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May 17, 2004

Line of the Day, Issue of the Year

Scott "The Big Trunk" Johnson at Powerline has the money quote of the day, perhaps for the whole blogosphere, in re the Massachussetts Supreme Court's decision on gay marriage.

The love that won't shut up now demands the approval of those who want little more than the inner freedom to dissaprove of certain conduct and to preserve legal recognition of the natural distinctions on which the family is based so that the family might be preserved.
This hits the nail on the head.

As a libertarian, I was at one point a grudging supporter of gay marriage. The conduct of those who support the idea, especially their end-run around the court of public opinion straight to the Court of the Disengaged Starchamber - as well as the often-more-coherent conservative arguments against the idea - have morphed my opinion from grudging support to mild opposition. The spectacle in San Francisco, and the ideologically-jackbooted demands for aquiescence and often-facile sloganeering on the part of some gay marriage supporters, have overrun what seemed at one time to be in some ways a reasonable argument.

Posted by Mitch at May 17, 2004 08:18 AM
Comments

Mitch-

Can't find your email on this page. Anyhow, as someone interested in concealed carry, you may want to comment on this Doug Grow column from yesterday:

http://www.startribune.com/stories/465/4777226.html

Posted by: me at May 17, 2004 09:01 AM

As an atheist neo-libertarian, I was always agnostic about the issue as it did involve anyone’s rights per se but was rather a debate about privileges – namely having the convenience of the having issues such as property disposition, child custody, and medical decisions automatically being dealt with in one standard civil marriage contract rather than having to make the effort to draft an agreement on your own. AFAIK nothing ever preventing anyone from having whatever private ceremony they wanted and naming whomever they wanted in their will or buying property together or making them the party responsible for making health care decisions, etc.

The thing is though, even though I am not religious, I am decidedly pro-rule of law when it comes to courts following original intent rather than simply making up a rationale to fit their desired outcome (as happened in Massachusetts) or elected officials deciding to ignore the law outright (as happened in San Francisco).

It would be one thing if this had been decided through democratically elected legislators rather than being imposed by activist judges. As Mitch so correctly pointed out, the other side has demonstrated through its “jackbooted demands for acquiescence” that it is unwilling to act in good faith and is willing to break the rules when they do not agree with them or to surreptitiously try to change the rules with an activist court and use our own support for the rule of law against us in the hopes that we are willing to go along with an illegitimate sham.

This sort of behavior has pushed me from being on the fence to on the pro-Federal Marriage Amendment side of the issue.

Posted by: PJZ at May 17, 2004 09:25 AM

That's a good quote, but I read a better one today.

"The only way the Sarin bomb gets any exposure in the media is if an American had shoved it up an Iraqi prisoner's arse."

Posted by: JR in Anoka at May 18, 2004 12:55 AM

The problem for me is not really should gays be allowed to marry, the question is: should people with conservative or religious principles be treated with respect and their ideas taken seriously; they should be free from ridicule and from being lambasted as no better than the KKK.

Posted by: Ann at May 18, 2004 11:22 PM

Ann,

Feel free to ask yourself any question you want.

While you're at it, get working on that "is the world round" thing.

Posted by: Mitch at May 19, 2004 05:36 AM

Ann,

Seriously, now - that's the sort of attitude that's helped sour me - a conserative one-time grudging supporter of gay marriage - into at most someone who is indifferent, and leaning against, the idea. So many of the arguments devolve down to "Opposing us proves you're a neanderthal!".

Attacking your opponent does nothing for your case.

Especially in my comment section.

Posted by: Mitch at May 19, 2004 05:38 AM
hi