With This Much Respect For The Law And Democracy…

…then Al Quaeda is really redundent.  The Ohio Democrat Party, with the full apparent connivance of the public school system, is doing the job for them:

Three van loads of Hughes High students were taken last week – during school hours – to vote and given sample ballots only for Democratic candidates and then taken for ice cream, a Monday lawsuit alleges.

As Hugh Hewitt says, if it’s not close, they can’t cheat.

I think he was too sanguine, frankly.

11 thoughts on “With This Much Respect For The Law And Democracy…

  1. Later in the article it notes that the school district had employees “electioneering” in the building in 2002 and the same watchdog group filed suit against them then.
    Get used to more and more of this nonsense as more gov’t employee’s become unionized. Speaking of which – the kids are out of school tomorrow and Friday so the MEA can have their DFL rally.

  2. If it is not close, they can’t cheat?

    You DO know that school children can’t vote in this election, right? Or are you suggesting they are going to pretend to be legal voters, dressing up like Halloween, and going to the polls?

    I don’t approve of politicking in schools — from either side — for the record.

    But this is a LONG way from stealing an election. Not that a factual basis for his statements on this subject is something I would expect from Hugh Hewitt (or apparently you, Mitch either).

    There has never ever ever been a good case made for theft of an election by Democrats. Period. The crime of voting illegally is so rare as to be non-existant – as established in, for example, Supreme Court challenges to laws requiring more stringent ID were necessary because of voter fraud – the alleged voter fraud could not be demonstrated to have occurred at all.

    But Republicans PREVENTING Democrats LEGALLY voting has been established, supproted by ample legal proof, in court – including courts considered conservative-leaning, btw.

    Minnesota Majority does not reflect any majority whatsoever, they are a bunch of partisan hacks. Their methodolgy is crap, and they have not PROOVEN widespread voter fraud, only made claims about ‘possible’ voter fraud by Democrats. A group your candidate Emmer supports – and shouldn’t, if he wants respect for his judgement, or his intention to govern if he wins on behalf of ALL Minnesotans, not just his narrow base.

    Beyond that, they have utterly, completely, totally failed to demonstrate any organized effort by anyone – not a single case – where one person, much less an entire party, induced someone intentionally to vote illegally for a specific candidate.

    And without both far better proof in the face of evidence to the contrary
    1. that there had been sufficiently widespread illegal voting to alter an election AND

    2. without evidence that those votes actually WERE votes for democrats AND

    3. (perhaps the most important point of all) without PROOF that any individuals acting on behalf of the Democratic party offered inducements or persuasion to disenfranchised individuals to get them to vote

    this is a completely FALSE, stupid, ill-founded-in-fact, one that is repeated over and over and over again by Republicans and other conservatives.

    It is a lie, a base lie, a horrible lie, which wrongly challenges the validity of our election system and the legitimacy of the outcomes — apparently by sore losers who are not willing to fairly participate in the election process. Shame on you Mitch for being a party to that.

    There have been some bad things this election cycle (on both sides) but THIS claim, along with the ads, in Spanish and English, being run by GOP affiliated sponsers attempting to discourage Latinos from voting are among the most offensive, the most antithetical to our nation’s principles.

    I am proud that Minnesota consistently has one of the highest election turnouts. That participation in our previous elections HAS been legal, and we need more people participating in our government, not less, damn it.

    On the up side, I’ve been offered tickets to seating in the front rows of the Obama rally this Saturday; should be fun. I’ve never seen him in person before.

  3. Ummmm, Dog You DO know that school children can’t vote in this election, right?

    Did you notice the part where is clearly stated “Three van loads of Hughes High students”? High school? As in quite possibly over the age of 18? That’s the age of suffrage, Dog. You might want to think a bit harder if you expect people to get through more than the first two sentences of your comment.
    Seriously.

  4. Love how DG set’s goalposts that are impossible to hit….

    without evidence that those votes actually WERE votes for democrats AND

    It is a secret ballot. So that evidence is a bit hard to produce. At least legally.

    And we should ignore everything, such as only democratic sample ballots being given, ice cream being purchased afterwards. It is sad that the perceived price of votes of high schoolers is an ice cream cone. You would think they would place a higher value on it.

    And DG, if you don’t think that the intention was to purchase votes, you probably think Teddy Kennedy didn’t support No Child Left Behind. Oh, that’s right, you do think that.

    PT Barnum was never so correct.

  5. Also funny how DG claims Mitch as a friend, but frequently accuses him of telling falsehoods on this blog. Seems like strange behavior from a friend.

  6. I was in Atlanta one time and tried to order a beer at lunch. The waitress told me that there was an election that day and by law they couldn’t sell alcohol while the polls were open so as to keep unscrupulous types from bribing winos for votes. Perhaps the ban should extend to ice cream?

  7. Loren;

    Doggy is just following her far left wing position. She is an expert because her mentors, Joe Biteme and Baraaack Obumbler showed her how to obfuscate. Just like all of those “thousands of jobs created or saved” that they claimed, knowing that a negative can’t be PROVEN.

    She was already schooled on this topic, yet she keeps going back to the well. There are indictments, convictions, comparisons of voter records vs registrations, etc; yet she still doesn’t believe it, because God forbid her dementia would go away! If there were nothing to these bogus claims, as she calls them, I doubt that there would have been any action by the FBI. Further, when greater minds than hers, including a couple of liberal professors of mathematics at MIT, examined the swing in those mysteriously appearing votes, they deemed it virtually impossible that NONE of those votes were for Coleman.

    “I am proud that Minnesota consistently has one of the highest election turnouts. That participation in our previous elections HAS been legal, and we need more people participating in our government, not less, damn it.”

    (Yes, by all means, dead people and people that use a vacant lot as their address should still be allowed to vote, as long AS IT’S FOR A DEMONRAT!)

    “On the up side, I’ve been offered tickets to seating in the front rows of the Obama rally this Saturday; should be fun. I’ve never seen him in person before.”

    (Yup, same deal as the last time he was here polluting our air, wasting fuel and our tax money and dumping tons of carbon into the air to get here, then fill the arena only with drooling sycophants that voted for him. Nice double standard there Doggy!)

    Sheesh, Doggy! Even in your pink sky world, how do you even function without someone telling you what to do?

  8. Kermit nailed it. Apparently DG wrote something past “school children can’t vote”, but I wouldn’t know because once I read that idiocy, I moved on.

    Dog Gone – Do YOU know what historic event happended in 1773? Many of our Liberal betters don’t.

  9. Seflores – were you referring to the Boston Tea Party, December 16th 1773? I’ll compare knowledge of history with you anytime.

    Loren wrote “It is a secret ballot. So that evidence is a bit hard to produce. At least legally.” Loren, no one has produced proof of ANY of the three criteria I listed, just highly partisan speculation.

    Difficult, but not impossible to prove IF – HUGE IF – you can also prove that someone on behalf of Democrats tried to persuade people to vote for their party or candidates. I’m not aware of a single instance where that has been demonstrated – are you?

    Can you show me a single case where even one person (much less multiple) tried to persuade, induce, or bribe another to vote illegally? Is it plausible to believe that EVERY attempt would be successful? If someone were doing this, I find it far more plausible that some people would say no.

    Can you show me an example of multiple people standing in line to vote illegally, knowing that voting records are cross-checked fairly effectively, risking a felony conviction if caught….because……..why? The thrill of voting? I belive it is tremendously important, but I don’t know anyone who thinks voting is some sort of thrill ride, wild whooping fun. Every source I can find indicated that this is a rare crime, unlike more common crimes which have far clearer and more compelling motivations – like greed, or revenge, for example. While voting equates to people motivated by involvement with and concern for their communities — unklike criminals.

    And Loren, whether you believe it or not, yes, Mitch is a friend. When I challenge him on anything here, it is as a friend, the written equivalent of someone speaking quietly and smiling, not coming after him with words like knives – as happens with other people, sometimes, in the blogosphere.

    Mitch has repeated more than once here his accusation that Democrats have stolen or tried to steal elections. NOT a specific individual or group of individuals within the Democratic party – just vague unknown nameless, faceless Democrats. He has tarred with a far too broad brush an entire party of people who do not deserve it. And he has shown NOT ONE SHRED of proof that anyone has in fact done this, from any party, on behalf of any party. If this were happening, there would be a money trail, there would be specific people being identified; there would be a pattern of voter irregularities. There are NOT.

    Mitch is expecting people to agree with him that anyone who supports an opposing party is willingly immoral, perfectly willing to behave illegally. THAT is WRONG. He is casually challenging the legitimacy, the validity our entire election system without factual justification. I object to those unfounded accusations, adamantly – and so should you -without someone producing proof.

    I respect Mitch enough to have fairly extensively examined such claims, not only the Minnesota claims, but the incidence of claims across the country. Why? Because this is a recurring accusation from Republicans and other conservatives, without justification. It is not specific to Minnesota or to this or the last election.

    And I looked at a variety of sources – not partisan claims – to evaluate the specific claims by Minnesota Majority and the other group putting up signs at bus stops. This I think is a good example of what I found, consistently, when I looked at claims of voter fraud and election manipulation:

    http://electionlawblog.org/archives/016434.html.

    I respect Mitch’s character, I delight in how his mind works; I believe him to be a fair and honorable man. I am tremendously grateful that he has been a resource and mentor in my blogging efforts, most recently advising me about a syndication offer. He has always been there for me when I have had a question or needed help. And I am fiercely loyal to him as a friend. That doesn’t require me to agree with him on any specific topic, or even generally. This…this is a subject on which I feel a bit more fiercely than other subjects. Mitch has made, without solid foundation, an accusation, a very serious accusation. I want him to back it up……..or back down from it.

    Frankly, I will be surprised if he is willing to do the extensive research in backing up this claim that I did before challenging it.

    Something to consider Mitchketeers – how fact based ARE your opinions? Because I think you are far to quick to believe what affirms what you want to believe, and not nearly as skeptical as you should be. You were similarly far too quick to believe James O’Keefe’s baloney about ACORN, which was proven to be deceptive and not accurate. And I have yet to see one of you that bothered to learn facts about ACORN – that they had a solid track record of helping abused women, including helping women who wanted to get out of prostitution, working with shelters and groups which specialized in that kind of help; that they had a solid track record of helping immigrants to become legal, reducing the number of illegal immigrants; and that they had a solid set of programs to help children.

    You were – in some cases still are – so eager to condemn an organization that you completely ignored all of their success in your rush to hate them and condemn them. No one in ACORN, desptie O’Keefe’s lies, tried to help anyone launder money, or aid in illegal alien child prostitution, much less all of them as claimed. But when they folded up operations, cleaning up communities which included ending crime like prostitution, diminished the resources for those communities. Now there is a greater chance of child prostitution, not less; a greater chance of other illegal activity, not less, in the communities previously served by ACORN. Just watching a doctored video is not proof, and no one should accept it as such.

  10. “Seflores – were you referring to the Boston Tea Party, December 16th 1773?” In fact I was. You are as knowledgeable as Sarah Palin. You and Gov. Palin are more knowledgeable than: Markos “Kos” Moulitsas and Gwen Ifill. So consider yourself in good company.

    “I’ll compare knowledge of history with you anytime.” Sounds like a threat. Since you stopped filling the blog with “Penigma’s This Day in History” last month, I am now at a distinct disadvantage.

    PS: “Can you show me a single case where even one person (much less multiple) tried to persuade, induce, or bribe another to vote illegally? Is it plausible to believe that EVERY attempt would be successful?”

    If it has not happended or has been mostly or completely unsuccessful, why would there be laws against it?
    Why are there laws or at least guidelines that I can’t wear my candidates button on my shirt when I go into the polling place?
    Why do people promoting a certain candidate or issue have to stay a certain proscribed distance from the polling place?

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