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June 08, 2005

On the One Hand...

...I could care less about John Kerry's grades:

The transcript shows that Kerry's freshman-year average was 71. He scored a 61 in geology, a 63 and 68 in two history classes, and a 69 in political science. His top score was a 79, in another political science course. Another of his strongest efforts, a 77, came in French class.

Under Yale's grading system in effect at the time, grades between 90 and 100 equaled an A, 80-89 a B, 70-79 a C, 60 to 69 a D, and anything below that was a failing grade. In addition to Kerry's four D's in his freshman year, he received one D in his sophomore year. He did not fail any courses.

''I always told my Dad that D stood for distinction," Kerry said yesterday in a written response to questions, noting that he has previously acknowledged that he spent a lot of time learning to fly instead of focusing on his studies.

Kerry's weak grades came despite years of education at some of the world's most elite prep schools, ranging from Fessenden School in Massachusetts to St. Paul's School in New Hampshire.

It was forty years ago. And I suspect that anyone whose personality is formed to have the drive to excel at the paper chase that early in life will probably pay for it later.

Non-issue.

Posted by Mitch at June 8, 2005 05:39 AM | TrackBack
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Arghhh! You know that "Pet Peeves" post from yesterday? Here's one of mine: The use of "I could care less" when "I couldn't care less" is meant. Apropos JFK's grades, you imply that it is not completely insignificant to you. If you meant to say that Kerry's report cards were of no interest to you, then you should have said "I couldn't care less about Kerry's grades".

Sorry, Mitch, if this seems a little harsh, but I sometimes feel like I am under Contractional Obligation to correct people about this. Plus, I wanted to work in the word "apropos".

Posted by: Dave in Pgh. at June 8, 2005 05:54 AM

One of the smartest guys I know had a horrible GPA in college. As a matter of fact, he flunked out. School just wasn't his thing. But he's a genius when it comes to cars, tools, machines of ANY kind ... Intelligence doesn't rest solely in the grades you got in sophomore Algebra.

I couldn't care less (heh heh) about all of this. I didn't care about when Bush's grades were under the spotlight, and I don't care about it with Kerry either.

Posted by: red at June 8, 2005 07:12 AM

I wasn't the best student as an undergrad either, so I couldn't crticize Kerry's grades at Yale. Hell, I couldn't've gotten into Yale. That being said, Kerry (and his supporters)painted himself as an "intellectual", certainly smarter than that goofball Bush. So now the records show he was just another kid who blew off a year of college. If this is what he was hiding, it is kind of sad, but Kerry always has been more about the Legend than the Man.

Posted by: JamesPh. at June 8, 2005 10:23 AM

Red,

"One of the smartest guys I know had a horrible GPA in college."

One of the best-educated (as opposed to "most-schooled") people I've ever met was my old drummer. He'd dropped out of tenth grade and worked mostly as a short-order cook - but he had read more, and more good stuff, than most of my English-major friends (up in your league, there, Red - in fact, he was aggressively Irish and one of the biggest Joyce freaks I've ever met). He had an effortless command of history, philosophy, literature (Irish lit, especially, although I had him beaten on Russian and German)...

...point being that genuine education has little to do with school, really.

"I couldn't care less (heh heh) about all of this. I didn't care about when Bush's grades were under the spotlight, and I don't care about it with Kerry either."

I certainly don't. Although I think it's funny - Bush had better undergrad grades than Gore, better SAT scores than Bill Bradley, and now we see how he compared with Kerry. And yet we all know what the conventional wisdom says about Bush's intelligence versus all three of 'em.

James,

"I wasn't the best student as an undergrad either, so I couldn't crticize Kerry's grades at Yale. Hell, I couldn't've gotten into Yale."

I pay very little attention to where people went to school. Fact is, I probably have (or had) a bit of a chip on my shoulder about it; I've gone up against Ivy Leaguers for jobs, me with my degree from the most obscure college on earth - and won, dagnabbit. Time has eroded the chip just a bit, but when in doubt I still pretty aggressively prefer delivery to credendials.

" That being said, Kerry (and his supporters)painted himself as an "intellectual", certainly smarter than that goofball Bush. So now the records show he was just another kid who blew off a year of college. If this is what he was hiding, it is kind of sad, but Kerry always has been more about the Legend than the Man."

Exactly.

Posted by: mitch at June 8, 2005 11:07 AM

I think that JamesPh hit the nail on the head. They tried the same in 2000 by saying that then Governor Bush who earned an MBA from Harvard was somehow “dumb” compared to then Vice President Gore who dropped out of law school and the seminary.

Personally I wouldn’t mind a policy wonk as president but I realize it’s more about managerial skills and delegating to the right people than it is about the level of technical knowledge of the guy at the top.


Posted by: Thorley Winston at June 8, 2005 11:10 AM

Thorley,

"I think that JamesPh hit the nail on the head. They tried the same in 2000 by saying that then Governor Bush who earned an MBA from Harvard was somehow “dumb” compared to then Vice President Gore who dropped out of law school and the seminary."

The left's latest meme is that Harvard Biz School is a sluff gig compared to Harvard or Yale Law. Oh.

"Personally I wouldn’t mind a policy wonk as president but I realize it’s more about managerial skills and delegating to the right people than it is about the level of technical knowledge of the guy at the top."

Honestly, I think the technical knowledge is a hindrance beyond a certain point. Jimmy Carter, Herbert Hoover, LBJ and Algore (and Newt, Trent Lott, Bob Dole and George H.W. Bush, for that matter) were/are all policy technicians, wonks and tinkerers of the first order - and I'd trade 'em all for a good manager with a solid, consistent, doggedly-held vision like Reagan and Dubya.

Posted by: mitch at June 8, 2005 11:17 AM

People, you are missing the point. When did Kerry ever try and explicitly paint himself as an intellectual? He spent most of the campaign trying to paint himself as an "average joe" in order to appeal to rural voters in swing states like Ohio. Can you give an example where Kerry tried to act like a smarty-pants? It's nothing more than a label that Rebublicans put on Democrats to paint them as out of touch, effete elites on the coasts. In fact, if Kerry's grades has been made public during the campaign it may have actually helped him. By the way, did any of you watch the presidential debates? Listening to George Bush talk is like watching a drunk man trying to walk across an icy street. He has not got the first clue how to make a logical argument. Thank god he didn't get into law school. And, by the way, Dick Cheney, who many see as the wise old man of this administration, flunked out of Yale. The only thing we can take from this is that lots of politicians in both parties (Gore, Bush, Kerry, McCain, Bradley, Cheney and surely lots more) were not exactly studious in their younger years.

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