Wanna talk about Russia v. Ukraine?
Russia’s gonna get its coub de grace – finally, again, for reals this time?
Ukrainians will be marching down the Leningradskiy Prospekt by Christmas?
Have at it.
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Ukraine claims advances of up to 50km towards Izyum, likely aiming to cut off the main Russian supply lines in Donbas. To give you an idea of how overextended Russia was, so far the Ukrainians mostly encountered Rosgvardia (national guard ie basically armed police), DPR (untrained conscripts) and Wagner mercenaries… All the available Russian units having been moved to defend the South.
Really clever move from Ukraine when you think about it: a slow, grinding offensive towards Kherson in the South which they publicized so as to drag all Russian units down there, and as a result up near Kharkiv, in 3 days they’ve taken about half as much land as the Russians had gained in about 2 months between early May and early July when they refocused their war efforts in the South (although no strategic objectives such as large cities just yet).
The military analysts I read made some interesting points overall regarding the bleak prospects for Russia, which include:
1/ lack of manpower. Outside of the Wagner, DPR and LNR troops, Russia has mostly two types of soldiers fighting in Ukraine: professionals which sign mostly 2 year contracts and volunteers, which usually sign 3-6m contracts, most of which were signed in the Spring / Summer so will be up for renewal now. With Russian army on the back foot, under-equipped, and the prospect of spending the winter camping in the Eastern European steppe, it’s likely a lot of those guys won’t be willing to extend their contracts…
2/ Running out of high grade weapons. First it was the long range precision Iksander missiles (all those missile strikes in large Ukrainian cities in the first few months of the war). Then they started pulling the old T64 tanks (from the 1960s era) out of storage and shipping them off to the frontlines. A few different Ukrainian videos have shown some of the Russian tanks don’t even have any protective reactive armor (meaning they have no defense vs anti tank missiles). Then they ran out of drones and had to get Iranian ones. And now, Russia are importing shells from NK.
3/ The geography of the front line, which forms an arc with Russia on the longer side of the front, and the fact there is no easy / fast way for Russia to move units from the North East quadrant (Izyum / Kharkiv / Severodonetsk) to the South Western area (Kherson).
4/ The casualty rates: although the stats from Ukraine army obviously overestimate the Russian casualty rates, Western intelligence services were talking of 80,000 Russian casualties before the offensive had even started, with likely around 15,000 dead in just 6 months. that’s about the same number as Soviet deaths in almost twenty years of war in Afghanistan…. Totally unsustainable.
It would be a stretch to say the Russian army is on its last legs, but clearly the momentum has shifted, and I doubt the over-extended Russians will be looking forward to the next 6-7 months of mud, ice and snow. The question I’m really asking myself now is, will Putin accept to give up some of his gains, or will he declare mobilization to try and hold on to them? The latter option would be largely unpopular: it’s one thing supporting a war effort from home, camping outdoors by in -4 degree weather while getting shelled is a different gravy.
Blinken, in Kyiv, unveils $2B in US military aid for Europe
Money’s gonna run out some time. Instead of finding a solution, all West is doing is stoking fire (with energy they are very short on) and poking the bear. The minute Ukranian soldiers set foot on Russian soil, Kiev will be turned into a sea of glass. But that is the endgame for the malthusians running the show, no? Even Ukranians who were all gung-ho and “to the last drop” now wish for a peace through concessions. But that is against Uke elite’s wishes – their pockets still have room for cash being handed out by the US.
Great Reset: Switzerland Threatens to Jail People Who Heat Their Homes Too Much in the Winter
Anyone thinks “man on the street” will give a shit how to spell Ukraine in a couple months?
Brace Yourself: Food Shortages Will Be a Reality in the West This Winter
That includes US of course because we will send all our stockpiles to feed Europe, natch,
Quick, Comrades Swiftee, Woolly and jdm to the comments to deny any gains! Bonus Roubles and social credit for claiming VDV Troops have taken Kyiv.
Not going to predict a quick win, but it is worth noting that Russian resources are hollowed out to where they’re seriously considering buying munitions from North Korea. If the obvious path to Ukraine would be taken–Vladivostok and the Trans-Siberian Railroad–partisans out there could make the situation in Ukraine the least of Russia’s problems. Imagine giant craters where the tracks used to be, more or less, shutting down east-west trade for the whole country for months.
Regarding “Kyiv will be a sea of glass once Ukrainian soldiers set foot on Russian soil”, does even Putina want to rule over that? No, he wants to enslave live Ukrainians and restore the boundaries of the old USSR. Plus, Ukraine has already hit a number of military targets in Russia. Putina knows full well that when he declared war, military targets in Russia were fair game.
Plus, apart from interrupting Russia’s supply chain, I don’t think any sane person in Ukraine wants to annex Russian territory and add more Russians to Ukraine. That’s a key part of why and how Russia’s been able to wage a proxy war there.
Long and short of it that Russia needs to come to grips with the fact that apart from nukes, they really are no longer a superpower or even a major power. The sooner they do, the sooner they can have a functioning society.
And of course, Putina delenda est!
I think that nobody knows nuthin’ 🙂
I have no dog in this fight. Both the Ukrainians and the Russians are known for their ability to suffer. Neither is known for their competent governance.
^ words escape me, I will not stoop to arguing with this point of view firmly buried behind a curtain of propaganda-driven ignorance and demonstrative lack of knowledge of history and understanding of the russian people. (ignore bike mode: on)
Has Peeve/paddy joined the Emery Collective?
JPA, perhaps try making a counter-argument and actually providing evidence. It’s been six months I’ve been waiting.
Let’s start with a basic question; Russia theoretically entered the war with tremendous superiority in all phases of their warmaking ability, a 5X advantage in troops, planes, armor, and more. Six months later, the Ukrainians have held them to about the same lines as existed in April.
Tell me why this doesn’t indicate that Russia is a paper tiger.
Where did Emery steal that post from?
foreign media isnt completely neutral but moreso than lesko brandon cheerleaders in the usa media after six months the map looks as the great pwers agreed it would look when lesko brandon greenlighted the minor incursion
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60506682
and thats after more than 10 billion dollars in western support down the rathole
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/blood-treasure-chaos-cost-russias-war-ukraine-2022-07-28/
now germany is running out of weapons to give ukrain
https://ukranews.com/en/news/879178-germany-running-out-of-weapons-to-transfer-to-ukraine-german-defense-ministry
and with russia turning off the gas to heat german homes this winter you can bet germany will be pushing hard for ukraine to surrender so sanctions end to get the heat back on
its perfetcly possible russias economy will collapse right along with ukraine, germany, poland, england and america. everybody could lose but if we do lose we did it to ourselves sorry jpa but ummp is right we have no dog in the fight and we are not the worlds playground monitor no matter how much you hate russians
remember russia taking donbass was agreed to it was a done deal the great powers divided up ukraine same as they divided up eastern europe after ww2 and divided up palestine in the forties its what they do you cant blame russia for taking what lesko brandon offered
might as well change your facebook page now its over
I find it very funny that a couple of months ago, Deep State Puppet Zelinsky and his wife, pulled a FAUXci, posing for pictures for Vogue. Then, last month, he gave their Parliament and himself a raise. No doubt, that’s where some our tax money went. My Ukrainian customers, tell me that what we’re hearing about Russia getting their asses kicked, is pure deep state fueled propaganda. They should know, because they have family there.
We seem to be having a Olympics of Imprudence.
Trump was an imprudent executive, but his instincts were good, right up to January 6, 2021.
Biden is imprudent and his instincts are bad, bad, bad. Look at the history of his four decades + in public life, for God’s sake.
The response to covid almost everywhere across the world was imprudent.
Putin is imprudent and he attempted to occupy and annex Ukraine.
World leaders (including Biden) imprudently commit to funding the corrupt Ukrainian regime, to the tune of billions of dollars, and not just in humanitarian aid, but with advanced weaponry. Why the Hell not just give them back the nukes and missiles we took from them 30 years ago? Ukraine is not starved for aerospace talent. They specialized in designing and building the weapons of the USSR, weapons used at all scales from small arms to ICBM’s. What are they going to do with the tech we have given them?
But we say that we won’t give Ukraine weapons it might use to attack Russian territory, because that would be escalatory.
What, exactly, is our aim? If, as Biden has said, it is regime change in Russia we are f*cked because we haven’t given Putin a way to climb down. If it is a negotiated peace, well, Zelensky isn’t going for it, and it’s not like we are using any levers we have to encourage him to make concessions that would lead to a cease fire.
The essence of prudence is careful deliberation, with an eye towards all possible outcomes and a bedrock goal of not taking any action that will make things worse than they already are, or are going to be.
Most people run their own lives, personally, socially, and economically, with a great deal of prudence. When did we begin to demand that our leaders act imprudently?
Buying arms from Norko? LMAO. Only deluded Neo-con mumpsumus’ believe that. If the Russians needed more arms, they could just buy some from Uke commanders, and pick them up in place.
https://www.independentsentinel.com/ukraine-commanders-sold-western-arms-to-syrian-criminals-photos/
I mean, it’s not like Pedo Joe, or his Tranny commanders are keeping tabs on anything:
“What happens to weapons sent to Ukraine? The US doesn’t really know”
By Katie Bo Lillis, Jeremy Herb
CNN
Updated 1:15 PM ET, Tue April 19, 2022
Maybe they could arrange delivery to the front, for a nominal surcharge:
“Ukraine criminals selling American missiles on dark web, pro-Russian media claims”
Daily Mirror
ByJack CloverNews Reporter
21:36, 4 Jun 2022
“A screenshot shows the anti-tank weapon being sold by a user in Kyiv – and it comes as Interpol, the cross-border police force, warned many of the weapons sent to Ukraine will eventually wind up in criminal hands in Europe.”
I’m glad someone is getting something out of the billions of worthless fiat dollars Pedo Joe and his Neo-con nitwit friends keep shelling out. I’m just wondering how Germany plans to survive the winter.
Boss, the media reports are not universally saying that Russia is getting their rear ends beaten. What they’re saying is that the Russians and Ukrainians are pretty much stalemated, though now we’re seeing some indications of a Ukrainian offensive, appearing more emphatic near Kharkiv than near Kherson.
And when you’ve got five times the infantry, 40 times the tanks, 20 times the artillery, and 10 times the aircraft, and get stalemated on terrain tailor-made for your style of war, you do need to reconsider whether you’re really a great power.
Regarding the claims about compensation and corruption, let’s see some sources, please. I’ve looked and have found no reputable sources saying that sort of thing.
Yo, Swiftee, take a look at your source. So when that cargo plane landed in Idlib, Syria in May, the guys on it were wearing winter gear? Really?
For reference, typical daytime temperatures in Idlib, Syria are sixty to 100 degrees, hardly even jacket weather for Ukrainians. Plus, if Ukrainians are indeed pirating large amounts of weapons to terrorists, are they going to be doing so in their military uniforms, as the article portrays?
Think, guys, think about what you’re seeing before you take a source at face value.
“Let’s start with a basic question; Russia theoretically entered the war with tremendous superiority in all phases of their warmaking ability, a 5X advantage in troops, planes, armor, and more. $70 billion later, the Ukrainians have held them to about the same lines as existed in April.”
FTFY Delenda
The Khazar con man’s war will continue as long as fresh stacks of US fiat currency keep arriving, and he has warm bodies to toss into the fire, and as long the price for US munitions holds up on the black market.
Just do a web search on “ukraine” and “corruption.” They have a cabinet level bureau whose sole task is combatting corruption. Needless to say, its director is routinely accused of corruption.
There are no black hats and white hats here. The relationship between Russia and Ukraine is very old and multi-dimensional.
You’re walking down the street one night and you hear harsh words, you look up and see a man slap a woman, who falls to her knees.
The proper thing to do is to separate the parties and restore piece. The stupid thing to do, which should be obvious after a moment’s reflection, is to assume that you understand everything you know about what is going on, and that the man is a bad guy and the woman is a good guy. You don’t know nearly enough to say that.
It pains me to write this, because I am afraid that I will be misunderstood.
In the 1920s and 1930s, the Soviet socialists treated the Ukranians with world historical cruelty. Unbelievable cruelty, directly comparable to the cruelty inflicted on subject populations by the Nazis.
When the Nazis invaded Eastern Europe in 1940, some people in countries like the Ukraine looked at the Nazis as allies against Stalin’s cruel Stalinist state. This did not happen only in Ukraine, it happened in Poland and Byelorus as well.
In the propaganda of the USSR, Ukraine welcomed the Nazi invaders. I don’t know if this is true or not, some Ukranians obviously did see Nazi German invaders as liberators. You also need to know that the Soviet Communist Party in the 1920s was over represented with secular Jews, and Ukraine was an Orthodox Christian nation with a large protestant minority.
bike.
I’m not surprised that you weren’t able to find the info on the pay raise. God forbid that we would have any lame stream media actually calling out the misuse of taxpayer’s money. But, here is an alter news article.
https://yournews.com/2022/08/24/2401067/ukrainian-parliament-voted-to-give-themselves-a-raise-in-july/
This is also an interesting article. I’ve suspected corruption with Zelensky and the Ukrainian apparatus since this whole thing started.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/how-corrupt-ukrainian-president-volodymyr-zelensky/5787367
” I’ve suspected corruption with Zelensky and the Ukrainian apparatus since this whole thing started”
🤯
UMMP, Neo-con boomers are trained seals. Dangle Russia over their tank and they will play Stars & Stripes Forever on their tiny, tin horns.
My respect for politicians is as low as anyone’s, but this quote (from here) is quite perceptive:
As Senator Richard Black (R) of Virginia has said, “The decision for war was made in Washington, the decision to attack was made in Russia. But once we made the decision to go to war, the decision to attack was inevitable.”
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dont want to face reality i guess
the great powers divided up ukrain
russia took exactly what lesko brandon gave him
internet posturing cant chase him out sanctions work both ways
the harder we flail the more likely well hurt ourselves as much as them
change your facebook colors its over
This is some real axis of evil level stuff. One crackpot dictator trying to invade a democratic neighbor is buying second rate weaponry from anothercrackpot dictator. Importing from a country such as North Korea is beyond shameless. It highlights the fact that this truly is democracy vs autocracy.
About that propaganda that war is going great for the ukes: since it is not possible for able men to leave Ukraine, they are enlisting, surrendering to russians, make their way to russia and then across the border into refugee camps and into the US. And guess where they all want to settle – California! Patriots ALL! Source? Firsthand knowledge. You won’t find THAT in western propaganda firehose stream.
And guess where they all want to settle – California!
Best buttseks in the West!
Importing from a country such as North Korea is beyond shameless.
Where do you nitwits get this twaddle?
Russia is purchasing millions of rockets and artillery shells from North Korea, US official says
👉🏻CNN
Ah, of course. And where does CNN get it’s info?
The New York Times first reported on the purchase
Lol…wait…we’re not done. Who is the US official spreading this bullshit?
“Defense Department press secretary Brig. Gen. Pat Ryder” Hahaha!
And, wait, remind me; who does, Pat work for?
Xer
LMAO! You fucking dolts crack me up.
Again, boss; I asked for reputable sources. The Internet is not called the “Autobahn of B***s***” for no reason. Really, a pro tip for y’all; if your sources are saying things that Russian Pravda and Tass aren’t even saying, and you’re not hearing out of Medvedev and the like, you’re in the fever swamp and need to get some real sources. Same thing for when you see winter coats on people supposedly in Syria.
Reality is that if the Ukrainians were fencing weapons, and Russia or others had incontrovertible evidence of the same, it would (a) show up as pictures with clearly non-Ukrainian scenes in the background and (b) would likely show up as Syrian or Israeli tanks (airplanes) with Javelin (Stinger) wounds, or even Ukrainian tanks or aircraft getting nailed by the same.
To believe that we’re seeing the fencing of these weapons without seeing them being used, or without Russia taking advantage of the same, is to believe that the FSB learned nothing from its KGB predecessors.
And really, that’s the core of “Ukrainian” corruption (and Russian)–it’s about the KGB/FSB/shadow intelligence services running things from the background. Of course the Ukrainian government has an office to deal with this, and I hope they’re successful.
The Russian military are notoriously inflexible. Units do nothing by their own initiative, they wait until they have orders. The speed of the Ukrainian advance in the Kharkiv region creates an utter breakdown in command and control. That in turn undermines morale. The only thing that may save the Russians in the very short term is the questionable ability of Ukrainian forces to push home the advantage without over extending themselves. But make no mistake, the speed of the Ukrainian advance has fatally undermined Putin’s strategy. The Russians have relied on recruiting a civil administration in the occupied areas both from local Russian sympathizers and Russian nationals drafted in from Russia. Those people are without doubt fleeing in panic and melting away very fast, not just in the immediately threatened locations, but across the occupied territories. Who would vote to join Russia now let alone help organize the referendums. This will sow panic across the Occupied Ukrainian lands and give impetus to those willing to join the resistance movement. It has put paid once and for all to the idea that a Russian victory is inevitable. And once that gains currency within the ranks of the Ukrainians, the ranks of the Russians and the civilian population, things can change quite quickly.
In Major Advance, Ukraine Drives Russians Out of Key Front-Line Cities
https://www.wsj.com/articles/in-major-advance-ukraine-drives-russians-out-of-key-eastern-city-11662807160
Thoughts and prayers for some of the Putin apologists on here. Stay strong and hope the mandarin lessons go well.
Putin is another stable genius. Few people can say they have achieved so much in a lifetime, let alone 7 months.
All I could add is that it has guaranteed that a highly militarized Ukraine, on his doorstep, will now be welcomed into the EU and NATO.
From the AP today:
“FRANKFURT, Germany (AP) — Europe is facing an energy crisis that is squeezing ordinary people’s finances and in just a few weeks could mushroom into rolling blackouts and factory shutdowns. Already, many economists say a recession is on the way.
The cause: Russia has choked off the supplies of cheap natural gas that the continent depended on for years to run factories, generate electricity and heat homes. That has pushed European governments into a desperate scramble for new supplies and for ways to blunt the impact as economic growth slows and household utility bills rise.”
As the winter arrives, Germans start freezing and businesses start to shut down, don’t be surprised to see shipments of US arms stop.
It’s all well and good to put US taxpayers into debt to prop up a corrupt régime in a show of support for degeneracy, but when EU Oligarchs start losing billions of Euros and dumpy hausfrau’s can’t afford schnitzel, the party is over.
10/10 Zelensky ends up entertaining beautiful people in a elegant Schloss in the Swiss Alps, the Russians set up a friendly government in Ukraine and the Donbas region is repatriated to the Russian Federation.
Working on my list of Putin’s achievements:
1. Strengthen and expand NATO.
2. Inspire Germany to rearm.
3. Lose European energy markets.
4. Reveal inadequacy of Russian military hardware.
5. Crush the morale of Russian troops.
6. Bankrupt the Russian population.
7. Isolate Russia from global institutions.
8. Diminish soft power network of Russian oligarchs in the West.
9. Encourage skilled Russians to emigrate.
10. Turn Russia into a helpless Chinese dependent.
11. Make US Intelligence appear omniscient.
12. Mass-slaughter innocent Ukrainian civilians – the friends and families of Russians. Destroy their homes, schools, churches and hospitals.
13. Inspire Ukraine’s national pride.
14. Ensure that Ukraine will never, ever want to be part of Russia, and that an angry armed Ukrainian population will hate Russians for generations.
15. Reinforce global image of Russia as incompetent, corrupt, dishonest, brutish and violent.
Truly a master strategist.
Putin’s style is to grab what he can, then stop and wait a while, then grab some more. Thing is with that style you need to move forwards not backwards.
I think their initial idea was to take the place lock, stock and barrel. I have no idea what the objectives are now given reality has got in their way.
AP
“European Union energy ministers gave the European Commission the task of pressing ahead with a cap on the revenues of non-gas power producers benefitting from soaring energy prices, while backing away from capping Russian gas prices.”
Hwy, hey! Stop that! You coal burning bastards must feel the pain of defending buttsecks and child trafficking! No, no; not you Putin…how much per cubic liter this week?
🤣
The lightly populated and less well armed Confederate States of America were kicking the shit out of the much more powerful USA, until their blockade started strangling the fledgling nation. In fact, scholars agree the Confederacy would have won if they’d have had just a little more war materials.
England and France were supplying both the USA and CSA with weapons and ammo. How might the outcome have changed if the US had enacted an embargo to punish them…even at the cost of critical materials to themselves, as the EU is doing today?
Discuss.
Trump is presented with the ultimate mic drop this winter.
Send a Christmas card to the German Chancellor, with a picture of the Trump family, resplendent, rosy and warm in front of a massive gas fireplace munching on turkey legs.
🍗🔥🔥🔥🔥
Special Surrendering Operation. Russia is not retreating, just attacking backwards.
Reports on Ukrainian corruption start to resurface
“Three days. The publication of a CBS report ‘Arming Ukraine’ lasted three days before it was taken down for quoting an NGO worker who said that only 30% of western aid was reaching the frontlines of Ukraine. According to the network, the NGO worker gave this assessment in late April, insisting that delivery had since improved. Now the documentary is being ‘updated’ to reflect this new information.”
Lmao….just wait until Congress demands an accounting of the billions that were sent to a skeezy mob boss, after Ukraine surrenders.
60-80% of Twitter accounts posting on Russia-Ukraine war are bots, 90% pro-Ukraine
“Between 60 and 80 percent of Twitter handles posting on the Russia-Ukraine war may be bot accounts, research by scholars from the University of Adelaide, Australia, has found.
Among other influences, these bot accounts may have been pushing people to flee their homes during the conflict between these two countries, the researchers added.
The researchers also found more “pro-Ukraine” accounts than “pro-Russia” accounts.”
Twitter is doing it’s part in the fight to save corruption, deviancy, and child trafficking.
I think your blog may have some bots, Berg!
Hahahahaha!
OK, Swiftee, tell me exactly how an NGO worker would have a good idea of what percentage of war materiel was actually reaching a front that was well over 2000km long at the time vs. being kept in reserve in a country a little smaller than Texas.
I’m going to suggest that maybe, just maybe, the article was taken down because for once, an editor read carefully and said “I’m not going to impugn an entire nation on the testimony of an anonymous person who, even if he is who he says he is, cannot possibly know what he claims to know.”
Reality is, Swiftee, that one of the few things you get right here is that if Russia captures significant Ukrainian leaders, they’re going to be even more brutal with them than they have been with the Azov Batallion, and hence those leaders are doing their darnedest to make sure that those weapons get to the front when they will be most useful, which is why Russia has lost, apparently, north of ten thousand armored vehicles and supply trucks.
And here are some brave Russian tankers running away from Ukrainians in Kharkiv Oblast, leaving a few of their number behind, and apparently stopped by a partisan tree.
https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1568675893131845634?cxt=HHwWhIC9nbyah8UrAAAA
Delenda: “CBS? Bahahaha! Fake news.”
Also Delenda: “Here, see? Just look what TwitR is saying…”
Blade: “Research from the University of Adelaide, Australia has found60-80% of Twitter accounts posting on Russia-Ukraine war are bots, 90% pro-Ukraine”
Delenda: “Putin Delenda Est!”
LMAO!
when we went after saddam war news came from the pentagon now its leaked by state department to favored liberal media why is that maybe because this isnt a professional military operation its a state department amateur hour operation
ambassador stevens died in benghazi because hillarys state department was running an off the books armsdealer operation on private email servers howd the terrorists know of his unscheduled secret visit to a consulate to hit it with so many men and so much firepower somebody had good intel and why did the military fail to send rescue because it wasnt their operation it was state department
feels just like ukraine no military so no serious support only state department and cia and private contractors running an off the books undeclared war with unlimited funding and who knows where its all going or whose pockets are being lined but the war will continue as long as the river of honey keeps flowing
public lost enthusasm for vietnam and iraq when americans got killed but hey no americans getting killed here so yea team go ukraine more money its all about the money
the lines on the map havent changed for months because the great powers divided up the territory last year and everything since hen has been telling a good story to keep the money spigot open doesnt make putin a good guy doesnt make the war right or just none of that matters follow the money and remember lesko brandon has spent his entire career lining his pockets through bag men like hunter so whos the bag man this time thats what i want to know
Bigman, Ukraine is known for 4 things; Caviar, Degeneracy, Child trafficking and Corruption.
Pedo Joe and his Neo-con supporters just put >$40 billion into the hands of a state run mob outfit…and we’ve got Patriots here saying “But, but they’ve changed; they would nebber steal nuffins now!”
It’s embarrassing af for level headed, thinking people who see the DC status quo for what it is, and who they are, but it’s gonna be worse for the Uke flag waving crew once the reality of what’s been going on comes to light. 10/10, after the Russian Federation finishes the job, one of the first things they’ll do is start releasing details of where all the money and war material actually went, and to whom.
Going to be a really expensive laugh for us.
Back before they had to prop up their feeble, senile pedophile in chief, even the stinking leftists were questioning aid to Ukraine:
U.S. Obscures Foreign Aid To Ukraine, But Here’s Where Some Goes
U.S. Aid To Ukraine Flows Though Opaque Groups
By Paul Blumenthal
Mar 7, 2014
“Since 1992, the U.S. has sent $3 billion to $5 billion in aid to Ukraine, with only cursory public disclosure. The U.S. State Department operates an online database, ForeignAssistance.gov, but names of foreign recipients are often left out, and entire sections are blank. Furthermore, the disclosure often comes long after the money has been distributed.
“It is incredibly hard to find this kind of information,” Nicole Valentinuzzi, communications manager for Publish What You Fund, an international organization promoting transparency for foreign aid.
The spending by U.S. government agencies often flows through for-profit companies, including PACT, Democracy International, and Chemonics International. The path of this money creates another layer obscuring the final source of U.S. foreign aid, as the companies distribute money to non-governmental organizations in Ukraine, or to other countries.
“Where’s the U.S. money going?” asked Publish What You Fund U.S. representative Sally Paxton. “If it goes to Chemonics, then who does it go to? And how do you hold the NGOs, whether they’re in the Ukraine or in the U.S., accountable if none of this chain of spending is ever reported?”
USAID referred Ukraine aid questions to the State Department, which didn’t respond. National Endowment for Democracy did not return a call.”
We can blame Pedo Joe’s handlers, and we should. But the decrepit Neo-con grifters in DC, and their witless supporters are just as much to blame.
We’ll be better off without all of them.
If you listen closely, you can hear the grinding of teeth among SiTD’s Russian sympathizers.
There are further gestures of goodwill happening in Lysychansk—Sievierodonetsk and apparently Donetsk airport as well. What next? Goodwill gestures in Melitopol? Mariupol?
Presumably the Russians stopped fighting out of respect for the Queen?
Yes, Swiftee, CBS in one case decided that an article impugning the morals of an entire nation based on the testimony of an anonymous source who couldn’t possibly have known what he was saying even if he was who he was….was fake news. Good for them.
And yes, Swiftee, in your lack of a mind, a 2014 article from a bush league source counts as authoritative about what’s going on in a country in 2022. For the rest of us, there is the basic logical principle of causality.
One other thought is that you missed what Ukraine is known for today; kicking the asses of the army of what used to be thought of as a world power. With the Ukrainian army still 40km away, Russia is apparently abandoning its positions in Svatove, Luhansk.
Slava Ukraini Putina delenda est!
May Vladimir Putin die a quick, merciless death, and may Ukraine, Russia, and Belarus alike start to breathe the sweet air of freedom.
Russian army is losing so badly that Putin is at risk of losing the support of SiTD’s Russian sympathizers.
Thanks to this latest counteroffensive, Russia is now ironically one of the biggest suppliers of arms to the Ukrainian Army.