{"id":5477,"date":"2009-09-29T07:30:06","date_gmt":"2009-09-29T12:30:06","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/?p=5477"},"modified":"2009-09-29T10:20:01","modified_gmt":"2009-09-29T15:20:01","slug":"want-to-debate-bring-facts-next-time-hindsight-from-minnesota-2020","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/?p=5477","title":{"rendered":"Want To Debate?  Think Big!"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I&#8217;m not going to claim to be an expert on taxes or state funding.\u00a0 Far, far from it.\u00a0 I certainly don&#8217;t have the depth of knowledge or research that, say the folks at MN2020 have on the subject.<\/p>\n<p><em>This <\/em>subject, anyway.\u00a0 (Charter schools?\u00a0 <a href=\"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/?cat=78\">They&#8217;re another story completely<\/a>).<\/p>\n<p>Anyway &#8211; MN2020&#8217;s Jeff Van Wychen <a href=\"http:\/\/www.mn2020hindsight.org\/?p=2789\">responded to my critique<\/a> of MN2020&#8217;s take on Local Government Aid last week.\u00a0 And he made a few valid enough points; my interest in the subject (as opposed to, say that of <a href=\"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/?cat=78\">charter schools<\/a>) <em>is<\/em>, admittedly, more polemical than academic.\u00a0 I claim no special expertise&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>&#8230;which doesn&#8217;t take away from the overriding points; Minnesotans are taxed too much; our government spends too much; the system we have enables units of government to conceal and dilute that spending.\u00a0 In some cases, that&#8217;s acceptable and even advisable.\u00a0 In others?\u00a0 Not so much.<\/p>\n<p>Although Van Wychen&#8217;s reliance on the academic leads him down some strange corridors:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Mitch\u2019s primary gripe is against the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.mnhs.org\/library\/tips\/history_topics\/18public.html\" target=\"_blank\">Minnesota Miracle<\/a>, a major restructuring of the state-local fiscal relationship enacted in 1971.\u00a0 \u00a0In his screed against the Minnesota Miracle, Mitch blames it on \u201cgigantistic DFLers and a Republican minority.\u201d\u00a0 In fact, Republicans held a majority in both the Minnesota House and Senate when LGA and the Minnesota Miracle were enacted.\u00a0 Since 1971, many GOP state lawmakers have fought to preserve these reforms.\u00a0 In short, the fingerprints on the Minnesota Miracle and LGA are bi-partisan.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Of course, the GOP &#8211; the &#8220;IR&#8221; through most of those years &#8211; was pretty indistinguishable from the DFL.\u00a0 Remember &#8211; the &#8220;Reagan Revolution&#8221; came to Minnesota, or at least the MNGOP, almost two decades late.\u00a0 &#8220;Limited government&#8221; was something to which the &#8220;IR&#8221; of Dave Durenberger and Arne Carlson paid unconvincing lip service, if any service at all.<\/p>\n<p>So Van Wychen&#8217;s point is both correct, and doesn&#8217;t change mine at all; the &#8220;IR&#8221; that helped bring us the &#8220;Minnesota Miracle&#8221; practiced the same kind of &#8220;bipartisanship&#8221; the DFL <em>still <\/em>wants from Republicans; the kind where you go along with everything the DFL wants.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Mitch fails to mention an important fact about the Minnesota Miracle.\u00a0 While it is certainly true that the Minnesota Miracle included a large increase in state revenue to local communities, the state also took local governments\u2019 ability to levy sales taxes and placed limits on their ability to levy property taxes.\u00a0 In short, the redistribution of resources that Mitch whines about was a mixed blessing for local governments.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>What Jeff &#8220;fails to mention&#8221; &#8211; indeed, what Jeff &#8220;whines about&#8221; (<em>Note to Mr. Van Wychen &#8211; down this road leads madness.\u00a0 Turn around &#8211; Ed.<\/em>) is that I didn&#8217;t &#8220;fail to mention it&#8221;, at least indirectly.<\/p>\n<p>My claim &#8211; my big complaint about how the &#8220;Minnesota Miracle&#8221; and its detritus have manifested themselves over the past couple of decades &#8211; has been that it has been a shell game, allowing cities to conceal their spending by shuffling it up to the state level.<\/p>\n<p>So if the &#8220;Blessings&#8221; were &#8220;mixed&#8221;, it was in that if you were a government that needed to spend more money than it had (say, tiny towns outstate with no tax base but serious improvement needs), or just wanted to (Minneapolis, Saint Paul and Duluth), it allowed you to detach that spending from your taxation, spreading the pain and attendant desire for accountability far afield. \u00a0 In exchange, the cities lost <em>some <\/em>ability to levy <em>some <\/em>local taxes &#8211; meaning they had to get creative about finding new ones.\u00a0 And local governments are boundlessly creative at that.<\/p>\n<p>But I digress.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Mitch disputes the fact that CPA cuts have been disproportionate.\u00a0 During the entire span of the Pawlenty administration, real per capita state general fund spending is projected to decline by 16.9 percent.\u00a0 (This decline is somewhat overstated due to the fact that some of the cut in state spending is being shifted or replaced by federal dollars.)\u00a0 After the July unallotments, the cut in real per capita CPA over the same period is 51.4 percent\u2014three times greater than the cut to the state general fund.\u00a0 Only the ill-informed or the innumerate would dispute the fact that the cut to CPA has been disproportionate.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Ill-informed?\u00a0 Perhaps.\u00a0 Innumerate?\u00a0 5 out of 4 times.<\/p>\n<p>Disproportionate?\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 And justifiably so.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Mitch appears to assume that county spending is driven entirely by local decisions.\u00a0 Not so.\u00a0 In addition to human service and corrections costs, counties must also implement state mandates in the areas of solid waste management and recycling, wetland mitigation, and burial of indigents, to name a few.\u00a0 Given that state government imposes substantial costs on counties, it is incumbent on the state to provide the dollars to help pay for these costs.<\/p>\n<p>Mitch\u2019s defense of Pawlenty\u2019s aid cuts would have some intellectual credibility if he was also calling for the elimination of state mandates on counties.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>And Mr. Van Wychen&#8217;s call for my intellectual credibility would be more intellectually credible if he&#8217;d broken out how much of this local and county spending goes to social engineering projects&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>No, Mr. Van Wychen, I&#8217;m all for rationalizing of state mandates on the counties.\u00a0 Can&#8217;t say as it comes up at parties much, but since you bring it up, let&#8217;s go find that list and start slashing.<\/p>\n<p>Deal?<\/p>\n<p>Anyway, my complaints about the LGA system really break down to two things:<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li>LGA is part of a complex shell game that diffuses accountability for local government spending, enabling local and county governments to hide their spending.<\/li>\n<li>Timing notwithstanding, its part of the noxious Minnesota media myth about the &#8220;Minnesota Miracle&#8221;, which has become a rhetorical pipe-wrench that the &#8220;Happy To Pay For A Better Minnesota&#8221; crowd trots out to try to flog the myth that Minnesota <em>isn&#8217;t <\/em>over-taxed.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p>Van Wychen:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>However, Mitch\u2019s blog is silent on this subject.\u00a0 To defend the massive cuts in state aid without also noting the role of state decisions in driving county costs is irresponsible.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>[Closed-Circuit to audience:\u00a0 Do you feel like you&#8217;re in a high school debate class?]<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Rather than reducing state mandates, more costs have been shifted on to counties during the tenure of the Pawlenty administration.\u00a0 For example, additional medical assistance and felony offender incarceration costs have been dumped on counties. This was done because it was easier for state leaders to shift their budget problems to counties rather than deal with them responsibly by increasing state taxes or by making deeper cuts to state spending.\u00a0 Mitch might want to note these costs shifts the next time he chooses to preach about \u201caccountability.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Duly noted!<\/p>\n<p>Of course, Jeff might want to check into the root causes for all of this corrections and social spending &#8211; which is a larger subject that I <em>also <\/em>didn&#8217;t address, which I&#8217;m sure is also irresponsible of me, but then Van Wychen didn&#8217;t either, so let&#8217;s call it a wash.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Local property taxes have increased not because of real growth in local budgets, but because state leaders have chosen to solve their budget problems disproportionately on the backs of counties and other local governments.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>&#8230;by transferring spending that the counties and cities should be doing, fairness of any mandates notwithstanding, back to the local and county government!<\/p>\n<p>And therein lies the problem: for all the pearl-clutching of partisan, pro-spending pundits like MN2020&#8217;s stable of tax paladins, spending has been growing in Minnesota, vastly faster than inflation, in good times and in bad.\u00a0 When times are good, the DFL wants to spend the (temporary) surpluses; when times are bad, the DFL wants to raise taxes, so that government wants for nothing.<\/p>\n<p>You can niggle about with where any given dollar goes and how it gets there; the\u00a0main issue\u00a0is that there are so many more of them being spent, and the DFL wants to take so many more of them from you and I (and <em>then <\/em>launder them through a system designed to obfuscate where they come from and what they go to).<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>In a bit of a digression, Mitch asserts that the prosperity that Minnesota enjoyed in recent decades would have likely occurred \u201cwithout government intervention.\u201d\u00a0 In the same paragraph, Mitch notes the role that \u201ca highly-educated\u201d workforce played in promoting Minnesota\u2019s economic growth.\u00a0 That highly educated workforce was largely the product of the public investment that Mitch appears to spurn.\u00a0 <a href=\"http:\/\/www.startribune.com\/opinion\/commentary\/59066297.html?page=3&#038;c=y\" target=\"_blank\">According to Art Rolnick<\/a>, Senior Vice-President at the Federal Reserve Board Bank of Minneapolis:<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px\"><em>Back in the late 1950s and early 1960s, when Minnesota was an economic laggard, the state made a long-term commitment to upgrade its education system. \u00a0That kind of foresight helped forge a strong economy that has lasted for decades.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Mitch would have us believe that public investment has been irrelevant to Minnesota\u2019s prosperity.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Well, no. That&#8217;s a bit of a strawman that relies more on the belief that if you support <em>any <\/em>&#8220;<strike>Public Investment<\/strike>&#8221; government taxation spending,\u00a0 you have to be justify it all or risk being called &#8220;inconsistent&#8221; or &#8220;hypocritical&#8221;.\u00a0\u00a0 Some of us are a bit more nuanced than that.<\/p>\n<p>The University of Minnesota &#8211; a leading land-grant university, an institution that was itself a key example of how &#8220;public investment&#8221; <em>can <\/em>shape society, usually for the better &#8211; long predated the explosion of statism in Minnesota.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Contrary to Mitch\u2019s assertions, the economic prosperity that Minnesota enjoyed since 1970 was far from inevitable.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Well, doy.\u00a0 Nothing but death and, er, taxes are &#8220;inevitable&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>But since the ongoing hagiography of the &#8220;Minnesota Miracle&#8221; focuses on Minnesota&#8217;s\u00a0 prosperity in reference to the region (you don&#8217;t see many comparisons with, say, California or Texas or Arizona or New Jersey, right?), let&#8217;s do compare apples with<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Our natural resources, while notable, are certainly not extraordinary relative to other states.\u00a0 Our climate is a drag.\u00a0 We are not particularly well situated in terms of our geographic location to major markets.\u00a0 To prosper, smart public investments are essential.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Our resources <em>are <\/em>notable, though, compared with <em>four <\/em>other states; the Dakotas, Iowa and western Wisconsin; our climate no draggier (indeed, better than most of the neighbors&#8217;); our geographic location is indeed precisely <em>why<\/em> the Twin Cities and Duluth became not only the key cities in the state but in the region; the rivers and the railways always focused on the Twin Cities, and always connected the entire region and its immense agricultural wealth to the rest of the country and world.\u00a0 And yes &#8211; among the land-grant schools in the region, the U of M&#8217;s access to a critical mass of population, communication, exposure and capital gave it advantages that, say, the University of North Dakota, another contemporaneous land-grant school, did not.<\/p>\n<p>For Van Wychen to paint Minnesota as a cold, hapless South Dakota (or&#8230;Omaha?\u00a0 Hmmm?), waiting for the beneficent hand of government to rescue it, is curious.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>While reasonable people can disagree on whether\u00a0CPA is a smart public investment, the debate on this subject should be based on fact, not\u00a0ludicrous appeals to ideological co-religionists.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>And there&#8217;s the clinker, right there.<\/p>\n<p>Remember the grand finale to MN2020&#8217;s attack on charter schools (which I <a href=\"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/?p=4878\">pretty<\/a> <a href=\"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/?p=4903\">thoroughly<\/a>\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/?p=4972\">attacked<\/a> <a href=\"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/?p=4918\">earlier<\/a> <a href=\"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/?p=4911\">in the<\/a> <a href=\"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/?p=4972\">summer<\/a>)?\u00a0 How John Fitzgerald (and John Van Hecke) tried to tie the critiques of his deeply flawed analysis to partisanship (ignoring the fact that the vast majority of charter school families, especially in the Cities, are traditional DFL constituents)?\u00a0 Say what you will about the numbers and the history &#8211; but at the end of the day, Minnesota&#8217;s tax and budget policy is a Holy War between sets of &#8220;co-religionists&#8221;, as opposed to a fundamental difference in outlook on government&#8217;s mission that we get to settle, by his leave, via the political process.<\/p>\n<p>Van Wyche&#8217;s critique seems to boil down to&#8230;:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>Berg didn&#8217;t do his research<\/strong>: I&#8217;ll cop to it, since it really doesn&#8217;t take away from the larger point.<\/li>\n<li><strong>If you question any government spending, you question all government spending<\/strong>: That&#8217;s just an absurd way to try to frame ones&#8217; opponents.\u00a0<\/li>\n<li><strong>Opposition to the tax and spend policies that MN2020 supports (and needs), and that LGA in its various forms helps to conceal is based on pseudo-religious superstition: <\/strong>Minnesota&#8217;s culture of spending needs a sober assessment, preferably in the context of a two-party debate with <em>two different points of view<\/em>.\u00a0 Am I the one to carry on the debate on LGA&#8217;s technicalities?\u00a0 Let&#8217;s not get crazy here.\u00a0 But does the system we have dispel accountability and effectively launder spending?\u00a0 Absolutely.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>And that&#8217;s the part that actually matters.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I&#8217;m not going to claim to be an expert on taxes or state funding.\u00a0 Far, far from it.\u00a0 I certainly don&#8217;t have the depth of knowledge or research that, say the folks at MN2020 have on the subject. This subject, anyway.\u00a0 (Charter schools?\u00a0 They&#8217;re another story completely). Anyway &#8211; MN2020&#8217;s Jeff Van Wychen responded to [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[2],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-5477","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-minnesota-politics"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/5477","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=5477"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/5477\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":6863,"href":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/5477\/revisions\/6863"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=5477"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=5477"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=5477"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}