It’s not been announced as this is written (3:14PM), but sources tell me that Governor Dayton has vetoed Stand Your Ground.
UPDATE: Every outstate DFLer had best be looking over their political backs.
And Governor Dayton? You can retire that “I have twin .357s” bullshit in your next campaign. Your “I am a Second Amendment supporter” privileges have been revoked.
It is strangely appropriate that the man who shut down his Senate office for fear of talcum powder now insists all Minnesotans should have a legal duty of cowardice. You may NOT stand up for yourself. If threatened, you MUST RUN AWAY.
Brave, brave Sir Robin.
lets see the bill passed the Senate 40-24, we need 44 state senators and 88 state reps to override this veto. do we have the numbers or more importantly how many outstate DFLers value their seats more than said party line? They are screwed either way though, either they vote to uphold the veto and risk getting CRUSHED in november or vote to override and get a primary/endorsement challenger. Kind of like how we took care of the override 6 back in 08
we only need 3 state reps and 4 senators to override this veto, lets get calling people!
You won’t get the veto override votes.
This was bad legislation, apparently originating wit ALEC, and was designed not for 2nd Amendment rights, but for the profit of the ALEC participants. Take a good long look at the economic interests in this fight.
Do your homework better. IF Dayton vetoes the legislation, it’s not for the reasons you believe, and it’s not because he’s anti-gun. It’s because it’s crap legislation.
“This was bad legislation, apparently originating wit ALEC, and was designed not for 2nd Amendment rights, but for the profit of the ALEC participants.”
So, if I am to get this, it means that these “ALEC” people (under the direction of the Rand Corporation and abetted by the Reverse Vampires) operate under the following business model:
Amend law removing dutuy to retreat + ??? = profit
Not seeing it. You’ll have to explain further.
http://www.alec.org/about-alec/
By the way, I’m using the British spelling of “duty” above.
DG,
You won’t get the veto override votes.
Congratulations, DG! You have finally written something about this topic that, while stripped directly from DFL chanting points, has a grain of accuracy to it. There might not be the votes to override, at least not in the Senate (the House would be very close). Not this session.
But next session will be another matter. This vote, along with redistricting, is likely to help peel off a few of those outstate DFL seats. And just like with Concealed Carry, with a few votes here and a few votes there, we’ll prevail.
This was bad legislation,
OK, DG – now, you are seriously trying my patience.
I asked you in an earlier thread – HOW IS IT “BAD LEGISLATION?” You never answered.
So I’ll ask again. HOW. Please give specifics.
I’m asking because I don’t think you know. I think you, like Jim Backstrom and the Strib and Governor Dayton, are reciting chanting points that you really don’t understand, but I’ll give you a shot at proving me wrong.
But on this subject as few others, I almost never am.
apparently originating wit ALEC
Got a cite on that?
, and was designed not for 2nd Amendment rights, but for the profit of the ALEC participants
And now I KNOW you’re parroting. Where is the profit in treating suspects on their own property as innocent until proven guilty?
THERE IS NONE.
Take a good long look at the economic interests in this fight.
No, DG. I have a much better idea. NAME those “interests” in this fight. Now. In your own words.
Do your homework better.
DG, on most subjects that’s a fairly facile little insult; in most areas, I’ve done vastly more homework than you.
On this issue? Seriously?
IF Dayton vetoes the legislation, it’s not for the reasons you believe, and it’s not because he’s anti-gun. It’s because it’s crap legislation.
You keep saying that.
For the second comment in a row, WHY? In your own words, not with a link to another lefty propaganda site that gives the same argument I and others have factually refuted over and over and over again for twenty years!
This precise legislation has been passed in many states, DG. LIke Concealed Carry – more “Crap Legislation”, according to the left of ten years ago – it’s been a resounding success.
Anyway – answer my questions, or kindly stop wasting everyone’s time.
Ah, Doggy strikes again, proving that like most left wing nut libturd “journalistas” and bloggers, she has no original thoughts and has to parrot the chanting points put out by her masters at the DFL Ministry of Propaganda.
Great opportunity for an override, and I wouldn’t expect Dayton to put up much of a fuss about it. This is one of those issues where an opponent of it can become a proponent without much risk/distress, and I would expect that to happen. Meanwhile I can work in my garage without fear. The only time I have been surprised in my garage I had one of the doors opened, working on a mower, and I was startled by my now county sheriff, who was campaigning door-to-door. I did have a gun nearby.
Definitely should attempt to override. Even if not successful, will get the Senators and Reps on record one more time. Which will either make it more difficult for them come November, or might get it passed now.
DG,
I’d appreciate it if you answered the following questions before commenting further on anything else on this site:
– How, in terms of actual policy, preferably as shown in the experiences of other jurisdictions who’ve passed such laws, is this “crap legislation?”
– You claimed ALEC was involved. Leaving aside that “ALEC” is a boogeyman that the left is chanting about, please show us – with an actual cite – where “ALEC” has been involved in Second Amendment issues. At all. Ever. (We’ll ignore the question “and why would it, or ALEC itself, be a bad thing” for now).
– Where is the “profit” in adding a presumption of innocence and eliminating duty to retreat, as Foot asked.
Three simple questions. Answer them, if you can, and by all means sans the ofay little insults like “Do your homework”, as clearly on this issue more than most you are not qualified to condescend.
I’d appreciate prompt answers. Thanks.
Scaife, Koch, ALEC… there is never a shortage of boogeymen in libturds expansive closet.
I’m sure everything that Dog Gone doesn’t understand is assumed to operate on the Underwear Gnomes business model.
Funny how the guy who has a taxpayer-funded, armed State Patrol escort everywhere he goes feels he can tell the law-abiding that they have to run away.
Typical liberal — security for me but not for thee. We won’t forget.
“OK, DG – now, you are seriously trying my patience. I asked you in an earlier thread – HOW IS IT “BAD LEGISLATION?” You never answered.”
It appears to be at heart DG is really a coward, not unlike our “distinguished” Gov.
anyone taking bets on when he goes off the rails again and we end up with guv Prettnor-Solon?
“anyone taking bets on when he goes off the rails again and we end up with guv Prettnor-Solon?”
Is she still around? Why aren’t there any quotes from her? Why is the local lefty media not following her around, making her out to be another great public official? Obviously, she is about as relevant as one of Sheep Doggy’s comments.
Ben, I have to admit that I lost that bet by 6 months at least. I never thought he would make it this long.
Loren, same. I thought he wouldn’t even make it to Halloween last year. Still its like watching a NASCAR race just in the hope you will see a firey crash. Odds are it will happen but not everytime and you don’t know when or where on the track.
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