Fake But…Well, Let’s Not Get Hung Up On Details

The Texas Air National Guard memos were fakes.

There was no “Republican War on Women”.

Elizabeth Warren isn’t really Cherokee, and wasn’t fired from a teaching job for being pregnant.

Beto O’Rourke isn’t really Latino.

Alexandria “Tide Pod Evita” Ocasio Cortez isn’t really a working stiff-ette from the block.

Ilhan Omar isn’t really much of anything she claims to be.

Joe Biden’s family weren’t killed by a drunk driver:

…people are killed by drunk drivers every day in this country. Joe Biden’s wife and daughter were not among them, in spite of his libelous claims that they lost their lives in an accident involving an irresponsible truck driver who, as Biden put it, “drank his lunch.” The man who oversaw that investigation, Delaware Superior Court judge Jerome O. Herlihy, repeatedly has confirmed that there is no evidence alcohol was involved. The survivors of the driver, who has since passed away, have publicly asked Biden to stop telling this lie and besmirching the memory of their father. Investigators at the time determined that the accident was not even the other driver’s fault — Mrs. Biden seems to have driven accidentally into the path of the truck.

Putin didn’t buy the election. Brett Kavanaugh wasn’t a rapist.

“Anti-Fa” isn’t the opposite of “fascist”.

Assault rifles are a statistical blip, gun crimes in Chicago are not causally related to the availability of guns in Indiana, the Second Amendment was not written specifically to defend slave owners, gun control has no effect on criminals or crime, and good guys with guns are disproportionally effective against both street crime and mass shootings.

Democrat messaging seems to have entirely morphed into saying whatever Progs want the gullible, ill-informed and emotion-driven to believe, without regard to truth, much less punctilious accuracy.

35 thoughts on “Fake But…Well, Let’s Not Get Hung Up On Details

  1. Look wingnut, you’re being pedantic on details. Point is there are larger truths…

  2. Question for the people with military training and experience: Is it SOP to bomb your own base on the way out?

    Or is that, like, bad?

  3. Emery – I understand that you likely meant that question as a provocation. But, I’ll answer it anyhow.

    In regards to it being SOP (Standard Operation Procedure), probably not. SOP is determined by a smaller organization – from team level at the smallest, to Division/Corps level. SOP will depend upon the type of unit (Combat Arms, Combat Service Support, etc) as well as the permissiveness of the environment, and the ROE. SOP’s aren’t always going to be the same – for example, a special operations unit in a “Green/Hold” environment are going to be very different than a Logistics/Trucking unit in a “Red/Tight” environment.

    Now, as to bombing bases as you leave? When we pulled the majority of forces out of Iraqi, there was a couple months of cleaning things out. Everything else got left for (our allies?) the Iraqi forces. Which, then got grabbed by ISIS. You deny to the enemy what you can’t take with you.

    So, yes, it could be SOP. There could have been an SOP for calling in FPF (final protective fire), even if there were still forces there. SOP for a vehicle that can’t be driven away? It could be set a thermite on the engine block. Or the radios…. Point being, if you can’t take it with you, destroy it.

    On a side note – if you have a couple thermite grenades on your body armor, try not to get shot in them. If it’ll melt through an engine block and into asphalt, it’ll do nasty things to your flesh and bone.

  4. “Question for the people with military training and experience: Is it SOP to bomb your own base on the way out?”

    Fuck no! SOP is to leave everything in place for our sworn enemies to haul off and use against us. Oh, *snap* That SOP probably changed when Barry Sotero left office….never mind.

  5. From Nineteen Eighty-Four:
    The speech had been proceeding for perhaps twenty minutes when a messenger hurried on to the platform and a scrap of paper was slipped into the speaker’s hand. He unrolled and read it without pausing in his speech. Nothing altered in his voice or manner, or in the content of what he was saying, but suddenly the names were different. Without words said, a wave of understanding rippled through the crowd. Oceania was at war with Eastasia! The next moment there was a tremendous commotion. The banners and posters with which the square was decorated were all wrong! Quite half of them had the wrong faces on them. It was sabotage! The agents of Goldstein had been at work! There was a riotous interlude while posters were ripped from the walls, banners torn to shreds and trampled underfoot. The Spies performed prodigies of activity in clambering over the rooftops and cutting the streamers that fluttered from the chimneys. But within two or three minutes it was all over. The orator, still gripping the neck of the microphone, his shoulders hunched forward, his free hand clawing at the air, had gone straight on with his speech. One minute more, and the feral roars of rage were again bursting from the crowd. The Hate continued exactly as before, except that the target had been changed.”

  6. @smh
    True as it usually indicates a rushed and involuntary departure. It is the SOP of retreat and surrender. Also basically an admission that we are ceding territory to our enemies rather than our allies.

    Vietnam vets will have some opinions on this too.

  7. Emery – that’s what you took out of that? I suppose I should have realized that rather than absorb information and what it means, you look at how it fits into your mindset and worldview.

    If we were to leave S. Korea, we probably wouldn’t bomb the bases. But, we’d clear everything out first. Especially sensitive items. But, we’ve been there over 60 years. Probably could have used a bulldozer to remove any COP’s (Combat OutPost) in Syria, but that would have required at least a semi tractor/trailer, as well as the bulldozer. Way more work than just dropping a 500lb dumb bomb. And, with the same effect. And yes, the COP was in Syria, correct? We’ve not counted on them as allies. It’s still not in an allied territory.

  8. I’m personally stunned that Emery didn’t have some clue about why one might destroy an outpost when one abandoned it. We might infer that this is the level of thinking that he’s capable of, which would be why Swiftee and others are constantly pointing out his cut & paste of talking points.

  9. Well, I’m personally stunned that so many of you commenters actually engage the little weasel as a discussion-worthy opponent. He, like the other SItD trolls, simply pesters with plagiarized copy, mealy-mouthed insinuations, half-truths, and often just out right lies (in the case of Penny, the plagiarized copy is replaced by Adderal ranting).

  10. @smh:
    I don’t necessarily disagree with your characterization. It’s SOP to deny the enemy anything of use if forced to abandon equipment or supplies. I suspect it’s often cheaper to leave materiel behind than evacuate it, so you render it unusable. What is bad is retreating from a hardened position in which you control the surrounding territory.

    That said, this method of achieving that would likely only become necessary if the situation requiring stuff to be abandoned was. Deeply sub-optimal. It usually indicates a rushed and involuntary departure. Like, say, a retreat, perhaps?

  11. @Emery – look in APD 1-02. Operational Terms and Graphics. It’s an Army manual, but in sense it is also doctrine for the USMC as well. Why do I recommend this? Because words have meaning, and this is the book that defines those meanings.

    As you look through there, tell me where you find the word retreat? There are retrograde actions. Withdrawal. Retreat is, literally, not a word that is used by professionals when discussing operations. Kill, swack, end, or f**k up are not doctrinal terms. Defeat, destroy, and disable are – they mean very specific things in regards to force structure and resulting casualties.

    This is my last troll feeding. You mention retreating from a hardened position that controls the surrounding territory. What you fail to acknowledge is that, when the mission is complete, why would you want to stay at that hardened position? The great view of sand? All you can eat scorpions? No, the mission is the mission. They are not over there to build and hold an empire. Do the job, finish the mission, and get home.

  12. Emery, there is nothing inherently wrong with retreating from a position which is indefensible, unsupportable, or does not achieve strategic objectives. We’re talking about a couple of platoons, as far as I can tell, hardly enough to make much of a difference there.

    For an object lesson on “failure to retreat”, see “The Battle of Stalingrad.” Schicklgruber’s insistence that the German soldier’s boot never goes backward led to disaster there.

  13. I have my doubts, but I’m left wondering nonetheless.

    Did Trump foresee putting reprobate leftists in this untenable position?

    Turkey has agreed to a temporary cease fire. If Pompeo can negotiate a permanent one, the left is going to be left gently cupping Trump’s dick and balls during the campaign.

  14. To news reports calling this a ceasefire:
    The Turkish foreign minister disagrees
    Cavusoglu Press Conference:

    We got what we wanted.

    There was an agreement that the Turkish Armed Forces will control this area.

    The YPG’s heavy weapons will be collected.

    We will put Operation Peace Spring on hold for 120hrs so the YPG can vacate.

    This is not a ceasefire
    1:03 PM · Oct 17, 2019 from Yenimahalle, Türkiye·Twitter for Android

    My understanding is things fall into two categories. Items such as small arms and other objects we don’t really care about, or technology we don’t want others gaining access to. With the second we make sure to destroy it when pulling out, with the incidentals we don’t care.

    Bombing our own base from the sky implies that we cared (so it’s not the above we’re worried about) but is done in a fashion that doesn’t guarantee destruction, and in a time-frame that indicates the move was not on our own choice. Hence. retreat.
    So much winning

    “In historic peace agreement brokered by Donald Trump, US Kurdish allies may flee into hands of Syrian, Russian, and Iranian armies.” ~ DPRK News Service
    Official News feed of Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea

  15. for 50 years progressives have been howling that we are not the policeman of the world and that we shouldn’t be involved in these endless little pissant wars all over the world. Now we’ve finally got a president who is trying to extricate us from a series of poor decisions by his predecessors and the progressives are keening “we have to stay”. Suddenly the Democrats are the party in favor of endless wars. Go figure.

  16. So I listened to Jonah Goldberg’s podcast today. He had on a guy named Ken Pollack, a CIA, foreign service ME specialist. Of course the guy thought Trump had basically started WW3 by withdrawing protection from the Kurds. The Pollack guy at least admitted that he would keep American troops in Syria forever. Apparently it was stupid for Obama to put them there, and its also even more stupider to take them out.
    So I looked up this Pollack guy’s bio. Apparently he was quite famous for pushing for the invasion of Iraq back in 2002. He even wrote a book designed to push liberals into favoring the Iraq War. Pollack claimed that he doubted the Iraq War would cost as much as 10 billion, and there would be zero casualties.

  17. I’m with JDM: ignore the troll; eventually he will become bored and stay away.

    Plus it’s a thread jack, his usual mo.

    Ignore the troll.

  18. Republicans can’t bring up Joe Biden’s lies. That would be interfering in the Democrat primary selection process. They’d have to be impeached.

  19. I remember Trump hater, war monger RINO John McCain stating that we would have troops in Iraq for at least 30 years. If he were still alive, I can just imagine that he would have gone apoplectic over the withdrawal of our forces from Syria.

    Oh, say Emery, we have destroyed facilities and bases during both the Korean War (a major port) and in Vietnam (a couple of fire bases) to prevent their use by the enemy. Move on! There’s nothing to see here!

  20. kinlaw, Our Trolls are a part of this blog and with a few exceptions, they’re the only ones who can cause a blog posting to take off comment-wise. That can be (an) entertaining (time-waster).

    My core position is that the only response to Our Trolls should be ridicule. This can encompass Swiftee-esque abuse or sarcastically pointing out logical contradictions. It can also include finding links to the articles from which the Troll Wisdom was plagiarized. Posting links to articles directly contradicting Trolled Wisdom is another; you win if they change the subject or call you names or just disappear.

    My response above was due to seeing comments that seemed to me to actually ask for a troll’s opinion. As if a discussion of the ol’ thesis-antithesis-synthesis type might ensue. Like a Viking’s Super Bowl victory, it’ll never happen.

  21. So what would happen to, say, an Army procurement officer if he directed a no-bid contract to a company he owned?

  22. emery, too much magical thinking on your part – get a grip
    my ownership of1500 shares of apple stock (purch 12/10/1998) does not mean that i “own” the company or even have an influential vote much less a controlling interest. Cheney didn’t “own” the companies in question.

  23. Democrat messaging from the doyenne herself, Felonios Milhous von Pantsuit.

    So in this one interview, Clinton:
    1) Suggested Putin has kompromat on Trump
    2) Wagered that Russians will back Tulsi Gabbard third-party
    3) Said Jill Stein is a “Russian asset”

    But for examples of “the gullible, ill-informed and emotion-driven to believe, without regard to truth, much less punctilious accuracy” read the follow-up comments.

  24. Gotta love Hilliary. Suffice it to say that unless she has some seriously good evidence on that illegal server of hers, those suggesting mental illness on the part of public figures are in general pointing at the wrong person. Here’s a parallel from the Babylon Bee:


    And some how this seems appropriate, too.


  25. Emery;

    Really?!! The Dick Cheney – Halliburton meme has been debunked by informed and rational sources, long ago.

    Of course, the meme is kept alive by useful idiots of the D party, like you, along with your left wing propaganda spewing media masters. You know, the same media that ignores the multiple scams run by the Clintons, actually selling uranium and military secrets to our two biggest enemies to enrich themselves, the current Biden family Ukraine debacle and other well connected party apparatchiks like Mueller and Comey and their no bid contracts to Lockheed.

    You really need to get out of your mommy’s basement more often. There is a real world outside of all of your left wing media lies and ill informed opinions.

  26. Mitch’s post (before the thread jack) makes me wonder: if you were going to design a political system where the rulers use the media to maintain power, what would it look like?

    George Orwell’s famous design in 1984 was Big Brother, always watching, arresting people and subjecting them to brainwashing. Every worker standing in the factory chanting slogans in unison during the mandatory five-minute hate time. That’s not America today. That’s closer to communist Russia in Solzhenitsyn’s time, everything run by the government.

    America’s system is more clever. People still receive the same social conditioning, but it’s more subtle. They still recite the same slogans, but they think it’s their own idea. They still spout absurd falsities but believe they are true, they must be true, and only an idiot would believe otherwise.

    Now for the big question: who designed it, who built it, who is operating it? The Illuminati? Time travelers? Dark Elves? Space aliens? We need an updated 1984 and Mitch needs a plot for a new book. Pitch in, here, people. Who’s got an idea?

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