{"id":33978,"date":"2013-01-30T12:00:06","date_gmt":"2013-01-30T18:00:06","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/?p=33978"},"modified":"2013-09-06T15:25:17","modified_gmt":"2013-09-06T20:25:17","slug":"the-new-dialog-about-guns","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/?p=33978","title":{"rendered":"The New Dialog About Guns"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Emboldened by Betty McCollum&#8217;s plaintive cry for a &#8220;dialog&#8221;, I met my DFLer friend, AVERY LIBRELLE. \u00a0Avery was just coming out of point-chanting practice at the Union building in downtown Saint Paul; we decided to have a dialog over a drink or two at the St. Paul Hotel.<\/p>\n<p>MITCH: \u00a0OK, a dialog about guns. \u00a0OK, I&#8217;ll start by pre-empting one inevitable strawman; there\u00a0<em>are\u00a0<\/em>gun controls that actually reduce crime. \u00a0They include keeping guns out of the hands of felons, and ramping up the sentences for gun crimes. \u00a0They&#8217;re the measures the &#8220;Gun Lobby&#8221;, including but not limited to the NRA, have worked for. \u00a0And they&#8217;ve worked.<\/p>\n<p>LIBRELLE: \u00a0The NRA <a href=\"http:\/\/www.google.com\/url?sa=t&amp;rct=j&amp;q=nra%20are%20terrorists&amp;source=web&amp;cd=3&amp;cad=rja&amp;ved=0CD0QFjAC&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Fwp-dyn%2Fcontent%2Farticle%2F2010%2F05%2F05%2FAR2010050505211.html&amp;ei=9BgJUeD-LuKBywGR84DwDw&amp;usg=AFQjCNEw364LaxJiqejFKrm_F1xBxKDSgw&amp;bvm=bv.41642243,d.aWc\">is a terrorist group<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>MITCH: \u00a0Um&#8230;well, no. \u00a0It&#8217;s an industry and hobby group that does some lobbying.<\/p>\n<p>LIBRELLE: \u00a0They are <a href=\"http:\/\/www.google.com\/url?sa=t&amp;rct=j&amp;q=nra%20owned%20by%20gun%20manufacturers&amp;source=web&amp;cd=1&amp;cad=rja&amp;sqi=2&amp;ved=0CDwQqQIwAA&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fsanfrancisco.cbslocal.com%2F2013%2F01%2F28%2Fsen-feinstein-calls-nra-an-institution-of-gun-manufacturers%2F&amp;ei=mhoJUaejB6HXygH9-oGwDg&amp;usg=AFQjCNGI7dHcxG38aObmCKyHAoOyYXSeCg&amp;bvm=bv.41642243,d.aWc\">owned by the gun industry<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>MITCH: \u00a0The firearms industry certainly donates money to the NRA, since they are the biggest, baddest group fighting for their right to do business. \u00a0They have the right to do that. \u00a0But the NRA has always been one of America&#8217;s biggest grass-roots organizations. \u00a0And it&#8217;s only getting bigger; <a href=\"http:\/\/news.blogs.cnn.com\/2013\/01\/30\/nra-says-it-adds-500000-members-since-newtown\/\">it&#8217;s up 500,000 in the past six weeks<\/a>. \u00a0And that&#8217;s people who pay $35, at least, for a year; not a ton of money, but not inconsiderable in these tough times, either. \u00a0And that&#8217;s up from 3 million in 1990.<\/p>\n<p>LIBRELLE: \u00a0Guns are out of control!<br \/>\nMITCH:\u00a0\u00a0Er, no. \u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.google.com\/url?sa=t&amp;rct=j&amp;q=violent%20crime%20down%20in%20us&amp;source=web&amp;cd=1&amp;cad=rja&amp;sqi=2&amp;ved=0CC8QFjAA&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F2012%2F10%2F29%2Fjustice%2Fus-violent-crime%2Findex.html&amp;ei=XhsJUbvlOqXUygHUkYDwDg&amp;usg=AFQjCNGmfO5y9eiuwWOYqChhiRYhrFpMZA&amp;bvm=bv.41642243,d.aWc\">Violent crime is steadily falling<\/a>, even as the number of guns in society approaches one for every American. \u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.google.com\/url?sa=t&amp;rct=j&amp;q=violent%20crime%20down%20since%201990&amp;source=web&amp;cd=1&amp;cad=rja&amp;sqi=2&amp;ved=0CC8QFjAA&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.slate.com%2Farticles%2Fnews_and_politics%2Fcrime%2F2011%2F02%2Fhead_case.html&amp;ei=rRsJUb2hEoisyAGc8ICwDw&amp;usg=AFQjCNFGFNREHu5xW5VDdGex8d4cfYzVmA&amp;bvm=bv.41642243,d.aWc\">Gun crimes are down nearly 50% in the past 20 years<\/a>, along with crime in general. \u00a0And the NRA worked with sensible politicians on both sides of the aisle to make that happen. \u00a0 \u00a0In other words, the NRA has always supported gun controls that actually work &#8211; by attacking criminals, not the law-abiding.<br \/>\nLIBRELLE: \u00a0But mass shootings are out of control!<\/p>\n<p>MITCH: \u00a0Well, no &#8211; media coverage notwithstanding, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.nationalreview.com\/articles\/335739\/facts-about-mass-shootings-john-fund\">they&#8217;re actually less common than they were 20 years ago<\/a>. \u00a0In fact, the worst year for mass shootings was&#8230;1929.<\/p>\n<p>LIBRELLE: \u00a0But we have to\u00a0<em>dooooooo\u00a0<\/em>something.<\/p>\n<p>MITCH: \u00a0We&#8217;ve done something. \u00a0It&#8217;s been working. \u00a0It&#8217;s just that we haven&#8217;t done the &#8220;something&#8221; that our media establishment and its&#8217; left-of-center political benefactors want.<br \/>\n\u00a0LIBRELLE: \u00a0We have to control guns. \u00a0<em>Period<\/em><em>.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>MITCH: \u00a0Did you just use &#8220;Period&#8221; to try to prove a point?<\/p>\n<p>LIBRELLE: \u00a0Guns are out of control.<\/p>\n<p>MITCH: \u00a0Er, where do you get this?<\/p>\n<p>LIBRELLE: \u00a0You&#8217;re crazy.<\/p>\n<p>MITCH: \u00a0Um &#8211; what now? \u00a0We&#8217;re having a\u00a0<em>dialog<\/em>, right? \u00a0And yet all you&#8217;ve done is recite chanting points and long-debunked stats.<\/p>\n<p>LIBRELLE: \u00a0I bet you&#8217;re compensating for something. \u00a0If you know what I mean.<\/p>\n<p>MITCH: \u00a0Yep. \u00a0Compensating for the fact that there is evil in this world, yadda yadda.<\/p>\n<p>LIBRELLE: You&#8217;re just a cranky middle-aged bald white guy.<\/p>\n<p>MITCH: \u00a0And the last I checked the Constitution applies to us too. \u00a0So &#8211; do you have any actual facts to bring to this &#8220;dialog?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>LIBRELLE: \u00a0The <a href=\"http:\/\/www.google.com\/url?sa=t&amp;rct=j&amp;q=the%20nra%20is%20fascist&amp;source=web&amp;cd=4&amp;cad=rja&amp;ved=0CEUQFjAD&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailykos.com%2Fnews%2FFascist%2520NRA&amp;ei=yx0JUdGuA4blyQHDw4CADw&amp;usg=AFQjCNFKqLQ0WFOfmTULrBnc0LUWODWQBQ&amp;bvm=bv.41642243,d.aWc\">NRA are fascists<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>MITCH: \u00a0So in response to decades of patiently-assembled facts that support my case, you have ad-homina and chanting points?<\/p>\n<p>LIBRELLE: \u00a0You&#8217;re cray-cray.<\/p>\n<p>MITCH: \u00a0That&#8217;s not, technically, &#8220;dialog&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>LIBRELLE: \u00a0Why do you hate children.<\/p>\n<p>MITCH: \u00a0This isn&#8217;t dialog. \u00a0This is me debating, you trying to trash me.<\/p>\n<p>LIBRELLE: \u00a0Now you&#8217;re having a melt-down.<\/p>\n<p>MITCH: \u00a0Don&#8217;t flatter yourself.<\/p>\n<p>LIBRELLE: \u00a0I should wear a flak jacket. \u00a0You may try to kill me.<\/p>\n<p>MITCH: \u00a0That&#8217;s nuts.<\/p>\n<p>LIBRELLE: \u00a0Oh, now you&#8217;re attacking me personally! \u00a0There&#8217;s no way to have a dialog with you gun nuts!<\/p>\n<p>(And SCENE)<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Emboldened by Betty McCollum&#8217;s plaintive cry for a &#8220;dialog&#8221;, I met my DFLer friend, AVERY LIBRELLE. \u00a0Avery was just coming out of point-chanting practice at the Union building in downtown Saint Paul; we decided to have a dialog over a drink or two at the St. Paul Hotel. MITCH: \u00a0OK, a dialog about guns. \u00a0OK, [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[63,22],"tags":[236],"class_list":["post-33978","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-lefty-alt-media","category-victim-disarmament","tag-dramatization"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/33978","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=33978"}],"version-history":[{"count":5,"href":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/33978\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":38204,"href":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/33978\/revisions\/38204"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=33978"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=33978"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=33978"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}