Talk about taking one for the team.
I listened to about two hours of Al Franken, and even half an hour of Janeane Garawfulo, listening for some sign...any response at all, to the Christmas in Cambodia story.
Zip.
Paul Krugman, Robert Smigel and MoDo. They were recycling tropes about Bush's "Seven Minutes" on 9/11 ("I mean, ummmmmmmmmmmmm, Bush could have thcrambled thome planes, thaved the liveth at the, ummmmmmmmmmmm, Pentagon!").
Waiting for orders?
By the way, read the Franken and Garawfulo show blogs. Maybe it's just me, but do you detect a kind of feverishness about all the FrankenNet publications? Like one of my commenters said yesterday - maybe the whole strategery is to forget about facts and just keep whipping the moonbat base into an unholy froth?
As to consequences - as Kos says, "Screw 'em".
Posted by Mitch at August 11, 2004 07:52 AM | TrackBack
Mitch, thank for your service in checking out this fever swamp. Can't do it myself, so for all of us who can't do it either, we thank you, and humble acknowledge the debt.
I do think you're correct, they aren't speaking to the basic charges, they are attacking the Swifties, and filing suit. Which effectively shuts everything down. They can just say, "We have no comment on an on-going investigation/lawsuit". Arrrghhhhh
Posted by: Silver at August 11, 2004 08:08 AMI've commented a bit, and (considering I'm not exactly a major blogger), I've linked to Kevin Drum's comments as well.
I still think that in the end, at worst this is somewhat embarassing for Kerry and then it vanishes into the night. It's a Bush/National Guard thing. The righties can console themselves that Kerry lied about Cambodia, just as the lefties console themselves that Bush didn't report for duty. But the people who actually matter don't care either way.
Posted by: Jeff Fecke at August 11, 2004 11:15 AMYou can't equivocate this one, Jeff. Disregarding whether or not Bush really served his National Guard duty (and I think he did, as no one has disproved it, despite the missing microfilm etc.), Kerry wants us to judge him on his record in Vietnam. It is the centerpiece of his campaign.
We are obligated look at the Vietnam record closely, because Kerry insists on it ad nauseum. And what do we see?
"Mr. President, I remember Christmas of 1968 sitting on a gunboat in Cambodia. I remember what it was like to be shot at by Vietnamese and Khmer Rouge and Cambodians, and have the President of the United States telling the American people that I was not there; the troops were not in Cambodia. I have that memory which is seared -- seared -- in me, that says to me, before we send another generation into harm's way we have a responsibility in the US Senate to go the last step, to make the best effort possible in order to avoid that kind of conflict."
So this is something which affected him tremendously, seared in his memory. Something that is a flat out LIE. A lie which he has repeated in his book, and in a letter-to-editor to the Boston Globe, and in his US Senate testimony against supporting the Nicaragua Contras (see above).
The Kerry campaign is hysterical about the Swift Boat Vets digging this up, because they know it is fatal to their candidate.
"Seared -- seared in me", indeed.
Posted by: Gideon at August 11, 2004 02:40 PMMy Bad. Kerry's letter to the editor was to the Boston Herald not Globe. Quote per Instapundit.com:
"On more than one occasion, I, like Martin Sheen in 'Apocalypse Now,' took my patrol boat into Cambodia. In fact, I remember spending Christmas Day of 1968 five miles across the Cambodian border being shot at by our South Vietnamese Allies who were drunk and celebrating Christmas. The absurdity of almost being killed by our own allies in a country in which President Nixon claimed there were no American troops was very real. But nowhere in 'Apocalypse Now' did I sense that kind of absurdity."
Even the liberal media can't ignore this one.
Posted by: Gideon at August 11, 2004 02:57 PM"Even the liberal media can't ignore this one."
Just watch 'em.
Posted by: Ryan at August 11, 2004 03:24 PMQuestion for the military historians.
If it comes out that someone obtained a purple heart under false circumstances (e.g. they wounded themselves by improperly handling their weapon) and got out of active duty in a combat early earlier than they would have but for the purple heart, what is the military’s policy in those situations? Do they do nothing if the person is no longer in the service or can they revoke an award and possibly enact some sort of punitive measure such as changing their service record or worse?
Posted by: Thorley Winston at August 11, 2004 06:07 PMThe is a board for the correction of military records (don't recall if each service has one or there is one for all). I know a servicememeber can petiton to change or correct a record, but I don't know if the Board(s) can correct a record without such a request.
Posted by: James Ph. at August 11, 2004 07:44 PM