{"id":36270,"date":"2013-05-13T07:00:01","date_gmt":"2013-05-13T12:00:01","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/?p=36270"},"modified":"2013-05-13T06:34:22","modified_gmt":"2013-05-13T11:34:22","slug":"chanting-points-memo-two-rights-make-a-wrong","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/?p=36270","title":{"rendered":"Chanting Points Memo: Two Rights Make A Wrong"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>If you&#8217;ve read this blog for any time at all &#8211; and curbed your stereotypes while doing it, naturally &#8211; you&#8217;ll know two things about me:<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright\" src=\"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/02\/4575208799_e7c6e34c94.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"252\" height=\"192\" \/><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>I\u00a0<em>barely\u00a0<\/em>support the idea of traditional marriage.<\/li>\n<li>I have supported for years now (as in, like, ten years)\u00a0<em>some sort of contractual status for gay couples<\/em>. \u00a0I think marriage is a religious thing, and if I ever get married again I&#8217;ll be putting my legal status where my mouth is and eschewing the state license &#8211; but there&#8217;s no ethical reason gay couples shouldn&#8217;t be able to\u00a0<em>enter into some sort of contractual arrangement.\u00a0<\/em><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>I&#8217;ve had two problems with Gay Marriage as it&#8217;s currently put forth in the Legislature.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Gender Counts<\/strong>: \u00a0the current gay marriage bill is part of a society-wide effort, via media pressure and junk science, to undercut the notion that children need male\u00a0<em>and\u00a0<\/em>female role models as they grow up.<\/p>\n<p>We&#8217;ll come back to that one later. Today&#8217;s subject is&#8230;<\/p>\n<p><strong>It Will Violate The Civil Rights Of Dissidents<\/strong>: \u00a0This is the subject of Walter Hudson&#8217;s piece over at\u00a0<em>Fightin&#8217; Words <\/em>(which is, when Walter updates it, one of the best liberty-oriented blogs. \u00a0Anywhere. \u00a0Period) entitled &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/fightinwordsusa.wordpress.com\/2013\/05\/12\/final-plea-to-the-senate-please-show-restraint-on-marriage\/\">Final Plea to the Senate: Please Show Restraint on Marriage<\/a>&#8220;, a call to the Minnesota Senate to take a break from the Rush to Fabulous and think things over a bit.<\/p>\n<p>Here&#8217;s the money quote (with emphasis added):<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>I do not advocate for the status quo. Homosexuals share the same moral right to free association that all of us have. They ought to be able to enter into contracts which create domestic partnerships and convey a mutually agreed upon legal relationship. The religious conviction of neighbors should not prevent that.<\/p>\n<p><strong>However, the bill you will vote upon Monday does not fulfill that vision of actual equality under the law<\/strong>. Instead, in combination with existing anti-discrimination statutes, it <strong>creates a legal mechanism for encroaching upon the rights of others<\/strong>. University of St. Thomas constitutional law professor Teresa Collett concisely sums up the problem in her Pioneer Press op-ed:<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-style: normal;\">&#8220;Redefining marriage creates new liability under the anti-discrimination laws for \u201cmarital discrimination\u201d where none exists now, and will expand claims of discrimination based on sexual orientation. <strong>The exemption for religious organizations is so narrow that most charitable activities engaged in by people of faith will not be covered<\/strong>.&#8221;<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>The bill&#8217;s proponents chant &#8220;there&#8217;s a religious exemption!&#8221;, ignoring what Walter points out in his piece, and what I&#8217;ve pointed out in the past; the &#8220;exemption&#8221; would cover, essentially, things that happen physically\u00a0<em>inside\u00a0<\/em>a church building. \u00a0Sort of.<\/p>\n<p>Charities? \u00a0Private businesses? \u00a0Free association? \u00a0Not so much.<\/p>\n<p>And in a society that is chock full of unemployed lawyers and advocacy groups looking for the next big grant-attracting splash to make?<\/p>\n<p>Chanting &#8220;The First Amendment protects religious expression!&#8221; is about like saying &#8220;the Second Amendment protects your right to keep and bear arms!&#8221; or &#8220;the Fourth Amendment protects you from unreasonable searches and seizures!&#8221; or &#8220;The Tenth Amendment reserves unenumerated rights to the States and People!&#8221;. \u00a0All are true &#8211; provided you take them seriously enough to beat back ill-advised legal attacks on them.<\/p>\n<p>Hudson:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Indeed, this is the explicit goal of the political movement advancing the bill. In a video from 2012 which only recently went viral, gay activist Masha Gessen proudly declared to raucous applause that the long-term goal of the gay marriage movement is the elimination of marriage as such and a redefinition of the family.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Here&#8217;s the video Walter mentioned:<br \/>\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/n9M0xcs2Vw4\" frameborder=\"0\" width=\"420\" height=\"315\"><\/iframe><br \/>\nIf this were about civil rights, gay marriage advocates would have been fine with civil unions.<\/p>\n<p>But it&#8217;s not, and never was, and ten years from now certainly won&#8217;t be &#8211; assuming you&#8217;re not an enthusiastic-enough supporter.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>If you&#8217;ve read this blog for any time at all &#8211; and curbed your stereotypes while doing it, naturally &#8211; you&#8217;ll know two things about me: I\u00a0barely\u00a0support the idea of traditional marriage. I have supported for years now (as in, like, ten years)\u00a0some sort of contractual status for gay couples. \u00a0I think marriage is a [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[24],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-36270","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-culture-war"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/36270","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=36270"}],"version-history":[{"count":4,"href":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/36270\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":36301,"href":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/36270\/revisions\/36301"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=36270"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=36270"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=36270"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}