{"id":40430,"date":"2013-12-11T12:00:04","date_gmt":"2013-12-11T18:00:04","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/?p=40430"},"modified":"2014-12-12T14:38:34","modified_gmt":"2014-12-12T20:38:34","slug":"the-many-lies-of-protect-mn-part-xxiv-no-precedent","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/?p=40430","title":{"rendered":"The Many Lies of &#8220;Protect&#8221; MN, Part XXIV: &#8220;No Precedent!&#8221;"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I almost missed this one in the scrum of this past few weeks.<\/p>\n<p>A couple of weeks ago, when Representatives Paymar and Martens tried to jam down a ban on law-abiding citizens carrying their legally-permitted firearms in the Capitol complex, the Strib&#8217;s Abby Simons wrote the paper&#8217;s follow-up piece.<\/p>\n<p>It ended with a quote from Representative Martens; like most of Martens&#8217; statements, it reeks of crap from rhetorical stem to stern.\u00a0 But I&#8217;ll emphasize the part I want to focus on today:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Heather Martens, executive director <em>[Ha ha ha! &#8211; Ed.]<\/em>\u00a0of Protect Minnesota, an organization geared toward ending gun violence <em>[Ha ha ha! &#8211; Ed.]<\/em>\u00a0and an advocate for the ban, said the intimidation happens when a loaded firearm is worn openly, as it was earlier this year during a hearing.<\/p>\n<p>\u201c<strong>There is no history of someone like that being a meaningful deterrent or being able to stop an attack,\u201d she said.<\/strong><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>If you read this blog,\u00a0 you are smarter than that.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>John Lott showed how &#8220;someone like that&#8221; &#8211; multiplied by millions &#8211; have deterred hundreds of thousands of crimes in shall-issue states, as compared with discretionary or non-issue states (back when there were more of both).\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>As to <em>stopping<\/em> those attacks?\u00a0 Well, we&#8217;ve been through this before.\u00a0 Here&#8217;s a partial list of attacks stopped by law-abiding, non-police, private citizens with legal firearms:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>The Pearl, Mississippi school shooting, where\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Pearl_High_School_shooting\" rel=\"nofollow\">a teacher grabbed a gun and stopped the two shooters<\/a>.<\/li>\n<li>The Appalachian Law School shooting, where\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Appalachian_School_of_Law_shooting\" rel=\"nofollow\">a would-be mass-murderer was stopped<\/a>\u00a0by a couple of armed students.<\/li>\n<li>A robbery that was devolving into a mass-shooting in Virginia\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.keepandbeararms.com\/information\/XcIBViewItem.asp?ID=1446\" rel=\"nofollow\">was stopped by a CCW permittee<\/a>.<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.ktxs.com\/news\/RV-PARK-KILLINGS-Witness-shooter-recounts-shootout-with-gunman-who-killed-two-in-Early\/-\/14769632\/15933066\/-\/30wo2o\/-\/index.html\" rel=\"nofollow\">This episode in Texas<\/a>\u00a0recently<\/li>\n<li>An episode in Richmond, VA in the nineties where a shooter who intended to copycat the Luby\u2019s Cafeteria massacre (in Killeen, TX) was stopped after killing one person, by another citizen with a legal handgun.<\/li>\n<li>The <a href=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/url?sa=t&amp;rct=j&amp;q=&amp;esrc=s&amp;source=web&amp;cd=2&amp;cad=rja&amp;ved=0CEEQFjAB&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F2007_Colorado_YWAM_and_New_Life_shootings&amp;ei=V-wLUfK6Aofi2AXJSQ&amp;usg=AFQjCNFy8_EPPkNcB8JjQ3UAypbIBmozFw&amp;sig2=3wqGNpmGs59q6VebjHDwGA&amp;bvm=bv.41867550,d.b2I\">New Life Church shooting spree<\/a>\u00a0in Colorado Springs in 2007, ended by Jeanne Assam.<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.saysuncle.com\/archives\/2005\/02\/25\/tyler_texas_shooting\/\" rel=\"nofollow\">This episode in Texas<\/a>, where an armed man killed a mass shooter (and died, himself); it\u2019s generally agreed he saved several lives in the process.<\/li>\n<li>An unknown &#8220;good samaritan&#8221; in South Minneapolis <a href=\"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/?tag=evanovich-shooting\">prevented himself from being murdered<\/a>, two years ago.\u00a0<\/li>\n<li>A bouncer in Minneapolis <a href=\"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/?p=12056\">prevented himself, and very possibly a number of other people<\/a>, from being carved up like Christmas hams a few years ago.\u00a0<\/li>\n<li>Details are still sketchy, but it&#8217;s very likely one &#8220;VT&#8221; of Saint Paul <a href=\"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/?p=39956\">prevented a murder &#8211; his &#8211; and possibly his friend&#8217;s<\/a>\u00a0a few weeks ago.\u00a0<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>If Heather Martens &#8211; or any of her supporters and employees &#8211; are talking, the rule of thumb is &#8220;assume they&#8217;re lying&#8221;.\u00a0 Because they are.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I almost missed this one in the scrum of this past few weeks. A couple of weeks ago, when Representatives Paymar and Martens tried to jam down a ban on law-abiding citizens carrying their legally-permitted firearms in the Capitol complex, the Strib&#8217;s Abby Simons wrote the paper&#8217;s follow-up piece. 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