Tit for Tat

I’m not enamored by the personal attacks that appear to represent the final chapter in the 2008 Presidential campaign. That is not to say I find them irrelevant.

Obama criticizes McCain for an attempt to distract the American people from the economic crisis that his his colleagues in Congress and his pals at Fannie and Freddie (one of which is now his advisor) caused, and that John McCain warned of, and then responds in kind with more of the same.

Also not a fan of tit for tat, but I am amused at the notion that Obama considers this:

The so-called Keating Five scandal involved McCain, who was in his first term in the Senate representing Arizona, and four Democratic senators, none of whom are still in office. They faced accusations of improperly intervening with federal regulators on behalf of Keating, an Arizona businessman and campaign contributor who was chairman of California-based Lincoln Savings and Loan Association.

On par with this:

Bill Ayers, a former member of the Weather Underground, which carried out a series of bombings to protest the Vietnam War in the 1970s.

Once again; This:

Unchecked Greed

With This:

Attempting to Kill People and Destroy Public Property with Explosives

Again, this:

A Banking Scandal

With this:  

Domestic Terrorism

Then again…

The Senate Ethics Committee in 1991 ultimately cleared McCain of wrongdoing, though it said he had “exercised poor judgment.”

As for Ayers…he’s unrepentant.

23 thoughts on “Tit for Tat

  1. Obama criticizes McCain for an attempt to distract the American people from the economic crisis that his his colleagues in Congress and his pals at Fannie and Freddie (one of which is now his advisor) caused,

    Bullsh%t – this was caused by idiotic investment in subprime, by not having adequate decent on-shore investment, and by rampant speculation in the real estate market.

    But no more bullsh*t than conflating a DIRECT and PERSONAL tie into the Keating and S&L scandal, where he showed excessively poor judgment, with the fact that Obama has DENOUNCED Ayers conduct – I guess that’s ‘unrepetent’ – I mean, he should REPENT for knowing Ayers. My God, what has this nation come to?? If you KNOW someone who did something bad in his past, then you are to be eternally damned. Whereas, being involved in something bad, helping to put forward that illegal thing (albeit ignorantly and with exceedingly poor judgment), that’s ok. Ayers was ALSO CLEARED OF ALL CHARGES ROOSH.

    I think your complaint about not liking the negative tone, is a lie.

  2. Pretty sad, wingnut kooks, that you’re now reduced to staking your fortunes on the Ayers connection. Well, keep throwing stuff against the wall and see if it sticks. The clock is running down and Obama’s got the ball.

    Speaking of tit, I noticed Caribou Barbie had to back down from the “palling around with a terrorist” silliness. Adjust your talking points accordingly.

  3. Ain’t ya heerd? This economy is about the election, which McCain doesn’t seem to quite understand. Unfortunate for you hard-right kooks who’d rather be talking about swift boats and former hippies with bombs and whatnot.

    Well, I bet President Bush will fix that economy right up in the next couple of weeks with all that smartness of his. Then you kooks can get back to the personal smears you’re most comfortable with.

    Or maybe not. hahahahahahaha!

  4. Barry Obama, more economically illiterate then Franklin Roosevelt. It’s lilke electing Jimmy Carter during the cold war.

  5. Is it really possible penguinigma doesn’t understand/know that it’s AYERS that’s “unrepentant”?? And that he wasn’t “cleared” of anything …. Hell, in his own words: Guilty as hell, free as a bird……

    Wow

  6. Yeah Peni, stupid investments in sub-prime mortgage based vehicles are the cause of this mess. So if it weren’t for the sub-prime lending, much of what is happening now would not be happening. For once I agree with something you’ve spewed.

    WHO encouraged/mandated the sub-prime lending? Barney Frank-D, Chris Dodd-D, Barack Obama-D first through his “community organizing” with ACORN then as a politician, Maxine Waters-D, F. D. Raines-D, Jamie Gorelick-D, & the list of -D’s goes on & on.

    It was the -R’s calling for regulation of the government coerced (not market based) sub-prime mortgage.

    But hey, keep blindly following your pseudo-religion. I’m sure they’ll custom fit you with your new brown shirt.

  7. Lessee…..McCain was found to have no direct culpability, admits he was wrong to deal with these guys, Obama thinks it’s a bigger thing than to associate with unrepentant terrorists.

    Sorry, liberals, this one SHOULD leave a few marks on B. Hussein here. If Obama can’t figure out his pastor, or Rezko, or Pfleger, or Ayers, or any number of other people, how the **** do you think he’s going to outwit Ahmadinejad when he’s sitting across the table from him? Obama is a seriously bad judge of character.

  8. If Obama can’t figure out his pastor, or Rezko, or Pfleger, or Ayers, or any number of other people, how the **** do you think he’s going to outwit Ahmadinejad when he’s sitting across the table from him? Obama is a seriously bad judge of character.

    He’s from Chicago, BB. Ayers, Rezko, Pfleger, Wright, etc. are all respected citizens and exemplars, indeed they are excellent representatives of what Chicago has to offer. So does Obama. That’s the angle to take. Obama is part of that mise-en-scene, to borrow a term from the world of film. McCain has to ask why we would want to import Chicago politics to Washington.

  9. Kermit,

    Do you mean directly for his campaign, or indirectly through funding of programs he pushed making him look like he’s the liberal’s lord & savior?

  10. The McCain attacks on Obama’s record (or lack of a record) parallel Hillary’s attacks on Obama earlier this year.
    Obviously it didn’t work for Hillary — except among the working-class dems that are sometimes a republican constituency.
    After the Ayers bit has run for a while I bet we’ll see McCain attack Obama for his ties to gun-control groups. I’ve read recently that Obama was legal advisor to an astro-turf gun control group that used strong arm tactics to flood legal journals with anti 2nd amendment articles.

  11. Mr. D; I grew up around Chicago, and good point. OK, so then why do we want to put someone who may willingly hang around people of impeccably bad character for political gain in the White House?

    Good point by Terry as well; Obama was a director of the Joyce Foundation (major contributor to the Brady Campaign and other anti-gun groups) as it pulled some rather obvious quid pro quo arrangements with legal journals to get anti-gun “research” published.

    (on that note, yet another reason to end the estate tax to prevent foundation money from being hijacked to the injury of the public…..)

  12. Legal scholarship supporting gun control = harm to the public, eh Bike Butthead?

    “Us do opposite of all Earthly things! Us hate beauty! Us love ugliness! Is big crime to make anything perfect on Bizarro World!”

  13. Mr. D; I grew up around Chicago, and good point. OK, so then why do we want to put someone who may willingly hang around people of impeccably bad character for political gain in the White House?

    I’m a former Chicagoan, too, BB. And the answer is — we don’t. Well, most of us don’t, at least. Certain denizens of the threads who favor 45EEE brogans, their mileage may vary.

  14. AC, you should look into Obama’s activity with the Joyce foundation before you begin to blather.
    He used foundation money to buy influence in small, poorly financed legal journals with the tit-for-tat that they would then publish anti-2nd amendment articles and not publish pro-2nd amendment articles. The goal was to give gun control advocates the ability to give lots and lots of law journal cites that support their position. This was intended to counter the growing and un-paid-for consensus among constitutional scholars that the 2nd amendment suported an individual right to bear arms.
    Illegal? No. Anti-gun? Yes.
    “Us hate constitution! Us hate freedom! Us need to learn to love the whip! Us hate Bill of Rights on Bizzaro World!”

  15. AC, the point is that given the large sums provided, it wasn’t strictly speaking “scholarship.”

    Come on; aren’t you liberals and Mets fans always complaining about how, say, oil company money makes academic work suspect? So what do we say when a large donation is IMMEDIATELY followed by an all gun control issue?

    Yeah, we’d say that there is something else going on there besides legitimate scholarship, wouldn’t we?

    And yes, this is harming people; Joyce’s support for handgun bans kills hundreds, if not thousands, annually in Chicago, Washington DC, New York City, and elsewhere.

  16. C’mon Bike Bubba. You know that right after the swearing in, Cheney was seen driving a convoy of armored cars heading from the treasury to very rich neighborhoods where he handed out the swag.
    Good thing Cheney packs. There’s some bad neighborhoods between downtown DC and Arlington.

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