He had a lengthy series of convictions, many of them disqualifying him from holding, much less owning or buying firearms.
He was in violation of an order for protection – itself a crime.
He had a history of same:
Gregory Ulrich was already subject to every restriction, sanction and consequence a “Red Flag” law can provide, and then some.
And still he shot up the Allina Clinic in Buffalo yesterday – a “gun free zone”, by the way – killing one and injuring several. He was prohibited from having, buying or owning guns by state and federal law, he was subject to at least one restraining order, and he built bombs – itself a very, very serious federal felony.
In short – when people say “we already have laws in place that do literally everything a “Red Flag” law is supposed to do”. Gregory Ulrich was a case in point.
Which didn’t stop Metro Minnesota’s political class from plying their dismal trade – exploiting crises:
And we, the good guys, implored our political class “learn the facts before you start jabbering about policy”. What good did it do us?
The Carver County sheriff pointed out in various news conferences yesterday that a “Red Flag” law would have been about as useful as a “Miss Minnesota” tiara on tow truck driver. Which ensures that Carver County’s sheriff won’t be getting any more live feed time.
I imagine personal injury attorneys are lining up to file lawsuits against allina for failing to protect its employees. At my clinic we had an informal escape plan. Not that it would have worked. Readers may recall the murder of Dr Steve Larson at his home by a deranged man. He was a colleague and dear friend of mine.
I AGREE!
lol…All caps.
Who gives a flying fuck what you agree with, or don’t Fapliar? Go back to your homoerotic fantasies, and enjoy many fine faps.
The adults are conversing.
Hey Tom Swift – fuck you little man.
I read one news report yesterday quoting Ulrich’s former roommate stating that Ulrich “showed (the roommate) papers” that allowed him to carry a pistol. If true, that’s a major FUBAR on someone in LE system’s part.
Ulrich’s was also under a restraining order which prohibited him from possessing weapons and was also found mentally incompetent by a judge to stand trial which was also grounds to give up any firearms. This guy was a poster child of a mentally deranged hand grenade ready to go off.
https://www.fox9.com/news/court-documents-ulrich-was-ordered-to-stay-away-from-clinic-doctor
Out of curiosity, does LE have to wait until someone like Ulrich commits another felony before they can enforce the prior restraining order and take away his weapons?
It’s pathetic that the gun grabbers will wave this bloody shirt around as an excuse to diminish our Second Amendment rights, but the real tragedy is in the judicial/legal system’s failure to follow up on this nutcase.
OK, he was arrested for violating a restraining order and had a series of felonies on his record….what, precisely, does it take for a person to be imprisoned these days? I would dare say that this is another example of an “under-incarceration” problem in our nation.
Nice to see that Carver County has a more sensible chief of police than its chief city, Chaska, had until 2019. (Scott Knight has thankfully retired)
I read one news report yesterday quoting Ulrich’s former roommate stating that Ulrich “showed (the roommate) papers” that allowed him to carry a pistol. If true, that’s a major FUBAR on someone in LE system’s part.
I’m not aware of “papers”, other than the affadafits and application forms one files to get one’s permit. It’s a plastic card.
But FUBARs have happened. The one homicide I know of traced to a legal permit holder in the past 18 years was to a woman who should not have had a permit.
Out of curiosity, does LE have to wait until someone like Ulrich commits another felony before they can enforce the prior restraining order and take away his weapons?
My understanding is no – yet another reason “Red Flags” are redundant, atlhough I can’t cite chapter and verse.
JK and Dr. Strunk,
Let’s use our indoor voices. Thanks.
Found the NYPost article, Mitch.
https://nypost.com/2021/02/09/buffalo-shooting-gregory-ulrich-a-wack-job-who-just-got-legal-firearm/
“A year ago, Zastra said he saw a letter Ulrich received that granted him permission to carry a weapon, even though local cops “knew he was a wack job.”
“He showed me a new handgun he got, I said, ‘What?’ You shouldn’t have a gun,” the roomie recalled.
Talk about the understatement of the new year.
Is it possible the whack job was somehow able to obtain a permit to purchase?
Regardless, I wish the gun grabbers were honest and went after court-proven nut cases like Ulrich rather than using his victims as a false pretext to persecute honest citizens who take the right to self-defense seriously.
“What, precisely, does it take for a person to be imprisoned these days? I would dare say that this is another example of an “under-incarceration” problem in our nation.”
One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest meets Catch 22, tragically.
Ulrich was judged mentally incompetent to stand trial, so the judge ordered him to turn in any firearms and let him walk. Presumably no LE follow-up to take his weapons, and no legal mechanism to incarcerate or treat the nutcase.
Built-in anarchy as system failure.
Predictable same old same old.
Sane people see the civil breakdown and act accordingly to protect themselves. No wonder after the great Covid panic and a summer of burning ‘n looting that guns are flying off the shelves and ammo is scarce.
Three things to keep in mind:
1. Roommate sees “letter” saying Ulrich can have a gun. Question: Was it an official letter or was it something Ulrich whipped up?
2. We do not know, at least I haven’t found any evidence, that he actually bought the gun. Question: Did someone buy it for him?
3. It appears that Ulrich was legally “Red Flagged” under due process rules, to the extent the law allows. Now, we have to look at my second point.
This incident is sadly similar to that of Adam Lanza, the Sandy Hook shooter. His mom worked in the government complex via the school system. She knew Adam was mentally challenged and according to the investigation, she was begging for help for him for at least two years, but she couldn’t get it from said government complex. She had her legally purchased firearm locked up, but Adam killed her and obtained the weapon that he used.
As a society, medical laws, like HIPPA, need to be changed, so that information on people like Adam can be shared between LE agencies.
On the back of my PTC:
Notice: The permit shall be void at the time the holder becomes prohibited by law from possession of a firearm and must be immediately returned to the issuing Sheriff’s office.
Golfdoc has a very interesting thought here. We have a clinic that’s been repeatedly threatened by at least one patient, and has suffered a lethal attack by that patient with several others injured. At what point do they become liable for the consequences if it turns out that they did not have adequate security and a crisis plan in place?
At another level, at what point does the state become liable if they declare someone mentally incompetent to stand trial, but do not take steps to prevent that person from hurting himself or others? If never, why not?
Seems to me that with this and far more issues, there are a lot of people who are indeed ethically liable who perhaps ought not be allowed to dodge legal liability.
at what point does the state become liable for anything? Thousands of businesses bankrupted, their employees without work, children not going to school, etc, etc.
Things like red flag laws & pre-emptive TRO’s can be used as “department of pre-crime” – like punishment for crimes not committed. it works against the rule of law.
Also firearm red flag laws can and will be weaponized by disgruntled spouses & ex-spouses.
Men actually enjoy the same rights as other groups.
Yes. Exactly, MO. You’ve discerned the real reasons behind these “sensible gun laws”.
lol…speaking of convictions and being disqualified…
Jeep has shitcanned Cowboy Bruce after he was arrested for drunken driving in
search of big game in the wilds of Montanahis home sweet shithole of NJ.These fucking reprobates are their own worst enemies
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