{"id":18657,"date":"2011-03-08T12:10:01","date_gmt":"2011-03-08T18:10:01","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/?p=18657"},"modified":"2011-03-08T17:46:51","modified_gmt":"2011-03-08T23:46:51","slug":"the-enemy-of-my-enemy","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/?p=18657","title":{"rendered":"The Enemy Of My Enemy"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>In some ways, John &#8220;Northside Johnny&#8221; Hoff represents the upside of blogging.\u00a0 He&#8217;s found a niche, and he covers it in a way that conventional news reporters just can&#8217;t.\u00a0 Or won&#8217;t. In his case, the niche is the mortgage fraud that left a frightening share of North Minneapolis&#8217; homes foreclosed:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>I don&#8217;t know what fascinates me so much about mortgage fraud. I&#8217;m not a victim and I&#8217;ve never had a mortgage before. Initially, I was just looking for some houses that might be &#8220;damaged goods&#8221; because of the fraud, looking for a bargain, but then I got totally into the topic when I saw a role that could be filled digging up info. People give me some kudos for digging up info, but I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s such a big deal. I&#8217;m just compulsive about it. Once I catch the scent, I just don&#8217;t quit, because I love the digging, the solving of a complicated mystery.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>In some other ways, ironically, John Hoff may represent the worst of citizen journalism, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/?p=712\">as I noted back in 2007<\/a>, when he wrote a piece in the U of M&#8217;s <em>Minnesota Daily&#8230;<\/em>:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Maybe it was all the wine my buddy salvaged from some trash containers after a high-class tasting party, and then served up at his own festive blow-out gathering of assorted radicals on Friday night, but I\u2019m really starting to have hope.<\/p>\n<p>Yes, I\u2019m starting to believe certain vague, visionary plans to throw our Republican friends a street party in St. Paul in 2008 are really, truly going to happen.<\/p>\n<p>Look away, you fun-loving Republicans, we\u2019re planning a big surprise party for little ol\u2019 you during your special convention in 2008&#8230;Will enough people come to the street demonstrations in 2008? Will it be a gas? <strong>Will  demonstrators have enough sense to focus on a target of opportunity  outside the main security perimeter, like a luxury hotel where delegates  will be staying with their laptops and revealing documents<\/strong>,  instead of going up against massive security surrounding the convention  center? It would be good to apply the hard-earned lessons of Seattle in  1999.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>&#8230;where he called for not only street violence, but the physical stalking of individual RNC delegates (which, to the best of my knowledge, never happened).<\/p>\n<p>(Note &#8211; I<span style=\"text-decoration: line-through;\">&#8216;m not <em>positive<\/em> that both stories involve the same John Hoff, although the writing styles in the blog and the <em>Daily <\/em>piece have most of the same written &#8220;Tells&#8221;.\u00a0 If it is <em>not <\/em>the same John Hoff, I&#8217;ll promptly correct the story. I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s going to be an issue, though<\/span> UPDATE:\u00a0 It&#8217;s\u00a0 him).<\/p>\n<p>There&#8217;s a little bit of both on display in the &#8220;landmark&#8221; lawsuit against Hoff, filed by a U of M employee, Jerry Moore.\u00a0 MPR&#8217;s Laura Yuen <a href=\"http:\/\/minnesota.publicradio.org\/display\/web\/2011\/03\/08\/minneapolis-blogger-civil-case-johnny-northside\/\">wrote as complete a coverage of the suit <\/a>as I&#8217;ve seen so far, and who has a pretty concise setup of the backstory:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>But what landed him in court is a blog post he wrote in June 2009  after Hoff learned that a former community leader was hired by the  University of Minnesota&#8217;s Urban Research and Outreach\/Engagement Center.  On his blog, Hoff accused that man, Jerry Moore, of being involved in a  high-profile mortgage fraud case, even though Moore was never charged.<\/p>\n<p>The university fired Moore the next day, according to the lawsuit.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Moore is suing Hoff for defamation.<\/p>\n<p>Now, under Minnesota law, to prove defamation one has to prove four things:<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li><strong>That party A said something about party B <\/strong> <strong>to one or more Party Cs&#8230;<\/strong>:\u00a0\u00a0 Where A=Hoff, B=Moore, and C=the public.\u00a0 Since Hoff publishes on a blog, that&#8217;s pretty much a given.<\/li>\n<li><strong>&#8230;that is untrue, and&#8230;<\/strong><\/li>\n<li><strong>&#8230;has a reasonable chance of damaging Party B&#8217;s livelihood or reputation in the community<\/strong>&#8230;:\u00a0 like, by getting him fired from his job<\/li>\n<li><strong>&#8230;and if Party B is a public figure, it can be proven that Party A acted with malice<\/strong>: As in &#8220;a jury will buy the idea that Party A lied about B, and knew he was lying, because his <em>goal <\/em>was to do damage to B&#8221;.\u00a0 Minnesota recognizes two classes of &#8220;public figures&#8221;, by the way; regular &#8220;public figures&#8221; &#8211; elected officials like Mark Dayton, or people who are just plain prominent, like Denny Hecker or Don Shelby or Joe Mauer, and &#8220;limited public figures&#8221;, people who may not necessarily be famous, but are public within a profession, a community group, a neighborhood, or some other subset of the general population; whatever kind of public figure one is, the burden of proving &#8220;malice&#8221; is the same.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p>The real contentions are &#8220;did Hoff lie&#8221;, and &#8211; since the court held that Moore is some form of public figure, did he lie maliciously.<\/p>\n<p>While the backstory to this case looks like a legal <a href=\"http:\/\/adventuresofjohnnynorthside.blogspot.com\/2011\/02\/jerry-moore-v-john-hoff-aka-johnny.html\">chinese<\/a> <a href=\"http:\/\/www.thedeets.com\/2011\/02\/06\/don-allen-poopgate-and-15000-from-minneapolis-schools\/\">fire <\/a>drill according to Hoff&#8217;s own description, Yuen notes that, win or lose, this case <em>might have <\/em>big implications for bloggers:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Legal experts say the case against John Hoff will be tough to prove. Now that the judge has ruled that Jerry Moore is essentially a public figure, Moore himself bears the burden of proving Hoff acted maliciously. That means he must show Hoff knew his allegations were false, or had reckless disregard for the truth.Hoff says his defense is the truth, and he stands by his blogging.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;I don&#8217;t want to get sued,&#8221; Hoff said. &#8220;Whatever I&#8217;m writing, I&#8217;m thinking, &#8216;It better be true. Better be careful.'&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Which is a useful tip for any blogger.<\/p>\n<p>But I strongly suspect (and be advised that I am no lawyer) that this suit is <em>not <\/em>the one that&#8217;s going to be the landmark case about community journalism and media freedom; Hoff merely needs to show that he told the truth &#8211; that Moore <em>was <\/em>involved in mortgage fraud &#8211; and not have done anything that jumps up and down and screams &#8220;I&#8217;m lying and I&#8217;m being malicious about it!&#8221; (like, say, having sent an email saying &#8220;I know I&#8217;ve got the wrong facts, and I don&#8217;t care, because I&#8217;m that angry at you!&#8221;, or something equally stupid [1]).<\/p>\n<p>Now &#8211; if it turns out Jerry Moore <em>was not involved in any sort of mortgage fraud<\/em>, and Hoff <em>was <\/em>dumb enough to leave evidence of malice, there&#8217;s <em>really <\/em>no landmark suit; bloggers should no more be able to lie without consequences about their subjects than the mainstream media.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Jerry Moore&#8217;s attorney did not return a phone call seeking comment for this story. In the suit, she argues that John Hoff is not protected by the First Amendment because he does not objectively report the news or have journalistic standards.<\/p>\n<p>That argument perplexes some experts on free speech.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>And if the first question isn&#8217;t &#8220;how did Moore hire such a delusional lawyer&#8221;, I&#8217;m a leftyblogger&#8217;s uncle.<\/p>\n<p>Still, there is a nasty side to these sorts of suits, if not this specific suit: bigger, better-funded people than Moore <em>can <\/em>use such suits to stifle criticism:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>A wide range of similar cases around the country is seeking to clarify free speech issues in a digital landscape&#8230;Fred Cate, a law professor at Indiana University who wrote a book on the Internet and the First Amendment, says he&#8217;s concerned about the case against the Minneapolis blogger for what he believes will be a chilling effect.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Defamation suits are really expensive,&#8221; he said. &#8220;If we&#8217;re going to start seeing more of these suits brought against bloggers, we&#8217;re almost naturally are going to see a timidity from bloggers because they don&#8217;t want to pay the costs of having to defend the suits, even if they ultimately win the suit in the long run.&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>&#8220;Johnny Northside&#8221;, naturally, is covered:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Blogger John Hoff, however, is not paying for legal representation. News of his defamation suit garnered the attention of a Harvard University group working to protect the rights of online media.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>The moral, of course, is tell the truth, and try to leave your more obstreporous emotions &#8211; say, malice &#8211; out of your blogging.<\/p>\n<p>UPDATE: Ed Kohler has links to <a href=\"http:\/\/www.thedeets.com\/2011\/03\/08\/additional-reporting-on-the-johnny-northside-trial\/\">a broad swathe of other reporting on the trial<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>UPDATE 2:\u00a0 For those who didn&#8217;t get it from my second example above, <a href=\"http:\/\/mplsmirror.com\/mpls\/index.php?option=com_content&amp;view=article&amp;id=777:moore-v-hoff-a-super-hero-in-court-pt-1&amp;catid=34:local-news&amp;Itemid=103\">not everyone is thrilled with John Hoff&#8217;s blogging<\/a>.\u00a0 No, <a href=\"http:\/\/misadventuresofjohnnynorthside.blogspot.com\/2010\/08\/nomi-crack-tivist-megan-goodmundson.html\">not at all<\/a>. Let&#8217;s just say there are two sides, at least, to this story.\u00a0 Also, the people of Grand Forks, about ten years ago, were <a href=\"http:\/\/www.seattleweekly.com\/2000-08-09\/news\/leaving-las-seattle.php\/\">un-thrilled with his term as a Green Party city councilman<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>UPDATE 3: And, naturally, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.thedeets.com\/2011\/03\/08\/was-paul-koenig-of-pamiko-properties-at-the-johnny-northside-trial\/\">the other side has another side<\/a>.\u00a0 And <a href=\"http:\/\/jordanhawkman.blogspot.com\/2011\/03\/cracktavists-up-to-necks-inwellyou-get.html\">so does that side<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Like I said &#8211; many sides to this story.\u00a0 Bottom line:\u00a0 keep it factual.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><!--more-->[1] Real life example.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In some ways, John &#8220;Northside Johnny&#8221; Hoff represents the upside of blogging.\u00a0 He&#8217;s found a niche, and he covers it in a way that conventional news reporters just can&#8217;t.\u00a0 Or won&#8217;t. 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