{"id":25925,"date":"2012-01-31T12:00:31","date_gmt":"2012-01-31T18:00:31","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/?p=25925"},"modified":"2012-04-08T11:01:41","modified_gmt":"2012-04-08T16:01:41","slug":"chanting-points-memo-the-people-love-dayton-and-hate-the-legislature","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/?p=25925","title":{"rendered":"Chanting Points Memo: &#8220;The People Love Dayton And Hate The Legislature!&#8221;"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>This particular chanting point has been making the rounds this week &#8211; a &#8220;Public Policy Polling&#8221; (PPP) survey appears to show that Mark Dayton is dreamily popular, and the people just can&#8217;t stand the GOP-run legislature.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/?cat=108\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright\" title=\"chanting_points_200px\" src=\"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/07\/chanting_points_200px.gif\" alt=\"\" width=\"200\" height=\"152\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s made the rounds of most of the mainstream media, the leftyblogs, and the lowest of the bunch, the \u00a0<em>City Pages<\/em>. \u00a0I figured I&#8217;d pick on Dave Mindeman at\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.mnpact.org\/sblog\/blog.php?id=3180\">mnpACTttp and his take on it<\/a>\u00a0because unlike way too many Twin Cities leftybloggers, he&#8217;s articulate, recites the chanting point pretty much verbatim, and is otherwise not an idiot.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Mark Dayton&#8217;s numbers have improved since PPP last polled Minnesota in May and he&#8217;s one of the most popular Governors in the country.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Now, the numbers would seem to bear that statement out. \u00a0Let&#8217;s unpack them before we move on.<\/p>\n<p>In observing PPP polls over the past couple of cycles, their results seem to consistently fall a little to the left of how Minnesota reality eventually shakes out. \u00a0Not in an egregions-to-the-point-of-fraud kind of way, like the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/?cat=125\">Humphrey Institute or <em>Strib <\/em>Minnesota polls<\/a>, but it&#8217;s noticeable.<\/p>\n<p>I also think &#8211; and this is a theory, not something I&#8217;m stating as fact, but a decade of observation has led a lot of us on the right to wonder if there&#8217;s something to it &#8211; that liberals are much more prone to answer polls, especially in between election cycles.<\/p>\n<p>Let&#8217;s ignore both of those for the moment. \u00a0Let&#8217;s talk about the surface indicators for this polling:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>A little belated birthday present for Mark. Dayton has an approval rating of 53%, while disapproval is at 34% &#8212; a 19% spread.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>The numbers have led Mindeman &#8211; and most other lefties &#8211; to a misleading conclusion. \u00a0Not <em>wrong<\/em>\u00a0&#8211; I&#8217;m not telling people not to trust their lying eyes &#8211; but there&#8217;s more in those numbers than meets the eye. \u00a0Mindeman and the rest of the lefties are ignoring a key bit of American political behavior.<\/p>\n<p>The poll covers the time <em>between <\/em>the shutdown and the present &#8211; when Dayton really didn&#8217;t <em>do<\/em>\u00a0anything. \u00a0For that matter, he really didn&#8217;t <em>do <\/em>anything during the last session, or the shutdown. \u00a0He&#8217;s been for the most part a non-entity. \u00a0And if you don&#8217;t do anything &#8211; either positive or negative &#8211; then your numbers are going to be juuuuust fine. \u00a0Or at least fairly steady.<\/p>\n<p>(Opposite case in point &#8211; Tim Pawlenty, who fought a two-court DFL advantage in 2009 and 2010 with aggression and passion. \u00a0He did <em>not <\/em>sit in his office drinking Kombucha or, given his hockey-playing pedigree, PBR, and his poll numbers showed it. \u00a0They were &#8220;lived-in&#8221;. \u00a0Who was a better governor? \u00a0Depends, now, doesn&#8217;t it?)<\/p>\n<p>During the session, and the shutdown, it was the Legislature that did all the heavy lifting. \u00a0Dayton sat in his office, released the occasional demand, and until his final, fatal tour around the state, where he realized that getting behind his own plan would be political suicide, really did nothing. \u00a0And after that tour, when he folded his cards, he did so quietly, minimizing if not the GOP&#8217;s victory at least his own defeat.<\/p>\n<p>In other words, he&#8217;s played defense. \u00a0He&#8217;s sat back and let the other guys take the hit. \u00a0The media, naturally, abet this behavior.<\/p>\n<p>And in a state as polarized as Minnesota is, when you actually <em>do <\/em>things, you will take the hit &#8211; especially given our DFL-owned-and-operated media, whose interest in fluffing Dayton is obvious and constant.<\/p>\n<p>And the Legisature has done things &#8211; affirmative things during the session and the shutdown, many of which pissed off Democrats and a few of which irritated the more conservative, and also not-so-affirmative things that have been all over the news lately. \u00a0Of course, sitting back and being passive-aggressive, like Dayton, was not an option for the Legislative branch; they were sent to Saint Paul on a mission, and the mission wasn&#8217;t going to get done without some serious action, and given the number of GOP freshmen who said they didn&#8217;t care if they only served a term, some fallout was to be expected. \u00a0It was inevitable.<\/p>\n<p>But there&#8217;s more.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Dayton may get himself an easier legislature to work with next year. Democrats lead the generic legislative ballot in the state by a 48-39 margin. If that holds through November they should win back a whole lot of the seats they lost in 2010. It&#8217;s not that legislative Democrats are popular- only 31% of voters have a favorable opinion of them to 49% with a negative one. But legislative Republicans have horrible numbers. Their favorability rating is 23% with 62% of voters viewing them negatively. That honeymoon wore off real fast.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>And here Mindeman and the rest of the metro chattering class fall into the seductive charms of drawing using high-level data to draw high-level conclusions on low-level questions. \u00a0Mindeman &#8211; and the entire regional left &#8211; have scoped the data wrong. I suggest. \u00a0The fact is that &#8220;generic&#8221; never manages to get endorsed to run for the Legislature.<\/p>\n<p>The Legislature <em>will <\/em>take popularity hits &#8211; they, as a body, did all the work.<\/p>\n<p>The Legislature, as a body, will <em>always <\/em>lag a do-nothing governor under those circumstances. \u00a0Just like Congress does.<\/p>\n<p>But aggregate polls of the entire Legislature &#8211; those mythical &#8220;generic&#8221;\u00a0legislators\u00a0&#8211; are meaningless, just like aggregate polls of Congress. \u00a0People may want to vote the bastards in general out, but people <em>tend<\/em>, generally, to support their own bastard. \u00a0There are exceptions &#8211; they voted a lot of incumbent &#8220;bastards&#8221; out in 2006 <em>and <\/em>2010 &#8211; but as a very general rule, unless you have a wave election, incumbency has its virtues. \u00a0This election may be many things &#8211; it may return both chambers of Congress to the GOP &#8211; but I don&#8217;t think anyone&#8217;s predicting a wave yet.<\/p>\n<p>Tack on the fact that PPP polls trend left, that poll respondents this early in the cycle trend left, that the PPP poll was of registered voters (who always trend left), and the fact that the poll is meaningless, and the additional fact that redistricting &#8211; provided that it reflects actual demographic shifts rather than the DFL&#8217;s rhetoric &#8211; should favor the GOP, and I&#8217;m a lot less worried about this poll than the DFL, media (ptr) and the chattering classes want you to be.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>And despite those numbers the GOP legislature continues to play ultra partisan games.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Well, yeah, Dave. \u00a0They know the numbers are meaningless. \u00a0So does the DFL.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>This particular chanting point has been making the rounds this week &#8211; a &#8220;Public Policy Polling&#8221; (PPP) survey appears to show that Mark Dayton is dreamily popular, and the people just can&#8217;t stand the GOP-run legislature. It&#8217;s made the rounds of most of the mainstream media, the leftyblogs, and the lowest of the bunch, the [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[56,108,132,72,127],"tags":[120,193],"class_list":["post-25925","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-campaign-12","category-chanting-points-memo","category-mn-legislature","category-mngop","category-the-incredible-shrinking-governor","tag-polling","tag-ppp-poll"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/25925","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=25925"}],"version-history":[{"count":10,"href":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/25925\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":25937,"href":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/25925\/revisions\/25937"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=25925"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=25925"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=25925"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}