{"id":68720,"date":"2018-12-05T11:00:04","date_gmt":"2018-12-05T17:00:04","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/?p=68720"},"modified":"2018-12-05T19:09:58","modified_gmt":"2018-12-06T01:09:58","slug":"lie-first-lie-always-nancy-nord-bences-unbroken-streak","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/?p=68720","title":{"rendered":"Lie First, Lie Always:  Nancy Nord Bence&#8217;s Unbroken Streak!"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>It&#8217;s not quite a &#8220;Berg&#8217;s Law&#8221;, since it only pertains to a few groups, most particularly &#8220;Protect&#8221; Minnesota &#8211; the voice of the gun control movement in Minnesota &#8211; but it&#8217;s getting close.<\/p>\n<p>Let be say this as clearly and unequivocally as I can:<\/p>\n<p><strong>&#8220;Protect&#8221; Minnesota has never made a single statement about guns, gun violence, gun laws, the 2nd Amendment, or law-abiding gun owners that is simultaneously substantial, original and true [1].\u00a0\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Not one.\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Doesn&#8217;t matter if it was Heather Martens, or Nancy Nord Bence, or any of their constantly-rotating stream of lobbyists, lieutenants and creepy hangers-on; it&#8217;s still true.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Not one single statement that is simultaneously substantial, original and true.\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Case in point:\u00a0 their &#8220;coverage&#8221; of the episode a few weeks ago where a (WHITE!\u00a0 MIDDLE AGED!) Eden Prairie man got into a scuffle with a bunch of reportedly Somali teens at a gas station.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-68719 alignleft\" src=\"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/img_2619-1.jpg\" width=\"309\" height=\"662\" \/><\/p>\n<p>This was their first response to the story, going back a bit.<\/p>\n<p>Now, I&#8217;ve been watching the story as well.\u00a0 We don&#8217;t know much about the story, but we know a few things:<\/p>\n<p>First &#8211; the man had no Minnesota carry permit.\u00a0 \u00a0Thank goodness.<\/p>\n<p>Second &#8211; while the laws about\u00a0<em>displaying\u00a0<\/em>and\u00a0<em>threatening the use\u00a0<\/em>of lethal force are even more vague in Minnesota than the ones about the\u00a0<em>use\u00a0<\/em>of lethal force, it is under some circumstances legal to &#8220;brandish&#8221; a firearm to make a potential threat go away.\u00a0 \u00a0 The law &#8211; a mixture of vague statute and very specific case law &#8211; is muddled and specific; while the juridprudence on the subject might not be designed to be a transfer of wealth from taxpayers to prosecutors, and from people to defense attorneys &#8211; but if they had set out to design such a system, it wouldn&#8217;t look a lot different.<\/p>\n<p>Third\u00a0&#8211; for purposes of my point, the actual behavior of the &#8220;Somali teens&#8221; doesn&#8217;t matter; they may have been utterly blameless (although groups of teenagers, especially with adolescent boys showing out for the girls, are pretty much always small, demented mobs no matter their ethnicity; given that the news reports mention <em>nothing\u00a0<\/em>about their behavior, I&#8217;m doing to assume there&#8217;s something to hide).\u00a0 So with that said &#8211; <a href=\"https:\/\/www.msn.com\/en-us\/news\/us\/lawyer-says-man-accused-in-mcdonald%E2%80%99s-incident-%E2%80%98acted-in-self-defense%E2%80%99\/vi-BBQvGMS\">the video from Channel 4\u00a0<\/a><em>seems\u00a0<\/em>to show that the man tried to retreat as the group of &#8220;teenagers&#8221; harried him.<\/p>\n<p>Which means it&#8217;s not a &#8220;Stand Your Ground&#8221; case.<\/p>\n<p>The guy may or may not have\u00a0<em>reasonably\u00a0<\/em>feared for his life and safety, thus possibly justifying brandishing a firearm &#8211; that, it seems, will be decided at trial.<\/p>\n<p>Someone needs to tell the howler monkey &#8211; likely the gaffe-prone, not-especially-fact-obsessed Nord Bence:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/img_2619-1.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft wp-image-68719\" src=\"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/img_2619-1-473x1024.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"336\" height=\"716\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>As usual when &#8220;P&#8221; M makes a statement?\u00a0 \u00a0No.\u00a0 This case wouldn&#8217;t be any different at all.<\/p>\n<p>Why?<\/p>\n<p>As we&#8217;ve pointed out countless times on this blog, there are\u00a0<em>four criteria\u00a0<\/em>you need to meet under current Minnesota law to use lethal force in self-defense; you have to\u00a0<em>reasonably\u00a0\u00a0<\/em>fear immediate death or great bodily harm, you can&#8217;t be the aggressor, you can only use the force needed to end the threat, and you have a duty to make a reasonable effort to retreat.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Stand your ground&#8221; merely removes that last clause\u00a0<em>when you are anyplace you have a legal right to be<\/em>.\u00a0 Including McDonalds.<\/p>\n<p>It doesn&#8217;t remove the other three criteria!<\/p>\n<p>Was he in immediate life-threatening danger?\u00a0 \u00a0 Was he the aggressor?\u00a0 That&#8217;ll be decided at trial.<\/p>\n<p>But &#8211; let me find the &#8220;Bold&#8221; button for emphasis:<\/p>\n<p><strong>He retreated!\u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0<\/strong>He backed away from the &#8220;teens&#8221;!\u00a0 \u00a0Was it a &#8220;reasonable&#8221; effort to do so?\u00a0 We&#8217;ll see what the jury decides.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/01\/BenceBustedAgain.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-61748 alignright\" src=\"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/01\/BenceBustedAgain.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"156\" height=\"199\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>But &#8220;Stand Your Ground&#8221; was not, and would never be, an issue in this case.<\/p>\n<p>And if you get your information from &#8220;Protect&#8221; Minnesota, about this or any other case, you are not only less informed, but you&#8217;re participating in making our society dumber on this issue.<\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p>[1] You may find statements that fit two out of three criteria &#8211; things that are true and original but insubstantial; you can find many that are original and substantial but patently false.\u00a0 \u00a0But not one single statement they or their minions with their millions have made fits all three.\u00a0 Zero.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>It&#8217;s not quite a &#8220;Berg&#8217;s Law&#8221;, since it only pertains to a few groups, most particularly &#8220;Protect&#8221; Minnesota &#8211; the voice of the gun control movement in Minnesota &#8211; but it&#8217;s getting close. Let be say this as clearly and unequivocally as I can: &#8220;Protect&#8221; Minnesota has never made a single statement about guns, gun [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[340,22],"tags":[274,359],"class_list":["post-68720","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-lie-first","category-victim-disarmament","tag-protectmn","tag-rev-nancy-nord-bence"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/68720","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=68720"}],"version-history":[{"count":4,"href":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/68720\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":68728,"href":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/68720\/revisions\/68728"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=68720"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=68720"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=68720"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}