{"id":11999,"date":"2010-07-13T06:00:47","date_gmt":"2010-07-13T11:00:47","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/?p=11999"},"modified":"2014-12-12T14:51:35","modified_gmt":"2014-12-12T20:51:35","slug":"margin-of-error","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/?p=11999","title":{"rendered":"Margin Of Error"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>The Minnesota Majority reports (via <a href=\"http:\/\/www.foxnews.com\/politics\/2010\/07\/12\/felons-voting-illegally-franken-minnesota-study-finds\/\">Fox<\/a>) that Ramsey County is investigating felons voting in Saint Paul during the &#8217;08 elections:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>That&#8217;s the finding of an 18-month study conducted by Minnesota Majority, a conservative watchdog group, which found that at least 341 convicted felons in largely Democratic Minneapolis-St. Paul voted illegally in the 2008 Senate race between Franken, a Democrat, and his Republican opponent, then-incumbent Sen. Norm Coleman.<\/p>\n<p>The final recount vote in the race, determined six months after Election Day, showed Franken beat Coleman by 312 votes &#8212; fewer votes than the number of felons whose illegal ballots were counted, according to Minnesota Majority&#8217;s newly released study, which matched publicly available conviction lists with voting records&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>&#8230;&#8221;We aren&#8217;t trying to change the result of the last election. That legally can&#8217;t be done,&#8221; said Dan McGrath, Minnesota Majority&#8217;s executive director. &#8220;We are just trying to make sure the integrity of the next election isn&#8217;t compromised.&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Naturally, the MNGOP is excited about this.<\/p>\n<p>And, equally naturally, the DFL\/media spin machine is not.<\/p>\n<p>Writing at the MinnPost, Doug Grow &#8211; who was always <em>almost <\/em>as reliable a DFL shill as Lori Sturdevant &#8211; is on <a href=\"http:\/\/www.minnpost.com\/politicalagenda\/2010\/07\/12\/19631\/fraud_allegations_in_franken-coleman_senate_election_spur_investigation_--_but_also_overblown_statements#69-19631\">fact-check detail<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Now, some context:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>In the hyper-excited Fox News reports, Carruthers is quoted as praising the Minnesota Majority study. \u00a0\u201cWhat I said is that they did as well as they could do given the data they had, but much of their data is not good,\u201d Carruthers said.<\/li>\n<li>Of the 475 cases Minnesota Majority questioned, 270 examples were just not accurate, Carruthers said.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>There are reasons for so many inaccuracies, Carruthers said. For example, because of data privacy laws, Minnesota Majority was able only to get year of birth of many of the people they claimed had voted illegally. But, for the group to be sure it had the right individual, it would have needed the actual date of birth.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cIn a state with so many Johnsons,\u2019\u2019 said Carruthers, \u201cyou have many people with the same name born in the same year. You have to have date of birth, to be sure you have the right person.\u2019\u2019<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>I&#8217;m suspecting there aren&#8217;t <em>that <\/em>many Johnsons on the list. Just a hunch.<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<ul>\n<li>Additionally, Carruthers said, Minnesota Majority would not have had access to changes in sentencing. For example, a person who initially had been sentenced to 10 years of probation may have had that probation reduced during the period of the sentence. At that point, the individual\u2019s civil rights &#8211; including the right to vote &#8211; would have been restored.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Now, <em> that <\/em>might hold water.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Still, there were people who voted, or registered to vote, who were not eligible. That\u2019s a felony, and if found guilty, they could face five years in prison and a $10,000, though Carruthers said that would be unlikely.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Not as unlikely as &#8220;reform&#8221; &#8211; or as Doug Grow is to answer the question &#8220;how many felons are acceptable?&#8221; in an election.<\/p>\n<p>But I am so so so so glad that the likes of Grow are finally focusing on making sure media coverage is accurate. \u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/?s=tevlin\">Thank you, Doug Grow<\/a>. Thank you <a href=\"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/archives\/008031.html\">so very much<\/a>.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The Minnesota Majority reports (via Fox) that Ramsey County is investigating felons voting in Saint Paul during the &#8217;08 elections: That&#8217;s the finding of an 18-month study conducted by Minnesota Majority, a conservative watchdog group, which found that at least 341 convicted felons in largely Democratic Minneapolis-St. Paul voted illegally in the 2008 Senate race [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[326,1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-11999","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-big-alt-media","category-uncategorized"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/11999","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=11999"}],"version-history":[{"count":5,"href":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/11999\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":49822,"href":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/11999\/revisions\/49822"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=11999"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=11999"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.shotinthedark.info\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=11999"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}