{"id":2895,"date":"2008-07-18T07:15:11","date_gmt":"2008-07-18T12:15:11","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/?p=2895"},"modified":"2008-07-18T11:00:08","modified_gmt":"2008-07-18T16:00:08","slug":"piddling-on-the-vandals","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/?p=2895","title":{"rendered":"Piddling On The Vandals"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Some of my best friends are atheists.<\/p>\n<p>Me? Nah. I&#8217;ve never found the scientific case against God remotely compelling. The cases of Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris are so hate-clogged they&#8217;re pretty easily dispatched; indeed, I&#8217;d love to see debate between one of them and a genuine Christian thinker, especially one that wasn&#8217;t moderated by <a href=\"http:\/\/www.google.com\/url?sa=t&#038;ct=res&#038;cd=1&#038;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.shotinthedark.info%2Fwp%2F%3Fp%3D1220&#038;ei=pYaASM6nNaG4iAGw6vzbCw&#038;usg=AFQjCNH5KCxxNnUewB0Hbsm36TU6S-Ezhg&#038;sig2=wJL7eRFdt4HdkLrzHhAiLg\">some NPR suckup<\/a>; it&#8217;d be like a lawnmower going through a cabbage patch. Christopher Hitchens is more acerbic &#8211; and easier, since while he rejects &#8220;God&#8221;, he still buys the notion of <em>some <\/em>kind of universal energy of one kind or another.<\/p>\n<p>But at least there&#8217;s an argument you can <em>try <\/em>to respect.<\/p>\n<p>Well, for some of &#8217;em anyway.<\/p>\n<p>The big problem with the latest wave of atheists isn&#8217;t their beliefs &#8211; because their beliefs are irrelevant. It&#8217;s all about their <em>hatred <\/em>of faith. Read their blogs, watch their cable-access shows &#8211; it&#8217;s less about &#8220;the case against God&#8221; and more &#8220;aren&#8217;t <strike>people of faith<\/strike> Christians stupid!&#8221; It&#8217;d be like packs of fundamentalist Christians filming themselves mocking (stereotyped) gay behavior for cruel, cheap yuks, if you can imagine that (and, as a rule, you <em>do<\/em> have to imagine it).<\/p>\n<p>No. I mean <em>just <\/em>like it.<\/p>\n<p>Reading the local Sorosphere&#8217;s <a href=\"http:\/\/minnesotaindependent.com\/view\/mnindy-interview\">fawning coverage<\/a> of PZ &#8220;Meyers&#8221; Myers&#8217; extended game of &#8220;monkey in the middle&#8221; with a consecrated host (the wafer from a Catholic communion that&#8217;s been blessed by a priest &#8211; which, orthodox Catholics believe, &#8220;transubstantiates&#8221; into the literal body of Christ as related in the Last Supper) is&#8230;depressing. Myers, a biology professor and one of the more prominent atheist bloggers, declaims about religion from atop what he seems to consider a mountain of logic. And he pays, indeed, some lip service to common decency, as most people, faith aside, would understand it&#8230;:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>I don\u2019t favor the idea of going to somebody\u2019s home or to something they own and possess and consider very important, like a graveyard\u2014going to a grave and desecrating that. That\u2019s something completely different. Because what you\u2019re doing is doing harm to something unique and something that is rightfully part of somebody else\u2014it\u2019s somebody else\u2019s ownership.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>And yet&#8230;:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>The cracker [host, presumably] is completely different. This is something that\u2019s freely handed out.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Well, no. It&#8217;s not.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;m not Catholic &#8211; and, like most Protestants, I take an allegorical rather than literal view of the host. But it&#8217;s not remotely &#8220;freely&#8221; handed out. The Catholic communion involves jumping through some spiritual hoops (as does the Protestant communion, in most cases) to &#8220;commune&#8221; with God; in the Catholic tradition (stop me if I&#8217;m wrong, Catholics) involves being in a &#8220;state of grace&#8221;, of having ones&#8217; sins forgiven, before receiving the Body and Blood of Christ. Not everyone who walks into a Catholic Church gets communion. The host is no more &#8220;freely&#8221; handed out than is an &#8220;A&#8221; in one of Myers&#8217; classes. I presume.<\/p>\n<p>So the stunt Myers is defending &#8211; a college student, Webster Cook, who kyped a consecrated host from a mass, drawing all sorts of emotional reactions from Catholics, some of them terribly overwrought &#8211; was as much vandalism (devaluing something of value to another by defacing, damaging or destroying it)\u00a0as theft.<\/p>\n<p>To Myers, of course, <a href=\"http:\/\/scienceblogs.com\/pharyngula\/2008\/07\/its_a_goddamned_cracker.php#more\">it&#8217;s a big joke<\/a>; like stealing a hat from a kid on the playground and tossing it around among the other little reprobates. It&#8217;s a cruel little giggle &#8211; after all, it&#8217;s not <em>your <\/em>hat that you&#8217;re having fun with! &#8211; and if the kid gets pissed and decks you, you can <a href=\"http:\/\/scienceblogs.com\/pharyngula\/2008\/07\/mail_dump.php\">run to the principal<\/a> and <a href=\"http:\/\/minnesotaindependent.com\/view\/flowery-language\">get him in trouble<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>I read PZ Myers, and I can&#8217;t feel angry, really.\u00a0 All I can feel is sad.<\/p>\n<p>And not just in a spiritual sense.\u00a0 This is a guy &#8211; and a huge pack of suckups &#8211; who think this is cutting-edge shiznit.\u00a0 Sticking it to the <strike>man <\/strike>priest; Effing with a host (hahaha, they think it&#8217;s the <em>body of Jeeeebus!<\/em>)<\/p>\n<p>I was going to write &#8220;I&#8217;m not sure what bothers me more &#8211; the stunt, and Myers&#8217; puerile reaction in support, or the local Sorosphere&#8217;s fawning coverage and belief that it&#8217;s &#8220;news&#8221; and that Myers is a profile in courage for doing it&#8221; &#8211; but I stopped.<\/p>\n<p>The answer is &#8220;neither&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>Here&#8217;s why: this is probably <em>good <\/em>news for people of faith. If this &#8211; and Dawkins, and Harris &#8211; is the best atheists can do, God is not only alive, but He is so confident in our ability to withstand the <em>real <\/em>challenges to our faith that He&#8217;s sent us some puffed-up, arrogant, self-important buffoons to laugh at.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Some of my best friends are atheists. Me? Nah. I&#8217;ve never found the scientific case against God remotely compelling. The cases of Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris are so hate-clogged they&#8217;re pretty easily dispatched; indeed, I&#8217;d love to see debate between one of them and a genuine Christian thinker, especially one that wasn&#8217;t moderated by [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[26],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-2895","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-faiths-and-their-followers"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2895","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=2895"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2895\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=2895"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=2895"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=2895"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}