Kerry reminds me of the proslavery advocates before the Civil War who went around proclaiming that they personally were opposed to slavery yet wanted to do nothing to limit it.

I think of all the flip flops of John Kerry this is the most odious, for it mocks the prolife movement, and even mocks the meaning of life itself.

For anyone who believes that life begins at conception, the logical conclusion is that abortion is tantamount to murder of a life.

Therefore, to take Kerry at his word, he willingly sanctions what he believes to be murder. There is no way around that...

If Kerry thinks this will gain him any prolife votes he is sadly mistaken; I've spoken to a few prolife people this morning and they are appalled at Kerry.

I have more respect for the person who is pro-abortion but doesn't believe life begins at conception...

Kerry also seems to be implying that one should not vote based upon one's beliefs, values, or principles....gee, that only leaves voting based upon crass self-interest and political calculation...

I don't think Kerry is flip flopping on this issue. He just consistently shapes his beliefs and opinions around the "Greater Good" principle.

Whatever gives him the most votes he views as being the "greater good".

So I am assuming that you all have some adopted children? That you are against the death penalty? That you are Pro-sex education and family planning? That you are advocating strongly for better schools, proper funding for education, a nationalised health program so that children of all income levels grow up healthy?

Or does your concern for other human beings end once they are born.

JasonDL:

EUREKA! I've NEVER seen these particular points before! You have broached PURELY ORIGINAL THOUGHT into the debate!

Pay attention - because I'm going to turn each of these illogical strawmen back at you. I don't expect answers - I think it'll make your brain pop and sputter like a pan of Jiffy-Pop - but here goes, your questions first:

"So I am assuming that you all have some adopted children?"

No, but I'm raising the two children that I brought into this world. I may in the future adopt children.

"That you are against the death penalty?"

I oppose the death penalty in almost all cases.

" That you are Pro-sex education and family planning?"

I support consequence-driven sex education, and contraception. "Family planning" is a hilariously inconsistent idea - which you'd know if you were a parent.

"That you are advocating strongly for better schools, proper funding for education,

Inconsistent. I advocate better schools - by privatizing the ones we have. And abandoning the "Keep your butt in your chair" model of education. And neutering the teacher's union. "Proper" funding is no answer while at least the last two of those three are unchanged.

" a nationalised health program so that children of all income levels grow up healthy?"

Nationalized healthcare guarantees no such thing.

"Or does your concern for other human beings end once they are born."

As a Christian and a conservative, I am bound to be concerned about people of all ages.

Now, my questions:

I presume that you do post-abortion counseling? To help the huge number of women who suffer psychological trauma when they realize that their contraceptive abortion has an emotional and moral aspect that nobody at Planned Parenthood or NARAL ever talks about?

I presume you're active in helping the victims of crime?

That you actively counsel children that sex has consequences far beyond mere fun?

That you have learned anything about how schools, education, and (here's the big one) children actually work? How kids really learn best? Whether all of your panacaeae will have any effect at all?

That you've gone beyond Dennis Kucinich's talking points in learning the effects of nationalized healthcare?

Somehow I doubt it.

"I presume that you do post-abortion counseling? To help the huge number of women who suffer psychological trauma when they realize that their contraceptive abortion has an emotional and moral aspect that nobody at Planned Parenthood or NARAL ever talks about? "

As a social services worker in a large urban city I have done this and much more. I hate to tell you this, but the number of folks "traumatised" as you assert just havent materialised. Turn off the FOX and actually talk to these people who are just numbers to you.

"I presume you're active in helping the victims of crime?"

Yes its part of my daily "routine" as is dealing with the horrendous results of gun violence, drug addiction and crime relating to it, and worst of all the results of all this on the children.

"That you actively counsel children that sex has consequences far beyond mere fun?"

Almost daily, but its a typically conservative (dare I say, suburban) vie that these are informed adults simply making descisions, when In reality the great majority of these folks are frighteningly unaware of the consequenses. And thanks largely to the ongoing sex education program out city has been running teen pregnancy and STD rates have decreased dramatically. . . once we got realistic and abandoned the "abstinence only" program that we were "supposed" to be teaching.

"That you have learned anything about how schools, education, and (here's the big one) children actually work? How kids really learn best? Whether all of your panacaeae will have any effect at all?"

This is hilarious coming from someone who obviously isnt familiar with large cities, the poor, and the completely different lives that they lead from what you evidently do. In our work we are responsible for not only sex education and drug prevention, but violence counciling, rape counciling, getting mothers as young as 12 and 13 social and health services, the heartbreaking trauma of removing children from unsafe families. Unfortuneatly for me, i know exactly how schools work and that with the grossly unequal funding that my schools get they will never approach their minimum requirement of teachers, supplies and class size.

That you've gone beyond Dennis Kucinich's talking points in learning the effects of nationalized healthcare?

Regardless of whose opinion it is (and frankly I am not familiar with Mr.K's viewpoint) its easy to decry nationalised healthcare when you are not one of the 42 MILLION people who are uninsured in this country. Ive interviewed whole blocks of families where no member of the family from the primary caregiver to the smallest child is insured at all. Perhaps where you live this is not the case, my families cannot get dental care, cannot get any medical preventitive treatment (most realise they must wait for a serious helath problem or they will be turned away from the local hospital emergency rooms)

Im sure you have some great "zingers" prepared, but the fact still remains that you are blind to those of a different economic level, geographic location, and in most cases a work week that would kill you in a month.

Like most conservative you see your 4 or 5 friends doing just fine and assume that anyone not doing so well must be stupid/lazy/ or criminal.

You said my mind would be blown by your response. it certainly was, Im appaled at your obvious lack of any knowledge outside the tiny bubble you have insulated yourself with.