{"id":25097,"date":"2011-12-28T12:00:41","date_gmt":"2011-12-28T18:00:41","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/?p=25097"},"modified":"2021-01-03T07:49:58","modified_gmt":"2021-01-03T13:49:58","slug":"top-seven-dumbest-arguments-for-public-subsidy-for-a-vikings-stadium","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/?p=25097","title":{"rendered":"Top Seven Dumbest Arguments For Public Subsidy For A Vikings Stadium"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>In rough order (i.e., either can move up or down 2-3 positions in the list depending on my mood):<\/p>\n<p><strong>&#8220;So you&#8217;re willing to see the Vikings leave?&#8221;<\/strong>: \u00a0I&#8217;m a baseball fan &#8211; and to the extent I care about the NFL, I follow the Bears. \u00a0So I really don&#8217;t care.<\/p>\n<p>Seriously? \u00a0No more or less so than I am to see Medtronic or Bill&#8217;s Gun Shop or the corner deli or 3M leave. \u00a0They&#8217;re businesses. \u00a0In a perfect world, they&#8217;d all stay here because taxes and regulations and just plain living and doing business in Minnesota were attractive enough. \u00a0And let&#8217;s be honest, we\u00a0<em>do\u00a0<\/em>subsidize businesses, to an extent; tax-increment financing is the main tool Minnesota cities use to draw and keep businesses, which is a sort of subsidy. \u00a0And we constantly trade public infrastructure spending &#8211; road, water and sewer improvements &#8211; for business commitments. \u00a0And in some cases, we do it because business owners say &#8220;cut us a break or we&#8217;ll move to Texas&#8221;. \u00a0And sometimes we cave, and sometimes we just let &#8217;em go &#8211; usually depending on the business&#8217; or its&#8217; executives&#8217; political clout. \u00a0I oppose it then, and I oppose it now.<\/p>\n<p><strong>&#8220;For Only $122 Per Minnesotan, It&#8217;ll Create Jobs!&#8221;<\/strong>: Oh, don&#8217;t be a doof. \u00a0That $122 will create jobs <em>anyplace <\/em>you spend it. \u00a0Whether I spend it at the corner grocery store, or at Guitar Center, or at Bill&#8217;s Gun Shop, or on Amazon, or at Keegans Irish Pub, it creates jobs. \u00a0In fact, if I recall correctly, a dollar spent on stadia creates <em>fewer <\/em>jobs than a dollar spent elsewhere, on average (and King Banaian will let me know if I&#8217;m wrong on that, I&#8217;m sure).<\/p>\n<p><strong>&#8220;Wow &#8211; &#8220;No Public Money For Billionaires?&#8221; \u00a0Some Republican you are!&#8221;<\/strong>: It&#8217;s a fair cop. \u00a0I&#8217;m a libertarian\/conservative first, and a Republican second. \u00a0Corporate welfare does the economy no more good than subsidizing eternal poverty does.<\/p>\n<p><strong>&#8220;The Vikings are a part of our cultural heritage!&#8221;<\/strong><strong>: \u00a0<\/strong>So is the Minneapolis music scene. \u00a0Tell you what &#8211; I&#8217;ll drop $122 on your stadium (on penalty of going to jail if I don&#8217;t) if you throw $122 and buy me the Replacements boxed set (on penalty of going to jail if you don&#8217;t). \u00a0Or, I don&#8217;t care, a<em>ny<\/em>\u00a0<em>other <\/em>part of our &#8220;cultural heritage&#8221; &#8211; mallard carvings or Guthrie tickets or polka lessons or lefse ingredients or New Ulm beer or Edmund Fitzgerald books or Saint Paul Saints swag or any <em>other <\/em>part of our &#8220;cultural heritage&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>Sound fair?<\/p>\n<p><strong>&#8220;No &#8211; the Vikings are an <em>integral <\/em>part of our cultural heritage!&#8221;<\/strong>: Oh, they&#8217;re <em>integral<\/em>? \u00a0Then problem solved. \u00a0If they&#8217;re an &#8220;integral&#8221; part of Minnesota, they can&#8217;t leave; they &#8211; and\/or presumably the state itself &#8211; would cease to exist.<\/p>\n<p><strong>&#8220;Wow, Mr. Conservative Talk Show Host &#8211; &#8220;No Money For A Stadium&#8221; is the same position John Marty takes!&#8221;<\/strong>&#8221; \u00a0Wrong. \u00a0John Marty takes the same stance that <em>I <\/em>take. \u00a0Since he favors all manner of other government subsidies &#8211; arts, MPR, eternal poverty &#8211; I&#8217;m the one being consistent.<\/p>\n<p><strong>&#8220;It&#8217;s an investment in the community!&#8221;<\/strong>: Well, you&#8217;re half right. \u00a0It&#8217;s an investment &#8211; in Zygi Wilf. \u00a0Wilf is a real estate mogul; he makes his money by having his investment appreciate. \u00a0The Vikings, even with their current awful season, have appreciated considerably since he bought the team. \u00a0A new stadium &#8211; especially attached to immense parking concessions and a vast swathe of retail and entertainment space, as in the Arden Hills site &#8211; will tack a <em>huge <\/em>premium onto that investment. \u00a0Now &#8211; what&#8217;s the only thing better than a <em>huge <\/em>premium? \u00a0A huge premium that <em>someone else pays for <\/em>so you can reap a <em>huge <\/em>windfall and not have to pay &#8211; or at least not have to pay full price &#8211; for. \u00a0Zygi&#8217;s a big boy. \u00a0He can pay for his own immense freaking windfall.<\/p>\n<p>Any more?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In rough order (i.e., either can move up or down 2-3 positions in the list depending on my mood): &#8220;So you&#8217;re willing to see the Vikings leave?&#8221;: \u00a0I&#8217;m a baseball fan &#8211; and to the extent I care about the NFL, I follow the Bears. \u00a0So I really don&#8217;t care. 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