Have you heard about the election controversy? Votes cast by ineligible persons? Outdated voter registration lists allowing fraudulent votes to be cast? Warnings before the election of “widespread violation of the laws and procedures of the pre-voting process.” Election officials saying, “There is no evidence” to brush aside allegations of misconduct? Democrats in Congress threatening to punish those who question the election results?
No, not Trump. Myanmar (formerly Burma) where military officers have seized control, declared a one-year state of emergency, plan to hold fresh elections under supervision, and pledge to turn over control to the winner.
Apparently, their senior military leadership believes supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some fraudulent electoral ceremony. When they see the electoral process so blatantly corrupted that it robs the people of their right to self-determination, the military takes their oath to uphold and defend the Constitution seriously enough to intervene and force a do-over to vindicate the people’s Constitutional right.
What a bunch of haters.
Joe Doakes
Burma/Myanmar is a decades-long expose not only of the failures of socialism, but of the western Left’s myopia about the people they’s supposed to consider heroes.
You can be very concerned about thread topicality at times Mitch. “Lawyer Joe” isn’t writing about Burma/Myanmar’s history with socialism or the left’s Duranty act re Burma/Myanmar’s history with socialism. Joe is writing that he liked their military coup pre-texted on election fraud and thinks it would be great to have that here.
Mitch, in between your 20 or so Twitter replies today maybe you could answer here, would you support a military coup in this country pre-texted on election fraud? It’s perfectly ok to treat it with the with the hypothetical that it’s true there was fraud.
Unless you can tell me how many fraudulent votes were cast, and by who, for whom, you have no business saying that Trump was lying when he said the election was stolen from him. It’s just your opinion, based on appeal to doubtful authority.
The easier you make voting, the more fraud you will have.
Unless you can tell me how many fraudulent votes were cast, and by who, for whom, you have no business saying that Trump was lying when he said the election was stolen from him.
Unless you can tell me how many fraudulent votes were cast, and by who, for whom, you have no business sayin that the certified counts are inaccurate and that Trump did not lose.
I have a comment in moderation, I’ll try it without the “S” word.
You can be very concerned about thread topicality at times Mitch. “Lawyer Joe” isn’t writing about Burma/Myanmar’s history with Sism or the left’s Duranty act re Burma/Myanmar’s history with Sism. Joe is writing that he liked their military coup pre-texted on election fraud and thinks it would be great to have that here.
Mitch, in between your 20 or so Twitter replies today maybe you could answer, would you support a military coup in this country pre-texted on election fraud? It’s perfectly ok to treat it with the hypothetical that it’s true there was fraud.
Also note…Doake’s is treating the Myanmar military’s claim of election fraud as credible, when it’s probably not terribly credible. Fucking child like naivete there.
But I did not say that, JK.
The most important thing about elections in our democracy is that the vast majority should accept the outcome. That did not happen in 2020, 2016, 2000, and to a lesser extent 2004.
Conspiracy theories tend to be bullshit because you need tight control of the conspiracists, yet you need to keep the conspiracy secret.
OTOH, conspiracies of interests are common because you don’t need the tight control of the conspiracists by a master conspirator. Conspiracies of interest are often indistinguishable from factionalism.
You just did say that. I quoted you.
I think I probably agree there is a thing like “conspiracies of interest”. Maybe the blue state COVID governors are a an example we’d agree on.
Yesterday’s business: https://nypost.com/2021/02/11/bruce-springsteen-busted-after-one-shot-of-tequila/
I’m not a Springsteen music fan, at all. I think he’s OK as a guy, I think his earnestness is fairly genuine. He got effed here.
“Also note…Doake’s is treating the Myanmar military’s claim of election fraud as credible, when it’s probably not terribly credible. Fucking child like naivete there.”
Translation: The people of Myanmar who just lived through the election are not as capable of assessing the probability of election fraud as I am. Because I’m smart, not naive like them. And Doakes.
My understanding of the situation in Burma (Myanmar to the military) is that this military has essentially had control of the country since 1989. The ruling military power wrote their own, new constitution at that time and have subsequently used the document to questionable purposes to undermine the citizens. Even with the NDL elected to office, my understanding of their (military written constitution) is that the military group still retains ultimate power. Burma (Myanmar) ruling power has a lot of corruption. Based on reports I have read from the February 1 military coup, it does not seem that the citizens of Burma (Myanmar) actually support the coup or believe the claims of fraud.
Mjb003, just because you read deeply reported and analyzed pieces on Myanmar doesn’t mean you’re capable of making a judgment that the people don’t support the military’s coup there. Ipso Facto! No true Scotsman!
You might be right, mjb003. I have no way of assessing the independence, bias or credibility of the news media in Myanmar, so I have no basis to rate the probability of fraud in that election or the reaction of the general public to it.
LOL
We know that our national is neither independent nor unbiased.
It would be interesting to find out how many media employees file joint returns with federal employees in the DC area, and how many media employees know the people that they are covering socially? I don’t mean that they know each other casually, but whom they know & share common interests. If your kids attend the same private school as the kids of politicians and DC bureaucrats, you are not going to cover them in an unbiased manner.
Our national media is independent but biased.
“Doake’s is treating the Myanmar military’s claim of election fraud as credible, when it’s probably not terribly credible. Fucking child like naivete there.”
lol…That, from a miserable, lying twat that believes Pedo Joe was elected in the most transparent election, ever.
These dolts are a laugh riot.
We know that our national is neither independent nor unbiased.
If anyone is dimwitted enough to argue against that statement, consider all of the cross pollination between the Democrat party and CNN, MSNBC, NPR & etc.
The fucking reprobates travel between the two swamps in a pirogue flotilla…this one is out in Washington; in at MSNBC, that one just left CNN to take a job with this reprobate Senator.
It’s a fucking joke.
A swollen twat belched: “I’m not a Springsteen music fan, at all. I think he’s OK as a guy, I think his earnestness is fairly genuine. He got effed here.”
Awwww. Multimillionaire commie asshole was arrested for drunken driving, and got fired from his job with A CAR MANUFACTURER…and Fapliar sees evil afoot.
lol…
Meanwhile… https://www.newsweek.com/agent-fired-literary-agency-using-parler-gab-1564687
The really amusing part comes when all the useful tools end up against the wall before anyone else.
One year to flatten the curve.
“up against the wall”. I laugh. But again Mitch, congrats on your high character crowd here at Shit in the Dark. Mitch, are you going to be putting people against walls and pulling triggers when the time comes?
If you literally file a joint tax return with a person whose activity you cover, you are not an “independent journalist.”
In a world where journalists cared for their independence, this would not happen. But the class interests of many journalists are identical to the class interests of many bureaucrats and politicians. This was not always the case.
Some years ago Hugh Hewitt spent some time at the Columbia School of Journalism, with the blessing of its administration. Among other things, he found that the students there were not much like the American population who they believed that they spoke for.
They were more likely to be female, to be first or second generation immigrants, to come from middle income and higher households, and to identify as non-Christians as most Americans.
Personally I think of journalists as wannabe lawyers who didn’t have the chops for law school.
This is a great discussion because it give me an opportunity to remind people that when you’re arguing a point, you should avoid making mistakes of logic such as the Appeal to Authority logical fallacy.
Pro: There was no election fraud in Burma; therefore, it was unjust for the military to demand a new election.”
Con: How do you know there was no election fraud in Burma?
Pro: I read it in the paper. I trust the paper. If the paper said it, then it’s true. And the paper said no fraud, so there was no fraud.
[That analysis doesn’t prove there was no fraud. That analysis proves you trust the paper. For you, the paper is an Authority figure. Your argument is an Appeal to Authority which is a logical fallacy. The obvious follow-up is:]
Con: If the paper is mistaken, or lying to cover up the fraud, then there was election fraud so the military demand for a new election was justified.
I know, people hate these pedantic teaching moments. Insufferable know-it-all. Logic. Rules. Reason. Bullshit! We know better! Because we just do. And you’re stupid. So there.
But if you live your life believing the lie because you never question the liar . . .
It’s easy to say that Biden’s election was Trump’s fault. At the very least, he should have been been contesting the ad-hoc changes to voting laws in 2020 at least as hard as he fought the election results.
But there is a media-Democrat fail as well. It is their fault, as much as Trump’s, that so many Republicans and independents view Biden’s election as illegitimate. As I mentioned, they claimed presidential election fraud again and again, when they did not win. They embraced conspiracy theories that said elections were insecure and that MIB-like intimidation squads suppressed the black in Ohio in 2004.
And Stacy Abrams is STILL a darling of the MSM.
he should have been been contesting the ad-hoc changes to voting laws in 2020 at least as hard as he fought the election results
And how exactly would he do this? Voting laws are the purview of the states. This is similar to the constant complaints about how Trump mishandled the Kung flu. And the questions that Joe Doakes raised multiple times about where in the constitution he had the authority to tell states what to do – questions that remain unanswered, I might add. These questions apply equally well to contesting the ad-hoc changes.
I also find it interesting that the lead-in sentence blames Biden’s election on Trump and then proceeds to present an argument about the machinations of Democrats et al.
I do think that we have known for a long time that Burma (Myanmar) is corrupt and has had issues since the military coup in 1989. The US has had some sort of sanctions against them since that time, though Obama/Hillary did advocate for and lift sanctions a bit. There was concern from Human Rights groups that Obama lifting sanctions too soon could further enable the military power. Trump withheld aid due to ongoing Human Rights abuses and authorized sanctions that were later enacted. True, we all are not actually on the ground with Burma (Myanmar) citizens, so they may believe the military power. But, again, much of the world, including all of the past Presidents since 1989 tend to not trust the military power and tend to believe the Burma (Myanmar) citizens are better off when we support efforts towards democratization within the country. It is also possible that the military power in Burma (Myanmar) also suddenly supports the democratization process, thus they are “investigating” fraud, but given their history, I know much of the world does not believe it. There have been protests within the country itself against the military power as well, so there are at least a fraction of the citizens there who do not believe it.
I agree with you, mjb003, that nation is divided and has historical problems.
But it troubles me that a tinhorn military dictatorship in a shithole third world country is more concerned about election integrity than we are. They’re running a do-over. We’re punishing doubters.
jdm on February 11, 2021 at 11:08 am said:
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And how exactly would he do this?
I don’t know. Better lawyers? Lawyers he would listen to? He seemed to be just keeping his fingers crossed that his margin of victory would be so great the election would not be contested. I am not the first person to note this.
I don’t know
Exactly.
He seemed to be just keeping his fingers crossed that his margin of victory would be so great the election would not be contested
Isn’t this what every candidate does? For any office?
Nope. Some fight, and fight hard, changes to election laws that favor the other side. What did he expect to happen after the election? The SC would invalidate state counts that included millions of legitimately cast votes? The time to fight unfair election laws and voting procedures is before people vote, not after.
And again… how would he do this since voting is generally a state-run operation? And this “fight” thing. What does that even mean? You’re so insistent on this that you must have concrete suggestions. Better lawyers? How is that a suggestion?
Howzabout a riot at the capitol? That’ll do it!
Andrew Breitbart famously said that politics is downstream from culture. Until the American Right learns this lesson, it will continue to lose ground to democrats and socialists.
Immigration should have been a hill to die on back in the 80s & 90s. Instead the political capital of the GOP was used to get tax cuts, and fight increases in the minimum wage and socialized medicine.
These are positions much more popular with businessmen than with working Americans.
You want to teach working Americans differently, you have to control the culture.
I am being descriptive, not prescriptive. That is just the way it is.
Got it. Understood. On this topic, you’re no better than the Emery collective.
So, JDM, what is your suggestion? Another riot? How’d that work out for you?
Oh, good, more Emery imitations.
Our electoral system is permanently compromised. The reprobates stole the Presidential election in plain sight, and then stole the Georgia Senate runoffs. No rational person, that does not stand to gain from the corruption, disputes these facts.
And the reprobates are not going to allow their control to be challenged. There will be no repeal of mail-in balloting, much less no excuse absentee balloting. The crooked machines are there to stay, and no one is going to inspect the programs.
People won’t do anything to stop this until the pain they experience real time exceeds the fear of losing their stuff.
We will start seeing that in March, when mortgage and rent payments will come due, with interest. Homes will be lost….thousands of homes.
If the reprobates continue their scorched earth policy against decent American citizens; cancelling bank accounts and access to credit; demanding people be barred from employment, things will heat up fast.
When you ain’t got nothing; you got nothing to lose.
Our electoral system is permanently compromised [and everything that followed]
I agree. Actually, I have come to the conclusion that Trump was never going to win because it was not going to be allowed:
The System killed people for political power. Remember that. Not China. Not Yemen. The people in charge of OUR cultural institutions drowned people in their own lung fluid in order to win an election.
Wake up and realize what you’re up against.
If you want a more intellectual and better argued perspective, look up the Tiberius Sempronius Gracchus post at the borepatch blog. Or The Thirty Tyrants article from Tablet Magazine. But it doesn’t matter; it’s the past. Our thirty tyrants are here and as the Doctor so eloquently puts it “things will heat up fast”.
Well, then what do you do, JDM?
A second American revolution?
I am reminded that all of the Left’s goals have been achieved WITHOUT a revolution. Easy divorce, abortion on demand, gay marriage, etc.
Coming next: the end of citizens owning their own firearms and the end of organized Christianity.
And they did it without once occupying the capitol.
Back in the 70s and 80s, a big deal was made about the “equal rights amendment.” This would have made sex discrimination on any grounds illegal across the 50 states. The end result would have been women in combat roles in the military and unisex bathrooms.
It never came close to passing, but dang if that is not the law of the land now.
Watch your enemies, learn from them.
And they did it without once occupying the capitol.
Ahem. They occupied all of DC, banking and educational institutions. And they continue to occupy.
Well, then what do you do, jdm? A second American revolution?
I don’t know and I don’t understand why you are interrogating me about it. I will say that this thread seems perceptive (but YMMV):
People keep asking me how we win this. We don’t win. LOL. We throw sand in the gears and wait for the thing to grind itself into its own destruction, hope we don’t lose everything in the process, and start rebuilding after the catastrophe ends. Winning has left the building.
Wake up and realize what you’re up against.
Bro, do you even read the crap I write here? I’m out here stockpiling food, liquor, batteries, fuel and medical supplies for God’s sake. I’m flying the flag upside down in front of my house! ☠
Being the Cassandra of SITD is no easy task, my brother.