In the wake of last Tuesday’s Crow Wing County Commission meeting, the Brainerd Dispatch has the latest on the story.
If you recall the video I ran yesterday, showing Monty Jensen, Ron Kaus and Al and Jim Stene speaking in front of the Commission, you’ll remember the powerful allegation that the staff at the group home (run by the Clark Lake group of group homes) had fraudulently gotten Jim Stene to vote; Stene himself – who suffered serious brain injuries in a near-drowning incident when he was 12 -alleged that the group home staff had coached his vote.
County Attorney Ryan was un-thrilled by this:
At the Tuesday meeting, Ryan took issue with Stene’s statements, saying Stene misrepresented their conversations when speaking to the board.
Ryan said when he sat down and spoke to James “he personally informed me he did want to vote not that someone made him to vote. …
Which will be an interesting he-said/he-said to work through.
But if – as the Minnesota Freedom Council has alleged – Jim Stene has been judged mentally incompetent to vote, and his name is on the absentee voter roll, then there’s a legal issue right there.
And even County Attorney Ryan agrees there’s some smoke (I’ll add emphasis):
“I think it’s a bad thing to come in and try to create an issue in an open forum setting and when it will be televised,” Ryan said. “There currently is an investigation pending into the exploitation of a vulnerable adult.”
In December, Ryan reported his office did not find evidence to substantiate a Crow Wing Township resident’s claim of voter fraud. On Nov. 1, Montgomery Jensen of Crow Wing Township filed a complaint with Ryan’s office.
I’m awaiting an update on when Fox will broadcast Eric Shawn’s report on the voter fraud allegations.
Ryan was double-plus unthrilled. Crow Wing county has always been at war with leftist vote thieves.
And your source Mitch for the extent of his injuries is?
Or that he is incompetent to vote, since it does appear from what Foot found that his actual capacities and health were professionally determined, and we have not any of us found a qualified assessment that he is not properly capable of voting or that he had his voting rights revoked.
At least you are no longer running with the premise that people who have guardians are not eligible to vote.
“In Minnesota, only a court may decide whether an individual is competent to vote.
No one else may make this decision, including spouses, children, caregivers, doctors, or nurses, even if they personally are convinced that the individual is not competent to vote. Individuals who are under guardianship, conservatorship or for whom someone else has power of attorney retain their right to vote unless it is specifically revoked by a court (Minnesota Statutes, section 524.5-313 (c) (8)). “
Show me this man was had his right to vote revoked.
Or that his father is his legal guardian, with access to that information, or the legal right to speak and act on his behalf? No, you can’t.
You know facts – NOT like the unfounded casual observation of Monty Jensen, who was not even THERE at the time any disabled voters were assisted to vote.
Do you even know what day Mr. Stene voted, btw?
And Swiftee – your basis for the claim that Crow Wing County has always been at war with leftist vote thieves is based on what (other than your ugly ideology)? There is no evidence anywhere for that, not from any authority other than you pulled it out of your tush.
Mr. Ryan, the county attorney, who is apparently well qualified and well regarded, is pretty clear that Mr. Stene does not support his own father’s version of events – events for which his father was also not present – like Jensen.
Your videos or any of your other claims don’t change that, Mitch, just like they don’t put Jensen at the courthouse at the time the disabled people in question voted.
You are aware I hope Swiftee that the only fraudulent vote found in the Franken / Coleman election was by a Republican voting for Coleman? You might want to acquire a more factual basis for who you call “vote thieves”.
You have NOTHING, just unsupported heresay. This is as weak as the claims about the Alzheimer patient who had union caretakers vote for her (apparently not), or the Cincinnati ice cream bribe that wasn’t true, or the Dinkytown voter fraud that was another hoax, or the anti-union claims about the snow plow slowdown that wasn’t true either.
FACTS. Present facts, not just ugly rumors, and nasty accusations that have no merit.
I’m sure she already ran off to her Penisblog, never to return to this thread, but I will give it a shot regardless:
“other than your ugly ideology”
“FACTS. Present facts, not just ugly rumors, and nasty accusations that have no merit.”
I suggest you start leading by example, DeeGee.
…. …. ….
DeeGee, are you actually claiming there was “only” one fraudulent vote in the Franken / Coleman election?
DeeGee, how many more votes were cast than voters, as documented by each voter’s signature?
Dog Gone said:
“Present facts, not just ugly rumors, and nasty accusations that have no merit.”
Would not the world be a wondrous place if we all took our own advice.
DG said: “Do you even know what day Mr. Stene voted, btw?”
Do you? If so, present your evidence.
This habit of constructing strawmen for others to bat down is aggravating.
From the linked article:
“Ryan said what Jensen observed was somewhat substantiated but he didn’t have evidence beyond a reasonable doubt of a crime. “
“Present facts, not just ugly rumors, and nasty accusations that have no merit.”
Er, DG? Everything in this piece is from the Brainerd Dispatch.
Facts? DG don’t need no stinkin’ facts.
So all you need to do to get Dog Bone to come out of hiding is mention “Crow Wing County?” Duly noted!
Er, DG? Everything in this piece is from the Brainerd Dispatch.
*Fleen*!
Cut Doggie some slack. She’s used to dealing in “ugly rumors, and nasty accusations”. That’s the high school mentality of your average liberal. Critical thought? Not so much.
I thought we were a republic and that the courts get there legitimacy from the People. Guess I was wrong, it’s the other way ’round.
The court system, based on qualified professionals evaluations say this man is qualified to vote if he wants to do so, even though he has a guardian.
Contrary to what Foot claimed earlier.
James Stene has told the CONSERVATIVE county attorney, Don Ryan, AND not one but two investigators, AND multiple reporters he wanted to vote, and that his vote was properly recorded by the person who HE chose to assist him. Not only in the 2010 election – he has been a regular voter for years now, without anyone challenging that right before.
Much less tow men, NEITHER of whom were apparently actually present to witness the voting of these disabled voters. Jensen wasn’t – he didn’t get there by his own account until more than an hour later, and couldn’t describe correctly the number of voters or who helped them. Nor was this disabled man’s father, who appears to have bullied him into making this board of commissioners appearance.
It is the out of state, out of touch father who appears to be the law breaker here:
In Minnesota, only a court may decide whether an individual is competent to vote.
No one else may make this decision, including spouses, children, caregivers, doctors, or nurses, even if they personally are convinced that the individual is not competent to vote. Individuals who are under guardianship, conservatorship or for whom someone else has power of attorney retain their right to vote unless it is specifically revoked by a court (Minnesota Statutes, section 524.5-313 (c) (8)).
That would appear to clearly include James Stene’s FATHER. There is a legal process to address the father’s concerns, and he has not taken it over a period of YEARS. This man has been a legal voter for the past 18 years, and has been a regular voter in prior elections during that time, without anyone finding cause for objection.
So an objection now sure seems damned specious, particularly since it is not backed up by ANYTHING, including his son’s statements to many many people – the County Attorney, investigators, reporters….
Unless you have some facts that show that James Stene has his voting rights revoked? NO? Crickets, as dear KR likes to write…
and no one who actually witnessed the voting – UNLIKE Jensen – who confirms the accusations, including his own son. You got nothin’.
A big goose egg. Bupkiss.
Dog Gone, unless you are willing to make the argument that the law is never wrong and the courts never make mistakes your argument is going exactly nowhere.
You have a demonstrated tendency to believe only that evidence which conforms to your ideologically driven prejudices.
So, in the legal opinion of Dog Gone, a Minnesota statute trumps the Minnesota constitution. Well kudos to her, and a small award for participation!
So why would CWCA Don Ryan be so defensive? He attacked a vulnerable adult Stene and also Jensen as “misrepresenting” what was said in his office? My advise is never go to Ryan’s office without a recording device. My experience tells me that something is wrong with Ryans investigation here. James Stene said someone “made him vote” and “filled out his ballot”. Which is criminal on two counts. It would be easy to prove. Give James Stene a ballot and ask him to fill it out. If he can’t Ryan is a liar and the Clark Lake Homes crew.
Ryan is classless for calling a vulnerable adult a liar in a public meeting. I think this is the first time I have witnessed this. Then to watch some heartless lib like Dog Gone defend such things speaks volumes about what they are about obviously no the truth here.
Why have the simplest things not been done here? COVER-UP! This needs a independent prosecutor!
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