{"id":48440,"date":"2014-10-24T06:40:28","date_gmt":"2014-10-24T11:40:28","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/?p=48440"},"modified":"2014-10-24T06:46:08","modified_gmt":"2014-10-24T11:46:08","slug":"joe-persell-lying-about-guns","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/?p=48440","title":{"rendered":"Joe Persell: Context Goes Both Ways"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>The big DFL strategy in this election, so far, seems to be to scare to death the voters who they haven&#8217;t bored to death.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/?attachment_id=21243\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-21243\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright size-full wp-image-21243\" title=\"chanting_points_200px\" src=\"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/07\/chanting_points_200px.gif\" alt=\"\" width=\"200\" height=\"152\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>There was a <a href=\"http:\/\/www.bemidjipioneer.com\/content\/house-debate-starts-soft-then-intensifies\">debate on Wednesday in Bemidji<\/a>.\u00a0 Since a couple of districts &#8211; 2A and 5A &#8211; are in play in the Bemidji area, candidate from both were apparently in the ring.<\/p>\n<p>The topic turned to gun control:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>In response to a question on gun control, [HD2A GOP challenger Dave] Hancock said shooting incidents usually occur in places where guns are banned.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;If we look we look at the areas where tragedy has occurred with guns, they are usually in gun-free zone(s),&#8221; he said. &#8220;Where you have people armed and carrying concealed weaponry, the criminal in use of a gun thinks twice.&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>That&#8217;s pretty much the fact.\u00a0 Hancock got it right.\u00a0 No surprise there.<\/p>\n<p>Here&#8217;s where it gets interesting &#8211; and when I say &#8220;interesting&#8221;, I mean &#8220;A DFLer starts saying things that misinform the uninformed&#8221;.\u00a0 The DFL&#8217;s Joe Persell responded to the question; I&#8217;m going to add emphasis:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Persell disagreed, saying carrying weapons can exacerbate tense situations.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Folks that are out there carrying, playing cop &#8230; I don&#8217;t think we want them to be doing that,&#8221; he said. &#8220;<strong>There&#8217;s more instances of people being killed because they are carrying<\/strong>, and <strong>they think somebody said something nasty, and they felt threatened, and so they shot them<\/strong>.&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Really, Rep. Persell?<\/p>\n<p>I wanted to ask Rep. Persell to name one example of either of a Minnesotan&#8230;:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>being killed because they were &#8220;playing cop&#8221;<\/li>\n<li>killing someone who &#8220;said something nasty&#8221; to them.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><strong>Conversation<\/strong>: \u00a0I sent Rep. Persell an email asking for clarification. \u00a0He contacted me, saying he&#8217;d been taken out of context in the Bemidji Pioneer. \u00a0We wound up having a conversation last night. \u00a0 I pointed out that there has never been such a case involving a legal post 2003 carry permit holder in the state of Minnesota (although there were a few incidents with pre-2003 permits &#8211; the ones issued by sheriffs).<\/p>\n<p>Rep. Persell told me that the conversation referred to the Second Amendment as a general, nationwide issue, and that he was referring to <a href=\"http:\/\/www.nydailynews.com\/news\/crime\/florida-man-life-prison-killing-teen-loud-music-article-1.1978021\">cases like those of Michael Dunn<\/a>, the Florida man who shot a teenager over, the court case said, &#8220;loud music&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>Those cases certainly grab the headlines &#8211; the media, being left-of-center and largely anti-gun, makes sure they do.<\/p>\n<p>But even those lavishly-publicized incidents are\u00a0<em>exceedingly\u00a0<\/em>rare. \u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/?p=5358\">I ran the numbers, nationwide, a few years ago<\/a>; in a\u00a0<em>typical\u00a0<\/em>year, a carry permittee is two orders of magnitude less likely to commit any kind of crime than the general public.<\/p>\n<p>So while Persell wasn&#8217;t &#8220;lying&#8221;,\u00a0<em>per se<\/em>, he was focusing attention on a type of incident that is\u00a0<em>exceedingly\u00a0<\/em>rare in real life. \u00a0 While his original quote in the\u00a0<em>Bemidji Pioneer\u00a0<\/em>may have been out of context, the context of his remark is misleading and inflammatory.<\/p>\n<p>The problem with guns, statistically, nationwide, isn&#8217;t a guy with a carry permit killing someone unjustifiably. \u00a0It&#8217;s the thousands of criminals without permits who kill people without regard to the law at all.<\/p>\n<p>Hope\u00a0<em>that\u00a0<\/em>word gets out&#8230;<\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p>By the way, the regional leftymedia got the Victorian Vapours over this remark from Persell&#8217;s opponent, GOP challenger Phillip Nelson; again, I add emphasis:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>When it came time for his turn to speak, Nelson pulled out a small knife and displayed it to the audience.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;This is my right to bear arms,&#8221; he said. &#8220;<strong>I&#8217;m really okay with anybody having any kind of weapon that they want on their person, at any time, for any reason, in any location<\/strong>.&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Kudos to Nelson for passion, zeal and use of props.\u00a0 But when you&#8217;ve got liberal media in the audience, you&#8217;ve got a conundrum.\u00a0 While they get very, very abstract about statements like &#8220;you can keep your doctor&#8221;, they become very pointillistic about statements like &#8220;anyone&#8221; can carry a weapon; they will assume you advocate handing guns out to felons on release from prison (along with ballots, apparently).<\/p>\n<p>Care required.<\/p>\n<p>But let&#8217;s not lose focus;\u00a0 Persell is lying.<\/p>\n<p>As we shall hopefully reinforce shortly.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The big DFL strategy in this election, so far, seems to be to scare to death the voters who they haven&#8217;t bored to death. There was a debate on Wednesday in Bemidji.\u00a0 Since a couple of districts &#8211; 2A and 5A &#8211; are in play in the Bemidji area, candidate from both were apparently in [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[108,20,2,132,22],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-48440","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-chanting-points-memo","category-democrats","category-minnesota-politics","category-mn-legislature","category-victim-disarmament"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/48440","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=48440"}],"version-history":[{"count":8,"href":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/48440\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":48451,"href":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/48440\/revisions\/48451"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=48440"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=48440"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=48440"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}