{"id":19743,"date":"2011-05-03T11:13:34","date_gmt":"2011-05-03T17:13:34","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/?p=19743"},"modified":"2014-04-21T19:18:22","modified_gmt":"2014-04-22T00:18:22","slug":"logic-for-leftybloggers-part-i-the-tu-quoque-ad-hominem","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/?p=19743","title":{"rendered":"Logic For Leftybloggers: Part I, The <i>Tu Quoque Ad Hominem<\/i>"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>File this under &#8220;casting pearls before swine&#8221;, but I&#8217;ve finally snapped.<\/p>\n<p>The Twin Cities&#8217; &#8220;alternative&#8221; media is where logic goes to die.<\/p>\n<p>So today will be the first of a 2,000 part series trying to introduce bloggers (and I&#8217;ll say &#8220;of all stripes&#8221;, but we all know who I really mean) to some of the rudiments of carrying on a logical argument.<\/p>\n<p>(And yes, a few conservative bloggers as well. \u00a0Illogic isn&#8217;t the <em>exclusive <\/em>province of &#8220;progressive&#8221; bloggers. \u00a0Not at all.<\/p>\n<p>Today&#8217;s installment: the <strong>Tu Quoque Ad Hominem<\/strong>.<\/p>\n<p>With the &#8220;Marriage Amendment&#8221; working its way through the Legislature, and likely to not only get through but win big in the fall of 2012, the usual framing is underway from the left.<\/p>\n<p>In and among the usual (&#8220;bigot!&#8221; \u00a0&#8220;Hateful!&#8221; and so on) comes the question &#8220;I wonder how many of the people voting for this amendment are divorced? \u00a0Why should <em>th<\/em>ey be telling anyone about marriage?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Leaving aside that that only makes sense if you presume that gay marriage is immune from divorce &#8211; <a href=\"http:\/\/www.totaldivorce.com\/news\/articles\/society\/first-gay-couple-married-file-for-divorce.aspx\">and it is not<\/a> &#8211; it&#8217;s an example of the\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.nizkor.org\/features\/fallacies\/ad-hominem-tu-quoque.html\">Tu Quoque Ad Hominem<\/a> &#8211; which presumes that if someone has ever said, done or believed anything different than what they are currently arguing, then the current argument is wrong.<\/p>\n<p>Now it&#8217;s true that, all other things being equal, only one of the two positions <em>can <\/em>be right (if, indeed, they are black and white, right <em>or <\/em>wrong issues with no gray areas, which accounts for rather few things in real life) &#8211; but that has nothing to do with whether the current position is, in and of itself, wrong.<\/p>\n<p>The fact that someone&#8217;s earlier positions, statements or actions disagree with a current position, statement or action could stem from lots of things; that the person has changed their position for good reason; that they&#8217;ve grown, either as a human being or &#8220;in office&#8221;; that that he or she is a hypocrite (meaning &#8220;holds other people to moral positions to which they don&#8217;t hold themselves&#8221;), that he or she merely hasn&#8217;t thought things through all that well, or that they&#8217;re just plain flip-flopping. \u00a0Or maybe more than one of them. \u00a0Whichever &#8211; <em>it doesn&#8217;t, in and of itself, invalidate their current argument<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p>There may be other reasons the argument is invalid &#8211; reasonable people can disagree on, to go back to the original example, gay marriage; some may even change their positions over time. \u00a0But some prior inconsistency doesn&#8217;t even make, much less prove, the case.<\/p>\n<p>Go forth and sin no more.<\/p>\n<p>You&#8217;re welcome.<\/p>\n<p>(It&#8217;s about this point that some joyless scold &#8211; I&#8217;m thinking &#8220;Tild&#8221; or &#8220;Spotty&#8221; or &#8220;Minnesota Observer&#8221;, will dig diligently through my blog and find some example of me using exactly this logical fallacy &#8211; in effect, saying &#8220;Mitch Berg shouldn&#8217;t be yapping about logic, since he has been illogical&#8221;. \u00a0And the circle turns).<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>File this under &#8220;casting pearls before swine&#8221;, but I&#8217;ve finally snapped. 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