners fail to understand that about Rush. Right Colleen?

Oh and Colleen... Can you catch the irony in your words...?

First you say...

"It's just easier to assume whatever makes them feel better about themselves..."

Then you say...

"I guess I won't be finding out because I won't go there ever again..."

Feeling better about yourself there Colleen?

Next Colleen. There's this gem...

"Does DU have a link to the Salvation Army, Doug? Cuz that's the only place any money from our family will go to help anyone anytime..."

Ummm... Jesus called. He asked me to tell you not to bother with the self-serving prayers. I guess you're not on the list anyway so don't bother. Also, he said you should spend some time in the Iraqi desert. It will get you used to the hot conditions for when you kick the bucket.

I'm sorry the six links for disaster relief that ARE on DU's site aren't good enough but I have a newsflash for you. DU isn't posting links for you and your stingy little family's benefit. They're for the people suffering from the disaster.

Nastiness in distilled form indeed...

Doug wrote:

Oh and Colleen... Can you catch the irony in your words...?

First you say...

"It's just easier to assume whatever makes them feel better about themselves..."

Then you say...

"I guess I won't be finding out because I won't go there ever again..."

You smarmy idiot, Doug. The first part was talking about the Rush-bashers...I figure you're bashing Bush to feel better about the crappy station Air America has turned out to be. It had nothing to do with my visit to the DU (after which I had written that second part you picked out).

You're little "umm...Jesus called" shtick is so smart-ass teenager-like...is that how old you are? Seriously...it would explain a lot.

The rest of your post directed at me hardly deserves notice, BUT, I will say that we give to the Salvation Army because they are ethical and the money goes to those that need it...Air America won't be able to come along and borrow it to stay afloat, say. I'm curious as to why you would assume we're a stingy family just because we pick one charity over another. Wouldn't you prefer that all that is collected for victims of disaster go to the actual victims, Doug? Or does it matter to you as long as you feel good about yourself?

Go back to DU...you fit in just right over there. Yuck.

Colleen. First of all. One of the things I hate about DU is that some of the people that hang out there resort to juvenile name calling. Things like Smarmy idiot for example. You have more in common with them than you know.

Next, to answer your question... "I'm curious as to why you would assume we're a stingy family just because we pick one charity over another."

Let's see if you're bright enough to answer your own question ok Colleen? Remember you said...

"that's the only place any money from our family will go to help anyone anytime"

Anyone - Anytime. Your words Colleen.

Do you give to your church through the Salvation Army for example Colleen?

We give to about 10 organizations and 10 charities a year and we could still do more.

You give to one.

Stingy. You said it yourself.

You didn't strike a nerve, Doug, you just soiled yourself. Again.

Most all of Limbaugh's material comes straight from liberal Democrat soundbites and transcriptions. It was Ted Kennedy, for instance, who originally introduced Barak Obama as "Osama Obama." And as for Katrina Vanden Heuvel, the erratic, ham-fisted editor of The Nation, if you ever sat down to read all that stuff you'd recognize the metaphor is apt, which makes it funny to those of us who understand the reference. You don't apparently. Oh, well. And as for "20 years of his crap," just what exactly kind of "crap" is it that not only endures, but thrives for 20 years as the sword upon which the Left has so consistently impaled itself? The endless supply of material is the reason The Rush Limbaugh Show has been so successful, because not only is so much of it true, it's funny because so much of it is true. When the the leadership and ideas of a political party can be so easily reduced by the satirical humor of an AM radio talkshow host armed with only a high school education and an enthusiasm for reading, then so much for the leadership and ideas of that political party. We may as well laugh as cry.

And, by the way, for somebody who claims to have been "raised Christian," it is decidedly untoward and unChristian (and evident of failed parenting) to be invoking "Jesus" in ad hominem attacks on the charity of a woman and her family in the wake of a national catastrophe. You ought to apologize for your remarks, but it is clear from your postings that you have neither the maturity nor the integrity to do so, which all the more underscores the moral and political bankruptcy of the cause you so earnestly represent, and which is, exactly as he predicted, just more of precisely the kind of material that has made The Rush Limbaugh Show the resounding and universal success that it is.

Keep up the good work.

Well, good for you, Doug! 10 organizations and 10 charities!! My...aren't you something?!! 'Course none of us know whether or not that's true...still...most people who give with a good motive don't toot their own horns. I think you're full of it. And charities are NOT church...that's a whole different thing (ever heard of tithing?). I don't have the boorishness to list what charities we give to...I'm sure none of them would meet with your approval and don't frickin' need to. I say again...yuck.

To Colleen...

Colleen said,

"I don't have the boorishness to list what charities we give to..."

Oh really Colleen? Wasn't it you that said...

"Does DU have a link to the Salvation Army, Doug? Cuz that's the only place any money from our family will go to help anyone anytime..."

So Colleen... since you DID in fact list the ONE charity you contribute to, I guess that would make you boorish wouldn't it.

You also said...

"I'm sure none of them would meet with your approval"

Well Colleen, should I remind you that I'm not the one passing judgenent on what charities are acceptable. You are. The six initially listed at DU weren't good enough and you made damn sure that I knew you only give to the Salvation Army. As for my approval, I could give a flying fig who you contribute to.

Next Colleen says,

"I think you're full of it."

Colleen. Guess what? I won't lose any sleep tonight or any other night over what you think about me.

To Eracus,

Eracus says,

"You ought to apologize for your remarks, but it is clear from your postings that you have neither the maturity nor the integrity to do so"

It's clear from your postings that you believe you have the mortal authority to pass judgement on others.

As I said in a previous thread discussion with you, walk your talk buddy. Like Colleen, you keep exposing yourself but you're to arrogant to see it.

But for everyone who would like a good chuckle, here it is... You said,

"And, by the way, for somebody who claims to have been "raised Christian," it is decidedly untoward and unChristian (and evident of failed parenting)..."

unChristian indeed.

Hello, Doug...hello, hello....I never went to Du to see what charities they posted...I went once following a link to something else and said I would never go again. Get it? You remind me of a particularly nightmarish version of the know-it-all girl in Beaver Cleaver's grade school class. Mosstly you are the epitome of a leftist...tolerant and loving towards all...non-judgemental...well, most of the time, eh?

Eracus, let's leave him smirking with his quick wit and devastating rejoinders, shall we?

Colleen said,

"I never went to Du to see what charities they posted...I went once following a link to something else and said I would never go again. Get it?"

Yes. I get it. Completely. To review... You give to the Salvation Army. Period. You wouldn't go to DU to see what links may be there because you think DU is icky. It wouldn't matter anyway because you only give to one Charity.

The Salvation Army does great things but they don't have the resources, funding or network to help every person or family in need. That's usually why most people give to multiple charities.

If you don't appreciate your own words being thrown in your face, perhaps you should be more careful about making broad generalizations and blatant hypocritical statements.

Next, you say,

"You remind me of a particularly nightmarish version of the know-it-all girl in Beaver Cleaver's grade school class."

I'll play along. You remind me of Lumpy Rutherford. If you recall, in the early days of the show, Lumpy was the first bully that the Beaver and Wally had to deal with. When he was actually challenged though, his true cowardly self shows through. I also recall that when Lumpy was having a particularly difficult time, he was whining for his daddy to come bail him out of the mess he created. For example,

Colleen (aka Lumpy) said,

"Eracus, let's leave him smirking with his quick wit and devastating rejoinders, shall we?"

uh...what quick wit? You mean dim wit? We're down to Lumpy Rutherford here. In detail, yet.

Proof enough of the...uh...enlightened mind on display here, throwing the sand in his sandbox.

Have a nice day, Doug.

I always do Eracus. They're even more special when I can spend a few minutes exchanging pleasantries with you and your friend Colleen.

You have a good day yourself Eracus and please give my best to Colleen.

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